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What should the presidential powers be in 2020? This poll is closed. |
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| UNLIMITED!!!! URKKI 2.0!!!!!! |
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3 | 23.08% |
| Sauli should be allowed to telecast to our homes whenever he pleases, but that should be the limit. |
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2 | 15.38% |
| He should be limited to writing mildly worded letters to HBL and other provincial newspapers. |
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2 | 15.38% |
| None. More power to Sanna & Katri & Maria & Li & Anna-Maja & Jenni! |
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2 | 15.38% |
| Unlimited, but every decision must be subject to a plebiscite. |
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0 | 0% |
| None, but the president's life must be video streamed 24 /7 for the duration of their term, with no censorship. |
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4 | 30.77% |
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Nurge posted:How the gently caress are persut rocketing up this fast. If they're in the government again I'm going to poo poo 500 bricks and throw them at Mestari. Making threats towards the future PM? Lowtax going to get a call from both Suopo and Soldiers of Odin.
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Apr 11, 2019 13:39
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lmao if we seriously get more perscocks
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Apr 11, 2019 14:37
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It's the same supporter base they had in 2015 and 2011. The split made things a little muddled, but now with an election campaign and everything, it has coalesced back together for them like T-1000. I am not convinced the sexual harassment or climate stuff has had as much of an impact; they've always been there and never really left. And it's the type of voter that is less likely to even think about the whole thing between elections, hence a surge in polling in the run up to an election. If anything with the split they ended up managing to have their cake and eat it too, by being both in government and in opposition in the same election term. The Greens and LA have tried this same maneuver before, but without as much success - it probably helps that Halla-PS essentially got kicked out rather than opportunistically quitting. Sipilä not re-negotiating a new coalition or triggering a new election after the split will come to haunt Cock, Kepu and the rest of us for many more years. It paralyzed the government's policy-making ability, which in turned helped tank their popularity, and allowed PS to fester in opposition for two years. At least they managed to ruin taxi regulation and education, cut taxes and move hundreds of millions of euros into different slush funds for their troubles. Sulphagnist fucked around with this message at 16:18 on Apr 11, 2019 |
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Apr 11, 2019 16:13
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The Blues positioned themselves as convenient scapegoats for TF. Halla-aho couldn't hope for a better situation, since they could always point at those outcasts and absolve themselves of all wrong-doing of all the decisions they made during this season. It probably didn't help that the elections were framed as a climate change elections. It's great and all that we care about the environment and all, but that diabetic green nazi Pentti Linkola is probably right in saying that you can't save the world thru democracy, because self-interest will always win over collective sacrifice.
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Apr 11, 2019 16:31
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Climate change elections are regular elections anyway: Left: We should tax and regulate large companies to Right: If we kill and eat all the poor we will Älämölö: If we kill and eat all the non-whites we will The People: Hmmmmmm I don't know... The Planet: Lol I take meteors straight to the face on the reg I don't give a flying gently caress if you kill yourselves DarkCrawler fucked around with this message at 16:59 on Apr 11, 2019 |
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Apr 11, 2019 16:56
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DarkCrawler posted:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7W33HRc1A6c
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Apr 11, 2019 17:42
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Has the election really been framed as a climate change election? Cause there really hasn't been that much talk about climate change, it's mainly been moaning about having to talk about climate change while not talking about climate change. And complaining about how you can't talk about immigration while talking about immigration.
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Apr 11, 2019 17:48
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No. 1 Callie Fan posted:that diabetic green nazi Pentti Linkola Pena is a fine gentleman 
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Apr 11, 2019 17:51
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Rappaport posted:Pena is a fine gentleman He at least is a popular figure to hang around, yes. But Pena is also a divisive thinker who doesn't shy away from taboo subjects, like suggesting that Nazies had a "couple of good ideas" which was a topic of scandal not long ago. But he also thought (or still thinks) Baader-Meinhof terrorists were basically heroes because they killed leaders of industry. Anything that fits in his social philosophy of pessimistic ecological thought. He's a drat good writer, but even "heroes" like Pena have lovely opinions that should be challenged.
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Apr 11, 2019 19:14
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No. 1 Callie Fan posted:He's a drat good writer, but even "heroes" like Pena have lovely opinions that should be challenged. You should read the correspondence he had on the opinion pages of Tiede-lehti (I think? Could be something similar) around the 00's and have your ideas of him cemented. He simply values a world where mankind is a species among the rest, which flies in the face of our hyper-capitalist civilization and as you delicately implied earlier makes him a mass murderer by association. If one values our dystopia, obviously he's a monster. And one can't turn back the clock, so he's reduced to being a voice in the wilderness, and here we are, I suppose.
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Apr 11, 2019 21:19
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Also Linkola correctly identified the Vihreä Liike as lovely urban pissbaby drunks who are a huge toll on natural resources all the way back in the what, 70s or 80s?
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Apr 11, 2019 21:38
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Rappaport posted:You should read the correspondence he had on the opinion pages of Tiede-lehti (I think? Could be something similar) around the 00's and have your ideas of him cemented. He simply values a world where mankind is a species among the rest, which flies in the face of our hyper-capitalist civilization and as you delicately implied earlier makes him a mass murderer by association. If one values our dystopia, obviously he's a monster. And one can't turn back the clock, so he's reduced to being a voice in the wilderness, and here we are, I suppose. Oh, I've read the biography of him, so I have a pretty good idea of his worldview and his personality. The kind who will objectively condone mass murder and cry to the tragedy of the Estonia car ferry sinking next. I don't think he really likes to, but if it means that the fate of mankind hangs on it, then so be it. I'm not sure we need to be that drastic, nature has its own way of dealing with us anyway.
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Apr 11, 2019 21:48
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I guess considering the historically unique situation humankind is facing, saying that Linkola is wrong for certain is just stupid because you cannot know that. It's impossible to tell what sociological effects any chosen path will trigger and the results would ripple greatly considering the fickle nature of people and coincidence playing a big role in political decisions and such. I like to lean on the "covert selective sterilisation on global scale" solution like in the British series Utopia (it's a good one much recommend).
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Apr 11, 2019 23:38
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SnowblindFatal posted:I guess considering the historically unique situation humankind is facing, saying that Linkola is wrong for certain is just stupid because you cannot know that. It's impossible to tell what sociological effects any chosen path will trigger and the results would ripple greatly considering the fickle nature of people and coincidence playing a big role in political decisions and such. Dunno, that seems both less effective and less ethical than creating a culture that enables increasing isolation into groups where reproduction is seen as an impossibility and instead the energy is redirected to finding and analyzing people especially poorly adjusted to society, with a focus on reproductive and relationship mistakes to further reinforce the effect that discourages the in-group individuals from reproducing. It would inevitably lead to shitposting, but such is the price we have to pay.
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Apr 11, 2019 23:53
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endlessmonotony posted:Dunno, that seems both less effective and less ethical than creating a culture that enables increasing isolation into groups where reproduction is seen as an impossibility and instead the energy is redirected to finding and analyzing people especially poorly adjusted to society, with a focus on reproductive and relationship mistakes to further reinforce the effect that discourages the in-group individuals from reproducing. Yeah well if some candidate actually had the platform you present here, I probably would've voted for that person. (if he was in the right party (piraattipuolue)) But I'm not sure if even the fringe parties have candidates like that.
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Apr 12, 2019 00:17
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SnowblindFatal posted:Yeah well if some candidate actually had the platform you present here, I probably would've voted for that person. (if he was in the right party (piraattipuolue)) No I was actually describing SA you doofus.
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Apr 12, 2019 00:25
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lol @ valtiovarainministeriö fiddling with the numbers to make SOTE look cheaper and then discussing about it via e-mailsquote:HS:n haastattelemien eduskunnan virkamiesten mukaan ministeriö pimitti maakunta- ja sote-uudistuksen ratkaisevilla hetkillä eduskunnalta olennaisia tietoja. Kertomatta jääneet tiedot olisivat voineet johtaa lainmuutoksiin, jotka olisivat estäneet uudistuksen toteutumisen aikataulussa.
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Apr 12, 2019 05:05
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not a bot posted:lol @ valtiovarainministeriö fiddling with the numbers to make SOTE look cheaper and then discussing about it via e-mails. don't you DARE doubt the ethics of Päivi Nerg!!! but really I don't know if it made sote look cheaper, it was a question of arranging if municipalities would still pay them or someone else so the overall result was +/-0, but it was a sign of a mess because they also weren't sure if there were other such items that would have to be moved back to kunnat
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Apr 12, 2019 05:12
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Reading Twitter it seems like yesterday's final YLE tentti was a complete shouting fest and a complete flop. Guess I'll have to watch that. Actually there's still today's tentti, but this time with the leaders of the youth organizations. That's gonna be a fun one I suppose.
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Apr 12, 2019 06:28
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Terve. Miksiköhän fooruminkäyttäjä liguria syrjitään?
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Apr 12, 2019 07:37
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Free Ligur
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Apr 12, 2019 07:38
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imo free hogge so that he can add more pictures to op
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Apr 12, 2019 07:42
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Darkest Auer posted:Free Ligur Free? Still not a good deal IMHO.
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Apr 12, 2019 08:09
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No. 1 Callie Fan posted:Reading Twitter it seems like yesterday's final YLE tentti was a complete shouting fest and a complete flop. Guess I'll have to watch that. Mestari owned everybody as usual, but I have to say Li Andersson also looked pretty good in comparison to the others.
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Apr 12, 2019 08:27
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Jerry Cotton posted:Free? Still not a good deal IMHO. Okay then: 50% off and you get to choose which half you take
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Apr 12, 2019 09:22
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I've thought for about ten years now (my bad for not coming around to this sooner) that we need to burn down valtiovarainministeriö, fire or forcibly retire everyone working there above a certain paygrade, and start over from scratch, but so that the expert organization for preparing the budget is actually a large and well-funded budgetary office in the Parliament. It's a mockery of parliamentarism that the most critical element of daily governance is controlled by a single ministry to such a degree that the Parliament basically has to take their calculations and opinions (opinions, not facts) as a priori when passing a budget. The liikkumavara Parliament has in the budget is less than one percent of the total. I realize that the US is not a great example but it's one I know well: Congress got fed up with fait accompli budget proposals by the White House in the 1970s and set up their own budget office to prepare and examine the budget, and these days the White House budget is mainly treated as an aspirational document or a bad joke, while Congress prepares and passes the actual budget (in theory anyway). Sulphagnist fucked around with this message at 09:36 on Apr 12, 2019 |
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Apr 12, 2019 09:32
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Sulphagnist posted:we need to burn down valtiovarainministeriö,
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Apr 12, 2019 10:02
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Junes Lokka wins a case in the lower courts on defamation against a journalist who commented in private that Junes is a "racist", "Nazi" and "Nazi clown". Civil society wins again. Now Junes can go on doing what he does best: Harassing his opponents and calling them names.
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Apr 12, 2019 11:27
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On sananvapaus, mutta on myös sananvastuu.
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Apr 12, 2019 11:35
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Käräjäoikeuden mukaan natsi, natsipelle ja rasisti ovat haukkumasanoja, joita käytetään tyypillisesti silloin, kun halutaan loukata jotakuta. Eli oikeus tulkitsee asian niin, että Vehkoon osoittamilla todisteilla, joilla pyritään esittämään Lokka natsiaatteen ja rasismin kannattajana, ei siis ole merkitystä tuomion arvioinnissa. lol Oulu court of 
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Apr 12, 2019 11:38
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Apr 12, 2019 11:46
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https://twitter.com/VarisVerkosto/status/1116623938140786689 That's Junes Lokka at the Awakening event in Turku, which was an event full of
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Apr 12, 2019 11:57
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https://twitter.com/PerttiJarla/status/1116647331359875073
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Apr 12, 2019 12:01
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In an unexpected(?) twist, Junes Lokka got a charge of agitation against minorities on the same day as his victory in courts. He's charged on the account of publishing videos on Youtube and Facebook where he disparages immigrants and Muslims.
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Apr 12, 2019 12:33
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How the gently caress does this even work? You're not allowed to call him a Nazi, even though he's being charged with inciting hatred against an ethnic group? If the intent is all that matters, does that mean that if I call someone a Kokoomus voter, that's defamation? Do we need a specific Lex Vehkoo to establish that the truth can't be defamatory? How seriously should we take a prosecutor's office that has been preparing a hate speech charge against someone, and simultaneously prosecuting a defamation case against someone else calling them a Nazi? Sulphagnist fucked around with this message at 12:37 on Apr 12, 2019 |
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Apr 12, 2019 12:35
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Rikoslain 24:9 posted:Kunnianloukkaus 2 momentti ei edellytä että esitetty tieto olisi tippaakaan valheellista, vain että se halventaa
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Apr 12, 2019 12:46
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Trogdos! posted:2 momentti ei edellytä että esitetty tieto olisi tippaakaan valheellista, vain että se halventaa that's dumb
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Apr 12, 2019 12:50
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Andrast posted:that's dumb Agreed
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Apr 12, 2019 12:53
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Vehkoo pyrki oikeudessa todistamaan Lokan rasistiksi, mutta käräjäoikeuden mukaan näyttö ei riittänyt. holy lol
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Apr 12, 2019 13:09
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Whatever dumbass precedent this ruling may set, I'm still gonna call a nazi a nazi. Goddamn this is stupid. How goddamned thin-skinned are these fuckers?
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Apr 12, 2019 13:16
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