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KozmoNaut
Apr 23, 2008

Happiness is a warm
Turbo Plasma Rifle


Last Chance posted:

now tons of people use OGG because I think that's what Spotify uses..

Yeah, but it's not a factor in most people's choice of streaming service, and most of their users have absolutely no idea.

So I dunno if it really counts. Everyone really should be using Opus now, anyway.

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Vanagoon
Jan 20, 2008


Best Dead Gay Forums
on the whole Internet!
On the topic of Music - this is awesome and you should watch it (I just got through and it's -amazing-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcbpRMZIQ8g

Last Chance
Dec 31, 2004

KozmoNaut posted:

Yeah, but it's not a factor in most people's choice of streaming service, and most of their users have absolutely no idea.

So I dunno if it really counts. Everyone really should be using Opus now, anyway.

Count towards what? did random person X in 1999 know the intricacies of the MP3 format they were downloading from Napster? did most people choose iTunes to download songs in 2004 because of the vast improvement AAC provided? the answer is no

that opus thing looks cool though, i had no idea it was a thing.

Mak0rz
Aug 2, 2008

😎🐗🚬

I remember I hit a Vorbis phase and painstakingly re-ripped my entire CD collection into OGG files back in like 2006.

Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001




Vanagoon posted:

No retro MP3 Player discussion is complete without a mention of RockBox:

https://www.rockbox.org/

I had a Sandisk Sansa C240 first, and then an iPod Nano 2g several years later with Rockbox installed on it.

I'm old fashioned and I like organizing my :filez: by folder, I do not and have never given a poo poo about tags so RockBox's ability to let you browse the filesystem was perfect for me.

I had an arches jukebox fm that I ran rockbox on. It was great listening to MP3’s and playing Tetris on the screen at the same time.

The Archos units were actually really nice for what they were at the time.

GI_Clutch
Aug 22, 2000

by Fluffdaddy
Dinosaur Gum
My first mp3 player was a Diamond Rio with a whopping 32MB of internal memory. I got free as part of Best Buy's Windows XP launch. I don't know if it was the player or the quality of those mp3s back then, but it felt like almost everything had a weird modulating hissing like sound.

doctorfrog
Mar 14, 2007

Great.

I still have my iRiver 128mb player from about 15 years ago. Oddball prism shape and ridiculously low capacity keep it from being in any regular use, but it was a constant companion in college and sounded great. Like anything else that runs on an AA battery, it’s still functional to this day. Another downside: uses a non standard USB connector for no good goddamn reason.

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
I think I might have posted about it in here, or maybe not. But my favorite was my Creative Zen Micro. It had an OLED screen and was super cool. I found it a couple years ago and I was eventually able to get it going but the screen is super dim.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
Use lossless you cowards.

Double Punctuation
Dec 30, 2009

Ships were made for sinking;
Whiskey made for drinking;
If we were made of cellophane
We'd all get stinking drunk much faster!
Vorbis is, I think, one step above MP3 in terms of quality, and maybe on par with AAC-LC. Seeing as AAC-LC is now free and has ubiquitous hardware decode support, and Opus blows everything else in software out of the water, I’d say Vorbis is getting to be obsolete.

CaptainSarcastic
Jul 6, 2013



The first and only mp3 player I bought was an RCA Lyra:



I still have the thing but it won't turn on anymore - I think the battery connector spring came loose. Some day I'll probably try taking it apart to see if I can resurrect it. The thing was built solid as hell and could have decent memory using an SD card. Ran on a single AA battery for hours and hours.

A FUCKIN CANARY!!
Nov 9, 2005


Being able to just carry extra batteries and swap them out is the thing I miss most about old tech. I get that modern devices are too high drain to use AAs, but there are standardized options like 18650s that every manufacturer seems to ignore.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


I legitimately still have a LG 65in Rear Projection TV - it's a beast. A month ago the power PCB blew its brains out. Lucky I still have my access to LG's GSFS+ Service backend so pulled up the manual and board schematics and now I'm awaiting some replacement components! Then finally marry it up to the Onkyo LaserDisc I recently purchased and watch pre-fuckery Star Wars in a time machine of a loungeroom with poo poo brown couches.

Bloody Hedgehog posted:

I'm sure your wife will be fine.

Ex-Wife, no need to turn her on anymore.

Humphreys has a new favorite as of 09:02 on Apr 12, 2019

barbecue at the folks
Jul 20, 2007


My first mp3 player was this beast of a machine:



I sank a good part of my first ever paycheck on that sorry thing back in 2002. It used CF cards which was really nice back in the day.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

HOLD ON GUYS I'M POSTING ABOUT INTERNET ROBOTS

Regular Nintendo posted:

I have one of these. Any idea if you can access files on it on windows 10?

I for sure had it working on 7 but I can't for the life of me remember what I did to make it work.

Carth Dookie
Jan 28, 2013

A FUCKIN CANARY!! posted:

Being able to just carry extra batteries and swap them out is the thing I miss most about old tech. I get that modern devices are too high drain to use AAs, but there are standardized options like 18650s that every manufacturer seems to ignore.

Why make a battery replaceable when you can sell a closed unit and make the customer buy a new upgraded product 2 years down the line when the charge retention had degraded. :capitalism:

Kanine
Aug 5, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

Humphreys posted:

This was my first which I have talked about before:

Pine D'Music SM-320:


Since seeing your post I decided to find where it was in storage and found it in that stage of rubber/plastic degredation that happens after nearly 20 years - this player is LPT, prior to USB:


Batteries corroded so opened it up to check damage:




Did some cleaning and managed to get it to boot but a few of the SMT buttons are screwy so it auto navigates to deleting a song :


Bench supply, trace repairs, button removal to isolate issues and here I am listening to Furious Angels for the first time since The Matrix Reloaded:


EDIT: This seems an effort post but thought it would be fun to see if I can get something I haven't turned on in a LONG time that is completely FUBAR to work as intended.

Now it's time to pull the NAND and chuck it into one of my Flashcat adaptors to dump and learn how to upload files to it (or find the original cable)

it would be cool to 3d print a new case for it

Chikimiki
May 14, 2009

Carth Dookie posted:

Why make a battery replaceable when you can sell a closed unit and make the customer buy a new upgraded product 2 years down the line when the charge retention had degraded. :capitalism:

Don't worry, software bloat will make sure the device is unusably slow even if you replace the battery :v:

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


Kanine posted:

it would be cool to 3d print a new case for it

I have 3 3D Printers...

But a bit of Iso alcohol and a bit of scrubbing got rid of the tacky stuff.

stevewm
May 10, 2005

Double Punctuation posted:

Vorbis is, I think, one step above MP3 in terms of quality, and maybe on par with AAC-LC. Seeing as AAC-LC is now free and has ubiquitous hardware decode support, and Opus blows everything else in software out of the water, I’d say Vorbis is getting to be obsolete.

Interestingly, Vorbis was mostly created because the inventors of MP3 (Fraunhofer Institute) started to get litigation happy as the MP3 format was taking off, and where threatening to charge licensing fees for every encoder and player.

Vorbis was meant to be a license and patent free alternative.

Aardvark Barber
Sep 7, 2007

Delivery in less than two minutes or your money back!


I started out with the 128MB RCA Lyra posted above.

I did not have an SD card.

The entire storage was filled up with the following:

Linkin Park - Hybrid Theory (full album)

D12- My Band

Weird Al - Yoda

That was it. I didn't change the songs on there for months and I listened to that thing every day on the bus to middle school.

Then I upgraded to the Creative Zen Vision M 30GB:



And I would put movies and ripped video let's plays from this very site on that thing.

LifeSunDeath
Jan 4, 2007

still gay rights and smoke weed every day
My first mp3 player was also a cd player. Was pretty great since the ipod was in gen 1 and only had 1gb of storage, this thing you get 600mb of mp3s on each disk and could just swap out cd's at any time. Only downside, it still would skip if you went running with the thing, I think it could buffer a full minute of music though.

later after having some ipods i got this mp3 player and it was dead simple and small and took miniSD cards.


e:
This was my first portable CD player, loved the clamping latch over the lid.

LifeSunDeath has a new favorite as of 16:29 on Apr 12, 2019

Flash Gordon Ramsay
Sep 28, 2004

Grimey Drawer
No wireless. Less space than a Nomad. Lame.

LifeSunDeath
Jan 4, 2007

still gay rights and smoke weed every day

Flash Gordon Ramsay posted:

No wireless. Less space than a Nomad. Lame.

bring back zune!

boar guy
Jan 25, 2007

LifeSunDeath posted:

bring back zune!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PcjPSGB-Y8

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

📈📊🍪😋



Pretty sure the gen 1 iPod had 5GB from the outset, fwiw.

Shifty Nipples
Apr 8, 2007

I had a 20Gb Archos jukebox thing that took like four AA batteries.

JnnyThndrs
May 29, 2001

HERE ARE THE FUCKING TOWELS

Shifty Nipples posted:

I had a 20Gb Archos jukebox thing that took like four AA batteries.

I have one of those unopened in the box with an original price tag on it of $500.

Lowen SoDium
Jun 5, 2003

Highen Fiber
Clapping Larry


I promise I am done with PA talk.

Trabant
Nov 26, 2011

All systems nominal.

JnnyThndrs posted:

I have one of those unopened in the box with an original price tag on it of $500.

$500 in 2002 is $707 in 2019. What a deal!

Meanwhile, you could build yourself an MP3 player from a Raspberry Pi, SD card, a touchscreen, and a 3D-printed enclosure for... less than $100? Way less, if you're willing to rummage through AliExpress. Granted, you'd need access to a 3D printer but even that's not insurmountable. Hell, I can 3D print at my local library.

I know that's the way tech goes and that actually making one is pointless given that you can get polished(ish) products for <$25. But the fact that parts and software are not just cheaper but so easily available for DIY is amazing.

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
Using a raspberry pi as an mp3 player seems like a waste of potential.

Pham Nuwen
Oct 30, 2010



Trabant posted:

$500 in 2002 is $707 in 2019. What a deal!

Meanwhile, you could build yourself an MP3 player from a Raspberry Pi, SD card, a touchscreen, and a 3D-printed enclosure for... less than $100? Way less, if you're willing to rummage through AliExpress. Granted, you'd need access to a 3D printer but even that's not insurmountable. Hell, I can 3D print at my local library.

I know that's the way tech goes and that actually making one is pointless given that you can get polished(ish) products for <$25. But the fact that parts and software are not just cheaper but so easily available for DIY is amazing.

Just get one of these for $30: https://www.amazon.com/Sandisk-8GB-Clip-Player-Black/dp/B00VXMY262

and a 32 GB SD card for $8: https://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Ultra-microSDXC-Memory-Adapter/dp/B073JWXGNT/

I've got one and it's actually a really good player. Good for plane flights or jogging, and cheap enough not to give a poo poo if it gets lost.

Trabant
Nov 26, 2011

All systems nominal.
Oh, I'm just saying it could be done with (relative) ease. I'm not about to try making one when I have... 5 or 6 dumb side projects all in various stages of progress, sitting around and silently mocking me. :negative:

stuffed crust punk
Oct 8, 2004

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

LifeSunDeath posted:

later after having some ipods i got this mp3 player and it was dead simple and small and took miniSD cards.


I have one of these but an older gen, iirc no sd slot but it does have fm radio, which is why I keep it in a drawer for snowstorms

Last Chance
Dec 31, 2004

LifeSunDeath posted:

My first mp3 player was also a cd player. Was pretty great since the ipod was in gen 1 and only had 1gb of storage, this thing you get 600mb of mp3s on each disk and could just swap out cd's at any time. Only downside, it still would skip if you went running with the thing, I think it could buffer a full minute of music though.

later after having some ipods i got this mp3 player and it was dead simple and small and took miniSD cards.


e:
This was my first portable CD player, loved the clamping latch over the lid.


Oh poo poo, I used to borrow my mom’s discman and that was the same model as this, this brought back a flood of memories

Last Chance
Dec 31, 2004

Cojawfee posted:

Using a raspberry pi as an mp3 player seems like a waste of potential.

Why? Aren’t raspberry pis good for cheap hobbyist projects? Seems like it’d work great for a new opus player :D

nishi koichi
Feb 16, 2007

everyone feels that way and gives up.
that's how they get away with it.

Aardvark Barber posted:

I started out with the 128MB RCA Lyra posted above.

I did not have an SD card.

The entire storage was filled up with the following:

Linkin Park - Hybrid Theory (full album)

D12- My Band

Weird Al - Yoda

That was it. I didn't change the songs on there for months and I listened to that thing every day on the bus to middle school.

Then I upgraded to the Creative Zen Vision M 30GB:



And I would put movies and ripped video let's plays from this very site on that thing.

the zen vision m was fantastic. i can't count how many times i dropped it on cement and still had it working immediately. and it wasn't solid state!

my first mp3 player was a silver optimus brand thing. i think that was radioshack's brand. the first song i ever played on there was the smiths' handsome devil, and now i use that song to test all my devices, kind of tradition at this point

an actual frog
Mar 1, 2007


HEH, HEH, HEH!

Jim Silly-Balls posted:

The Archos units were actually really nice for what they were at the time.
For the time they really were something else

:eyepop:

stuffed crust punk
Oct 8, 2004

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

an actual frog posted:

For the time they really were something else

:eyepop:

This looks like you'd stick it to a car with an objective market on it in gta

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JnnyThndrs
May 29, 2001

HERE ARE THE FUCKING TOWELS
I bought a used one once at a junkshop because I wanted the HD out of it to fix an old laptop. It worked OK, but holy crap was it huge.

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