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It's not that there is a new group of voters waiting to be mobilized. It is that in Christianity there is already a large group of people with a particular set of symbols they participate in already in thier brains. The right has misused those symbols for political ends for decades. To turn people who participate in them into something else. The left can do that too. And public figures are beginning to. That's not going to appear in data about groups. It's a narrative change. It's a change in the use of common symbols and language. It takes a while to do its thing. Bar Ran Dun fucked around with this message at 17:09 on Apr 12, 2019 |
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BrandorKP posted:It's not that there is a new group of voters ealing to be mobilized. It is that in Christianity there is already a large group of people with a particular set of symbols they participate in already in thier brains. The right has misused those symbols for political ends for decades. To turn people who participate in them into something else. I think you're right. Rev. Barber's Moral Mondays campaign seemed pretty successful, though that was admittedly largely mobilizing an existing alliance between minorities of faith and secular whites. I suppose if the pundit class is looking for a sea change in white Christians they could discount the impact of the Religious Left, but that ignores the immense importance of black churches and Hispanic Catholics in mobilizing those communities for the Democratic coalition. There's a reason the GOP keep trying to prevent "Souls to the Polls" programs and ban early voting on Sundays.
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sexpig by night posted:oh so you got no clue about what's going on, ok cool thanks for clearing things up. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_juries_in_the_United_States It's not complicated, she's standing on a principle that isn't supported by the law or precedent it also ignores that there are good and valid reasons that Grand Jury proceedings are secret. I can't decide if you are just incredibly ignorant or intentionally disingenuous.
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BrandorKP posted:It's not that there is a new group of voters ealing to be mobilized. It is that in Christianity there is already a large group of people with a particular set of symbols they participate in already in thier brains. The right has misused those symbols for political ends for decades. To turn people who participate in them into something else. The left needs to grow some balls and be willing to engage with everyone. Hillary's sin was leaving people out in the cold. There are some amazingly progressive religious folks out there.
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BlueBlazer posted:There are some amazingly progressive religious folks out there. The cold war made us forget all the people who believed that: Socialism is the fufillment of the Christian eschatology. It's becoming viable to assert that again.
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What we really need is a strong religious demagogue to give rebirth to forgotten Christian values and rally the masses
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Skex posted:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_juries_in_the_United_States Which must be why so many countries still use grand juries. Oh wait.
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The left ignores charismatic transformational leaders at its own peril.
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BlueBlazer posted:The left needs to grow some balls and be willing to engage with everyone. Hillary's sin was leaving people out in the cold. We need those voices now more than ever before the right wing twists the US into an authoritarian theocracy.
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BrandorKP posted:The left ignores charismatic transformational leaders at its own peril. we have an example of liberation theology as pope atm and I've got to say I'm not exactly thrilled
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I'd like to see Rev. William Barber get a higher profile. His speech at the 2016 Democratic Convention was really energetic and seemed to go over well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aw3PUghqlAA
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I think the biggest issue with a lot of Christian groups is that opposing abortions is treated as an issue of the highest importance. So people either use that single issue to determine how to vote, or at least heavily sway their vote to Republicans. I'm not sure how Dems can capture those individuals. I suspect they would need people to stop being single issue voters.
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BrandorKP posted:The cold war made us forget all the people who believed that: Socialism is the fufillment of the Christian eschatology. I mean, you'd have a real hard time asserting that Jesus and the early Christians weren't full blown communists. "Abandon your possessions and follow me" isn't exactly subtle.
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Megillah Gorilla posted:Which must be why so many countries still use grand juries. A lot of countries work on the Napoleonic system of justice as well though maybe we should switch to presumption of guilt like they use? The fact is that Grand Jury proceedings are secret by law, and they are required by the Constitution and it would require a constitutional amendment to change it which no one is going to do in order to save Chelsea "hanging out with the alt-right" Manning from jail. Also at this point she's standing on this "principle" in order to defend Assange and wikileaks which has proven itself to be little more than an appendage of the Russian intelligence community. Notice that it never leaks dirt on Putin? Manning may just be a useful idiot for the far right and the Russian intelligence agencies rather than a knowing participant supporting one of the most brutal and homophobic regimes on the planet, a regime that is currently supporting right wing movements world wide in order to undermine the very concept of Democracy, but she's still providing them support with her refusal to follow the law and work with the grand jury in the investigation. She is no friend to the left as long as she's carrying the water of the Fascists.
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This is so outrageously excessive E: for anyone who didn't watch, chicago police grab a 16 year old girl who is literally standing motionlessly next to a cop at her school and throw her down a staircase, kick, punch, stomp, stungun, and tase her at the bottom then press charges against her for daring to be assaulted by pigs Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 18:52 on Apr 12, 2019 |
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Herstory Begins Now posted:This is so outrageously excessive So you're not from Chicago, I take it. To the CPD that's holding back. I mean they didn't even shoot her.
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Skex posted:A lot of countries work on the Napoleonic system of justice as well though maybe we should switch to presumption of guilt like they use? Dude, other countries being stupid is no excuse for your country to be stupid.
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Megillah Gorilla posted:Dude, other countries being stupid is no excuse for your country to be stupid. Presumption of guilt is incredibly stupid and should be classified as a human rights abuse. How even in the gently caress can you prove a negative? That doesn't even make sense. In conclusion, depopulate the planet writ large.
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Megillah Gorilla posted:Dude, other countries being stupid is no excuse for your country to be stupid. Says the guy who literally tried to make his point by pointing out that other countries do things differently. The fact remains that under current law all Grand Jury proceedings are secret, it's done for a number of reasons not the least of which is to avoid prejudicing the potential jury pools against a defendant or causing them other reputation damage for things that they aren't charged for. It's the standard that everyone is held to there for she is asking for special treatment for "reasons" she knew the consequences for her decision so she chose to be in jail and she gets to live with that consequence.
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always nice to watch goons trip over themselves to try and be the first to lick the boot heel.
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I think there's a difference between a private citizen and people in the employ of the United States.
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FoolyCharged posted:I mean, you'd have a real hard time asserting that Jesus and the early Christians weren't full blown communists. "Abandon your possessions and follow me" isn't exactly subtle. In Acts: "And all those who believed were together and everything they had was communal." The mistake I think was made was conflating an instance of authoritarianism as socialism / communism. Seeing Stalin's Soviet Union pushed many theologians who were socialists into being realist cold warriors. That's not our context anymore and authoritarianism (whoch is still the enemy) can insert itself into any type of goverment.
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Skex posted:Says the guy who literally tried to make his point by pointing out that other countries do things differently. No, my point was that other countries do better. In a race to the bottom, no one wins. quote:It's the standard that everyone is held to there for she is asking for special treatment for "reasons" she knew the consequences for her decision so she chose to be in jail and she gets to live with that consequence. They can put her in the Ross Parks commemorative jail cell.
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BrandorKP posted:The left ignores charismatic transformational leaders at its own peril. But do they even exist? I see NONE worldwide. How can anyone vote for something that DOES NOT EXIST?
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Ubiquitous_ posted:We need those voices now more than ever before the right wing twists the US into an authoritarian theocracy. I feel like the argument could be made that parts of the US are ran as theocracies/pseud-theocracies given how much some judges/politicians cling to "Christian values" etc.
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BrandorKP posted:In Acts: The faith has nothing particuarly interesting to say- Jesus didn't say "take your boss's poo poo and take power for yourself" he said "don't give a poo poo about this world, just obey your master, the ultimate Hitler(God)" It is a reactionary element.
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Mekchu posted:I feel like the argument could be made that parts of the US are ran as theocracies/pseud-theocracies given how much some judges/politicians cling to "Christian values" etc. Oh, absolutely. I'm more speaking towards federal laws and such like overturning Roe v. Wade or Obergefell.
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Bringing together the threads of police brutality, school ‘resource’ officers, and Florida https://twitter.com/talbertswan/status/1116820866359353344?s=21 https://www.news.meredithlmg.com/pa...167b358cb6.html
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LordSloth posted:Bringing together the threads of police brutality, school ‘resource’ officers, and Florida Jesus. So does this mean it would be okay if we hired MMA fighters to body slam the officer every day in perpituity?
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Why not just hire police officers who know how to throw people with proper technique and have him thrown constantly on concrete? https://www.instagram.com/p/BwMncMXgC9p/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1gb8omw97al6y That or laugh wheb his back gives out due to sloppy technique.
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Let me see them introduce and pass these same bills when Democrats hold both houses.
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Baronash posted:Let me see them introduce and pass these same bills when Democrats hold both houses. What is the reason for this kind of cynical soothsaying? We've all read this sentiment a billion times in a billion threads. I could hear it 1000x a day on Fox News. Why do you feel the need to share it here, again?
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Yeah advocating for this isn't a good look, buddy. Somebody fucked around with this message at 20:18 on Apr 14, 2019 |
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friendly 2 da void posted:What is the reason for this kind of cynical soothsaying? We've all read this sentiment a billion times in a billion threads. I could hear it 1000x a day on Fox News. Why do you feel the need to share it here, again? Baronash: I want these good things to happen, but fear that Democrats are just pretending like the often do Fox: we oppose all those good things you: both sides are the same
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sticksy posted:Yeah advocating for this isn't a good look, buddy. Oh well, not gonna hide how I feel.  Republican politicians deserve every terrible thing that happens to them, up to and including being drug through the streets.
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https://twitter.com/newsminer/status/1116816277937455104?s=21 Here’s one Republican managing to have the correct reaction to an incident. ”Rep. Tammie Wilson, R-North Pole” posted:“If you ever feel threatened for your safety, whatever force you think you have to give, I will stand behind you,” she said at the news conference. And no, it’s not THAT North Pole.
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Ornedan posted:Baronash: I want these good things to happen, but fear that Democrats are just pretending like the often do Where did you get this??? LordSloth posted:https://twitter.com/newsminer/status/1116816277937455104?s=21 The article says the boys were protesting a trans student using the bathroom matching their gender, but regardless of whether that's actually true the girl in the incident is totally uninvolved with that. That school's admins are morons. Blue Footed Booby fucked around with this message at 21:56 on Apr 14, 2019 |
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LordSloth posted:https://twitter.com/newsminer/status/1116816277937455104?s=21 Tammie Wilson is a terrible person - when she's more sane than you it's time to fire the whole drat school administration. FNSB schools have gone to complete poo poo over the past 10 years (and Alaska in general). E: Her suspension is now an expulsion. https://twitter.com/savannahmoisan/status/1116817585389989890 Stickman fucked around with this message at 22:06 on Apr 14, 2019 |
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