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TheGreatEvilKing posted:I was expecting Cersei to stay in power by ordering Qyburn to raise her a whole undead army for some reason. Given the way he got all obsessed with the severed arm of that wight Jon and co showed off it would not surprise me if he figured out a way to co-opt control of the army of the dead from the Night King or at least found a way to make wights of his own and Cersei goes "I want a million of that please--oh poo poo they're eating everyone Qyburn what have you done!" Because Cersei is that dumb and self-destructive.
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Yup, definitely overboard. The Baron has -some- nuance, in that even he is not for just wiping out everyone on Arrakis, unlike his dunderhead nephew, if only because he's not one to waste a workorce. And as fond of brutality as he is, even he is not above trying for a subtler approach, setting Feyd up to be a savior figure to rule based on more than just jackboots. But it does feel like Herbert was a bit insecure that he made the heroes a bit too cynical (showing how the Atreides use propaganda like fiends, have plans contemplating the elimination of whole segments of their population if things go south and are cocnerned that may not be possible in Arrakis, etc), he doubled down on making the Baron a pile of vices. Which is amusing because in the 1980s movie even -that- wasn't enough and they had to go with heart plugs and grease baths and carefully nurtured pustules.
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Before I even got into the dune franchise I saw this piece like 14 years ago which basically became my mental depiction of the baron through the books. Any depictions of him as a regular but puffy man never worked.
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Was reading an article from a TV critic who was saying this about ASoIaFquote:The level of backstory and information there is about each and every aspect of Martin’s world is really only rivaled by Tolkien’s Middle-earth and the Star Wars universe. ( I don't know, I'd put Malazan and WOT up there.
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I want to re-read WOT but woke adult me is going to lose it at all the "yell at your wife to show that you love her" stuff. Not to mention the hundreds of pages dedicated to women spanking one another. And Mat getting raped.
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Katt posted:I want to re-read WOT but woke adult me is going to lose it at all the "yell at your wife to show that you love her" stuff. Not to mention the hundreds of pages dedicated to women spanking one another. And Mat getting raped. I bought all the Wheel of Time books cheap and used with the intent of reading them just to say I did it, but the opening pages of Book 0 for the series is a 4 page description of where some dude’s armour came from and nothing about the guy wearing it, and I cringed so hard I closed the book and put it back on the shelf. It’s been like two years since I touched it last, so I’m still working up the courage to dive back into it.
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I'm very excited for this exchange: Jon: I told you I knew where to stick it Sam: Jon: what now
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nine-gear crow posted:I bought all the Wheel of Time books cheap and used with the intent of reading them just to say I did it, but the opening pages of Book 0 for the series is a 4 page description of where some dude’s armour came from and nothing about the guy wearing it, and I cringed so hard I closed the book and put it back on the shelf. Audiobook at work/travel? The books also have a ton of "women amirite?" Ma fath-er alweys usad ta say that a womenz is like an.... uhhhh *looks around* stove! sometimes they cook yer food for ya all right and proper and sometimes they burn your house down Rinse and repeat like 400 times. I remember thinking "Oh well people just had different views when this was originally written back in 196......1990? What?
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Katt posted:Before I even got into the dune franchise I saw this piece like 14 years ago which basically became my mental depiction of the baron through the books. Oh my god, that is amazing. But wait until you read the prequel books and discover the epic twist that the Baron used to be a SUPER BUFF gym rat and only got fat because he was infected with a tailored germ by a bene Gesserit, out of vengeance for him raping her . It completely casts the character in a new...light...? And now I'm scared of googling Yezzan zo Qagaz, or whoever was the bizarre non-character that bought Tyrion during his slavery holiday.
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why the gently caress are you reading Dune sequel and prequel books? Like at best there's about 1/4th of a good read in the direct sequel and the rest is a huge trashfire.
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nine-gear crow posted:I bought all the Wheel of Time books cheap and used with the intent of reading them just to say I did it, but the opening pages of Book 0 for the series is a 4 page description of where some dude’s armour came from and nothing about the guy wearing it, and I cringed so hard I closed the book and put it back on the shelf. The first book is really good in my opinion. They go downhill from there, and somewhere around book 5, there is a cliff. Book 9 I believe it is, in particular, is really bad, nothing happens, then like book 10 is set BEFORE book 9. Book 0 was wholly unnecessary. Ultimately the promise of the books is not fulfilled, and they simply go on for way too long. I think there's a certain truism in people maintaining the same characterization over their life. People only change so much. But that doesn't mean people want to read "the dice rattled in his head" or "smoothed her skirts" over and over and over and over. Also, Sanderson wrote the last 3 books and he did a terrible job (because he's a terrible writer).
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Sephyr posted:Oh my god, that is amazing. Yeah I read nearly all the prequels and I thought they were alright in a sort of young-adult villain of the week kind of way. If I recall she raped him first to get a child and it didn't work so she came back to rape him a second time but he turned the tables and raped her back and she got revenge by infecting him with some corpulence germ. It also has the part where Glossu Rabban tries to get along with his father but he ends up casually destroying the economy of the whole planet for giggles. Like his dad will go "ah the mating song of the space-manatees" Then the distant sound of machinegun fire and chainsaws, and he will run out and see his son single handedly butchering like a third of the planets female space-manatees. The survivors are now so terrified of their ancestral mating spot that they go extinct or some crap and the whole planets economy built around space-manatee furs collapses. I think Rabban does this like three times before his father curses him out and Rabban strangles him to death and goes to live with his uncle. Katt fucked around with this message at 20:30 on Apr 12, 2019 |
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pseudanonymous posted:The first book is really good in my opinion. They go downhill from there, and somewhere around book 5, there is a cliff. Book 9 I believe it is, in particular, is really bad, nothing happens, then like book 10 is set BEFORE book 9. Book 0 was wholly unnecessary. Ultimately the promise of the books is not fulfilled, and they simply go on for way too long. I think there's a certain truism in people maintaining the same characterization over their life. People only change so much. But that doesn't mean people want to read "the dice rattled in his head" or "smoothed her skirts" over and over and over and over. Also, Sanderson wrote the last 3 books and he did a terrible job (because he's a terrible writer). Which is kind of weird, because according to Sanderson he said he used to get hate mail from people quoting stuff they claimed he wrote which was awful only for it to have been one of the segments Jordan wrote before he died and when they cited what they claimed were superior Jordan-written passages they were actually quoting stuff Sanderson had written. I dunno, this sub has a weird culty bug up its rear end about Sanderson but he’s not that bad. Although he does seem to be convinced that if you really pay attention to GRRM’s writing Westeros has no moon, which is the dumbest thing I’ve heard since “Varys is a merman”, so ya know...
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I thought Sanderson was alright and I didn't notice the transition too much other than a strong reduction in rants about women.
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Intel&Sebastian posted:why the gently caress are you reading Dune sequel and prequel books? Hey, I once was a hopeful human being. Those books helped kill it way back then. Besides, nowaday you don't even have to wait for the author's kids to churn our derivative, unasked-for drivel of the main work, as 'Fire and Blood' proves!
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nine-gear crow posted:Which is kind of weird, because according to Sanderson he said he used to get hate mail from people quoting stuff they claimed he wrote which was awful only for it to have been one of the segments Jordan wrote before he died and when they cited what they claimed were superior Jordan-written passages they were actually quoting stuff Sanderson had written. There's a chapter in the last book that's longer than most books. I never read anything else he wrote because he did such a poo poo job of WoT to be honest. Also just because Sanderson claims that poo poo about who wrote what I don't necessarily believe him. It's very self-serving to say "oh that stuff that doesn't sound like it belongs in the books you've been reading for 20 years was written by the dead guy who wrote it and can't defend himself, not the new guy who is now writing stuff" I don't see why Westeros has to have a moon. There is a thing with the Dothraki about the moon being blown up but.. yeah "Qartheen believe that dragons were hatched from a second moon that came too close to the sun and cracked, while Dothraki believe that the moon is a goddess, wife to the sun." It seems like there's a moo. So in this instance, he's just wrong.
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So what the gently caress does he think "moon boy" is named after?
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And moon tea. And the mountains of the moon.
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Intel&Sebastian posted:So what the gently caress does he think "moon boy" is named after? Maybe a "Moon" is just some sort of unimpressive herb? Wasn't Dannys son supposed to gently caress the moon or something?
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Intel&Sebastian posted:So what the gently caress does he think "moon boy" is named after? as well as the Moon Door that Littlefinger pushes Lysa out through to her death
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Kuiperdolin posted:And moon tea. And the moon door, and the fact that House Arryn’s logo has a giant loving crescent moon on it. I have no idea where he gets it from but I’ve been listening to the Writing Excuses podcast on and off for years now and this has been a consistent thing that Sanderson has cited as “great worldbuilding” is the idea that Westeros has no moon, and it’s just a background element of the world that’s never touched upon when... he’s just wrong. Provably wrong.
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nine-gear crow posted:I dunno, this sub has a weird culty bug up its rear end about Sanderson but he’s not that bad. Although he does seem to be convinced that if you really pay attention to GRRM’s writing Westeros has no moon, which is the dumbest thing I’ve heard since “Varys is a merman”, so ya know... You might be misrepresenting this thread. I think I'm like the one person here who doesn't like Sanderson. IIRC Most people seem to think he would be a good replacement.
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less laughter posted:as well as the Moon Door that Littlefinger pushes Lysa out through to her death It's slang for Vagina, has nothing to do with what we call the moon. Who puts a "moon" door in the floor?
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Having read nothing by sanderson and drawing my conclusion from nothing but opinions in this thread, I feel he's okay but not great. That's the thread's opinion, therefore.
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kcroy posted:You might be misrepresenting this thread. I think I'm like the one person here who doesn't like Sanderson. IIRC Most people seem to think he would be a good replacement. No, I think he's poo poo and I think the majority of the none-Sanderon thread think he's poo poo. Kaladin the paladin.
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pseudanonymous posted:No, I think he's poo poo and I think the majority of the none-Sanderon thread think he's poo poo. haha ok, just saw your post. I stand corrected.
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Katt posted:Wasn't Dannys son supposed to gently caress the moon or something? no he was the Stallion Who Mounts the World
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kcroy posted:Who puts a "moon" door in the floor? it's not in the floor
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Dash Rendar posted:who the gently caress is sanderson He's a mormon who shits out fantasy books non-stop that are pretty uniformly terrible.
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less laughter posted:no he was the Stallion Who Mounts the World Well that makes no sense. Where does he keep his feet? Like if he's loving the moon he can stand on the earth but if there's no moon how can he gently caress the earth? Does he just hang on it limply like a sailor on a barrel at sea? How does he get any proper leverage into it?
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kcroy posted:You might be misrepresenting this thread. I think I'm like the one person here who doesn't like Sanderson. IIRC Most people seem to think he would be a good replacement. Not in this thread, but there’s a whole other thread in TBB dedicated to ripping his bowels out. Though the dude leading the charge got perma’d a month ago, so who knows if it’s calmed down any. Maybe not. Dash Rendar posted:who the gently caress is sanderson Brandon Sanderson, a dude who shits out like 5 books a year and is also super Mormon without being a flaming rear end in a top hat like most Mormon AuthorsTM tend to be (see: Card, Orson Scott; Correia, Larry, etc.). He shot to fame by being hand picked by Robot Jordan to finish the Wheel of Time books after it was clear Jords wasn’t going to live to see it through himself. He co-hosts a weekly writing podcast called Writing Excuses and also thinks Westeros has no moon. Now you know who the gently caress Brandon Sanderson is.
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nine-gear crow posted:super Mormon without being a flaming rear end in a top hat like most Mormon AuthorsTM tend to be (see: Card, Orson Scott; Correia, Larry, etc.) Did you do Orson twice? Admittedly he is a surprisingly big rear end in a top hat. I read all the ender stuff out of sheer stubbornness and by god. Jeez. Like he defines the totality of the Muslim world as "once they learned to stop doing terrorism the middle east prospered. Ops now they're doing terrorism again. RIP"
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The irony is that we are all, in a sense, mounting the world.
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YaketySass posted:The irony is that we are all, in a sense, mounting the world. the world is mounting us all tbh
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We did not know if we were in the world or the world was in us.
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Katt posted:Did you do Orson twice? The hilarious part is how alike those two are, despite Correia being a hardcore right wing libertarian who spends his free time fellating the military, and Card being a centrist Democrat most of his adult life until he went off the loving deep end and signed up with Gingrich because he just hates gay people that much (enough that he wrote and published a Hamlet fanfic all about how Hamlet's dad was a pedophile because all gay men are) , and Obama being elected broke his tiny little brain and made him write a whole screed: http://www.ornery.org/essays/warwatch/2013-05-09-1.html posted:By Orson Scott Card May 9, 2013
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