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| Joe "the liberal who fights busing" Biden |
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27 | 1.40% |
| Bernie "please don't die" Sanders |
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1017 | 52.69% |
| Cory "charter schools" Booker |
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12 | 0.62% |
| Kirsten "wall street" Gillibrand |
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24 | 1.24% |
| Kamala "truancy queen" Harris |
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59 | 3.06% |
| Julian "who?" Castro |
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7 | 0.36% |
| Tulsi "gay panic" Gabbard |
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25 | 1.30% |
| Michael "crimes crimes crimes" Avenatti |
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22 | 1.14% |
| Sherrod "discount bernie" Brown |
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21 | 1.09% |
| Amy "horrible boss" Klobuchar |
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12 | 0.62% |
| Tammy "stands for america" Duckworth |
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48 | 2.49% |
| Beto "whataburger" O'Rourke |
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32 | 1.66% |
| Elizabeth "instagram beer" Warren |
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284 | 14.72% |
| Tom "impeach please" Steyer |
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4 | 0.21% |
| Michael "soda is the devil" Bloomberg |
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9 | 0.47% |
| Joseph Stalin |
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287 | 14.87% |
| Howard "coffee republican" Schultz |
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10 | 0.52% |
Jay "nobody cares about climate change  " Inslee |
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13 | 0.67% |
| Pete "gently caress the homeless" Butt Man |
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17 | 0.88% |
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Pulcinella di Bund posted:I like how you just want to be the Rational Adult in the room and can’t name any substantial differences between them. Judges The Fed Voting Immigration Foreign Policy Environmental Policy Energy Policy Civil Rights Trade Wars Transgender Ban Executive Orders Attempts To Kill The ACA LGTBQ Issues Nepotism Emoluments Mush Level Of The Brain Staffing Of The Executive DACA Open Criminality Net Neutrality Legislative Agenda Biden isn't a good candidate, and many of his views on the above issues are also not good. In both cases he is better than Donny, and any pretense otherwise is dumb. Edit: Now if you want to argue that Biden is not good enough that in 2024 Republicans regroup and we all die from Global Warming, cool. I don't agree, but that's at least an argument that isn't based in foolish equivalence between two unequal things. This is especially not true as you go up the rankings of Democratic candidates toward Bernie, each of them further away from Donny on the issues. The resulting conclusion isn't anyone other than Bernie is the same as Donny's second term. Small children can see that isn't true. Gyges fucked around with this message at 02:58 on Apr 14, 2019 |
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Gyges posted:Judges on not one of those issues is Joe Biden better than Donald , and I will stay home if he gets the nomination. they fooled us in 2016 to “vote for the lesser of two evils “ and here we are
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Apr 14, 2019 03:02
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Pulcinella di Bund posted:on not one of those issues is Joe Biden better than Donald you might hate biden this is really really wrong lol
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Apr 14, 2019 03:17
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Pulcinella di Bund posted:on not one of those issues is Joe Biden better than Donald , and I will stay home if he gets the nomination. they fooled us in 2016 to “vote for the lesser of two evils “ and here we are We're here because not enough people voted for the lesser of two evils. More than voted for the greater of two evils, but still not enough.
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Apr 14, 2019 03:19
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Typo posted:you might hate biden this is really really wrong lol joe Biden will side with the republicans every single time if it means he gets to be seen as the level headed compromiser . trump stabs me in the front , Biden stabs me in the back . Same loving knife
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Apr 14, 2019 03:22
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Pulcinella di Bund posted:joe Biden will side with the republicans every single time if it means he gets to be seen as the level headed compromiser . trump stabs me in the front , Biden stabs me in the back . Same loving knife Biden absolutely would not nominate guys like Gorsuch and Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court and that alone is a massive, massive difference
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Apr 14, 2019 03:23
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Pakled posted:Biden absolutely would not nominate guys like Gorsuch and Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court and that alone is a massive, massive difference you know maybe if you said Warren or Sanders I’d believe you , but not Joe grab em by the pussy Biden.
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Apr 14, 2019 03:32
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Mahoning posted:“I don’t think she’s electable/capable of beating Trump” just comes off as sexism to me. Mostly because nobody can really articulate what that means. She's a female intellectual and the American electorate is misogynist and anti-intellectual. I think she would be the best president, so I'm going to vote for her. But I would definitely be worrying about her ability to win until the election was called.
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Apr 14, 2019 03:37
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Deified Data posted:The reason there are electability concerns over Warren is because she allowed Trump and co. to dunk on her willingly with the ancestry thing when she shouldn't have given him the time of day (or better, never claimed to be meaningfully Cherokee to begin with, but hindsight and all that). She has (or had, hopefully it's not there anymore) a section of her website dedicated solely to dispelling strange myths about her that no sane person had ever heard of or given credence, thereby platforming poo poo that, once again, she should be ignoring. Warren has a proven, RECENT, track record of responding very poorly to even the most low-brow criticism, and ignoring that weakness is naive. Just so we're clear on that if this is all news to you - if you did know your post would come off as kind of disingenuous. I say this as someone who still has her as my close number 2 pick, with a huge gap between her and 3rd place. The general public doesn't give a poo poo about the ancestor stuff or twitter drama. If she lost the general election it would because she offended enough of the bigoted male electorate by being a powerful and intelligent woman to lose a squeaker.
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Apr 14, 2019 03:43
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Pulcinella di Bund posted:you know maybe if you said Warren or Sanders I’d believe you , but not Joe grab em by the pussy Biden. It's cool how you keep making sure we all know that you know absolutely nothing about American politics or its politicians.
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Apr 14, 2019 03:43
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Gyges posted:It's cool how you keep making sure we all know that you know absolutely nothing about American politics or its politicians. the rational adult in the room , smug at max
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Apr 14, 2019 03:47
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Pulcinella di Bund posted:George Bush , before brutally slaughtering hundreds of thousands of Muslims , atleast went to a mosque first guys. So much better than Trump That's kind of the point, yeah? That as bad as Bush was and with conservative bloodlust for Muslims at a peak, he at least made a basic gesture to differentiate normal Muslim Americans from the people that actually did the terrorism. You don't have to believe "Bush good" at all, you're just highlighting how Trump can't even bring himself to be slightly decent. It's a savvy enough move for Sanders to show that this isn't normal and shouldn't be accepted regardless of your political disposition.
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Apr 14, 2019 03:57
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If all Biden proposes on climate is rejoining Paris, that’s functionally the same as Trump at this point.
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Apr 14, 2019 04:11
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Unoriginal Name posted:Israel is clearly an apartheid state but calling them Nazis just lets them muddy the waters and its a loving stupid thing to say they were literally founded and run by open allies of the nazis for almost their entire existence. look up the lehi group/stern gang and then how many of israel's current politicians and parties have historical ties to them. these are people who, DURING THE HOLOCAUST, said nazi germany was less of an enemy of the jewish people than britain
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Apr 14, 2019 04:21
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the people who run israel are absolutely nazis. materially and ideologically, they are nazis. they shake hands with them and give each other nazi medals. israel is the greatest enemy of the jewish people in the world today.
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Apr 14, 2019 04:22
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Pakled posted:We're here because not enough people voted for the lesser of two evils. It's because presenting the choice as "lesser of two evils" is a bullshit choice and most people would rather just not bother. Blaming voters means that we will go through this situation over and over and over, until voting and democracy is abolished and we're forced to resort to more violent means of achieving change. Making the choice "Good" vs "Bad" is a whole lot easier and more motivating than "Bad" and "Slightly less bad". 11/9 was an enormous learning opportunity for people like you. Learn from it, instead of doubling down.
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Apr 14, 2019 04:23
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Pakled posted:Biden absolutely would not nominate guys like Gorsuch and Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court and that alone is a massive, massive difference Ya, Biden got us Thomas.
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Apr 14, 2019 04:23
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Pakled posted:Biden absolutely would not nominate guys like Gorsuch and Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court and that alone is a massive, massive difference you are either an idiot or working for the right wing.
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Apr 14, 2019 04:23
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Hello, brave Voter. I would like to present a choice to you, a person who's been electroshocked at random intervals at 175 volts throughout their entire lives. Do you want to follow this overextended, heinously long election season to determine whether or not you'd prefer to be electrocuted at 150 volts or 200 volts, assuming a constant amperage?
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Apr 14, 2019 04:27
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hadji murad posted:He also set into motion plans to invade several Muslim countries and kill hundreds of thousands. From personal experience I can tell you they had no loving idea what they were going to do. Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff told a hall full of Academy cadets they were going to take their sea years as unlicensed vessel crew for the largest sea lift since Vietnam. Obviously that didn't happen. They were making it up on the fly because they didn't know what the gently caress was really happening.
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Apr 14, 2019 04:33
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Your Parents posted:they were literally founded and run by open allies of the nazis for almost their entire existence. look up the lehi group/stern gang and then how many of israel's current politicians and parties have historical ties to them. these are people who, DURING THE HOLOCAUST, said nazi germany was less of an enemy of the jewish people than britain OK but you sound like Alex Jones so maybe just say fascist instead?
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Apr 14, 2019 04:34
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SKULL.GIF posted:It's because presenting the choice as "lesser of two evils" is a bullshit choice and most people would rather just not bother. If the primary was today I'd vote for Bernie, I do want the party to move to the left, and I agree with you that a more left-leaning candidate like him would stand a better chance in the general than a centrist like Biden, but I'm just saying if it comes down to it, any of the Democratic candidates are preferable to 4 more years of Trump. It'd suck if Biden was the nominee, both because I think it increases the chances of Trump winning and because he's the Dem candidate furthest from my views but what else am I supposed to do if that happens? Not vote?
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Apr 14, 2019 04:48
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Pakled posted:If the primary was today I'd vote for Bernie, I do want the party to move to the left, and I agree with you that a more left-leaning candidate like him would stand a better chance in the general than a centrist like Biden, but I'm just saying if it comes down to it, any of the Democratic candidates are preferable to 4 more years of Trump. While I understand why this seems to intuitively make sense, a point I was making earlier in the thread is that it's actually not entirely clear whether a bad Democratic administration like one under Biden is superior to Trump on the whole. While Biden in the specific role of president wouldn't be quite as bad as Trump, it would likely result in depressed Democratic turn-out for Congressional and state/local-level races (as opposed to the increased turn-out that occurred in response to Trump). There's also a good chance Democratic politicians would be willing to pass harmful legislation under a bad Democratic president in a situation where they'd be willing to oppose Trump (and it is very likely a Biden administration would support a number of actively bad things). And this is ignoring the fact that it makes a bad Republican winning even more likely after their term ends. Basically, I don't think it's nearly clear enough to condemn people for not voting for the lesser evil. It isn't the black/white "obviously even a bad Democrat being elected is better" situation that it might appear to be at first glance.
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Apr 14, 2019 04:58
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Pakled posted:If the primary was today I'd vote for Bernie, I do want the party to move to the left, and I agree with you that a more left-leaning candidate like him would stand a better chance in the general than a centrist like Biden, but I'm just saying if it comes down to it, any of the Democratic candidates are preferable to 4 more years of Trump. I can't tell you what your values are, but if you feel like you can't vote for a candidate for whatever reason, the solution is to leave that field blank. Never don't vote, state and local elections are too important.
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Apr 14, 2019 05:00
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BrandorKP posted:From personal experience I can tell you they had no loving idea what they were going to do. Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff told a hall full of Academy cadets they were going to take their sea years as unlicensed vessel crew for the largest sea lift since Vietnam. Obviously that didn't happen. They were making it up on the fly because they didn't know what the gently caress was really happening. By the time he visited the mosque days later they were planning how to get into Iraq.
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Apr 14, 2019 05:16
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Pulcinella di Bund posted:on not one of those issues is Joe Biden better than Donald , and I will stay home if he gets the nomination. they fooled us in 2016 to “vote for the lesser of two evils “ and here we are What state do you live in, might I ask?
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Apr 14, 2019 05:24
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Pakled posted:Biden absolutely would not nominate guys like Gorsuch and Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court and that alone is a massive, massive difference Democrats might have backed down after the story broke on Kavanaugh's sex crimes but he and Gorsuch are exactly the kind of well educated, well-credentialed, 'non-partisan' judges that Biden would nominate.
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Apr 14, 2019 05:43
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420 Gank Mid posted:Democrats might have backed down after the story broke on Kavanaugh's sex crimes but he and Gorsuch are exactly the kind of well educated, well-credentialed, 'non-partisan' judges that Biden would nominate. Don't be silly, Biden would have nominated Merrick Garland, twice. Kavanaugh and Gorsuch are pretty distinct from the Garland types in that K & G both had extremely strong partisan credentials. They were nominated and chosen deliberately as Republican partisans, that was the point.
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Apr 14, 2019 05:55
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Pulcinella di Bund posted:you know maybe if you said Warren or Sanders I’d believe you , but not Joe grab em by the pussy Biden. I don't agree. Biden will compromise on entirely too many important things, ultimately dooming the country and the human race, but I sincerely doubt he'd appoint someone as openly odious as a Gorsuch or a Kavanaugh. This is not because he's a good person, but rather because he'd lose the support of the center, without gaining any support from the right. He'd quickly become as unpopular as Trump. Biden's an egomaniac, but he's not a complete idiot. He's not going to do anything that makes him that hated. e: which is a pretty damning commentary on the American electorate, if you think about it. Policies that would doom humanity might not make a President Biden hated, but nominating another lovely conservative to SCOTUS might. Majorian fucked around with this message at 06:02 on Apr 14, 2019 |
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Apr 14, 2019 05:55
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hadji murad posted:By the time he visited the mosque days later they were planning how to get into Iraq. I have a conspicuous lack of knowledge what everybody else saw on TV in days and weeks that followed (because I didn't get to watch). But I know what I got told about two weeks after the event.
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Apr 14, 2019 06:39
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No Democrat currently running for the nomination is picking anyone off the Federalist Society Wet Dreams list. They'll make varying degrees of unsatisfactory to good choices, but the idea that they'd even want one of those idiots doesn't add up. For the Supreme Court Sanders and Waren are the most likely to appoint Sotomayors or RBGs. Everyone else isn't nominating anyone to the right of Garland. Any Federalist Society approved judge is to the right of Roberts, who has been a disappointment to the ghoulish organization. For the lower courts the same will hold true, even Biden will appoint centrist judges at the very worst. Originalists and other Right Wing jurists do not advance or support the agenda of Democrat. Gyges fucked around with this message at 07:00 on Apr 14, 2019 |
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Apr 14, 2019 06:42
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Pulcinella di Bund posted:on not one of those issues is Joe Biden better than Donald , and I will stay home if he gets the nomination. they fooled us in 2016 to “vote for the lesser of two evils “ and here we are Even the shittiest succdems support expanding voting rights to the point of making it the first item on the House docket, including Pelosi and Biden. That alone is a seismic step up from Trump who’s pushing as hard as he can in the other direction
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Apr 14, 2019 07:58
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I'm behind a page, but It would be helpful to the thread if people explained what they're talking about. Here's some background re: Israel sterilization https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-gave-birth-control-to-ethiopian-jews-without-their-consent-8468800.html Israel admitted in 2013 that it administered birth control drug depo-provera, often under coercion and without consent. Independent posted:One of the Ethiopian women who was interviewed is quoted as saying: “They [medical staff] told us they are inoculations. We took it every three months. We said we didn’t want to.” It is alleged that some of the women were forced or coerced to take the drug while in transit camps in Ethiopia. Whale Vomit fucked around with this message at 08:09 on Apr 14, 2019 |
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Apr 14, 2019 08:07
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Majorian posted:e: which is a pretty damning commentary on the American electorate, if you think about it. Policies that would doom humanity might not make a President Biden hated, but nominating another lovely conservative to SCOTUS might. Not on the level of ending the world, but every Conservative on the Supreme Court is a lasting existential threat to millions of Americans, and that's not even getting into the 2000 election and its far-reaching consequences or other ratfucking scenarios.
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Apr 14, 2019 08:21
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YaketySass posted:Not on the level of ending the world, but every Conservative on the Supreme Court is a lasting existential threat to millions of Americans, and that's not even getting into the 2000 election and its far-reaching consequences or other ratfucking scenarios. Oh sure, I'm more commenting on the fact that the policy decisions that make humanity-destroying climate change increasingly likely never see to have political consequences, regardless of party.
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Apr 14, 2019 08:24
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Helsing posted:I feel like it is worth remembering that Warren was a registered Republican until 1996. Sure people can change but to be a fully formed adult and to support the party of Ronald Reagan throughout the 80s is a major failure of both character and intellect. I dont understand how you could put so much faith in someone like that, especially when there is an alternative candidate who has advocated the same positions consistently even when they were marginal and unpopular. I don't think anyone should give a poo poo about someone's party affiliation from like 25 years ago lol
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Apr 14, 2019 09:11
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Ytlaya posted:I also prefer to avoid points like "she used to be Republican" or "she's not anticapitalist" because they're mostly based on how someone subjectively views those things (and in the case of the latter, it's also basically true for Bernie). Typo posted:I don't think anyone should give a poo poo about someone's party affiliation from like 25 years ago lol  with both of these points. Even when she was "a Republican" she was still a stalwart advocate for bankruptcy regulation and consumer protection, so it does a disservice to write her off as being a typical Republican. She did finally come to see the light, so to speak, and we should encourage that kind of attitude or else we just further drive people into increasingly polarised tribes.Also, it's not nearly as bad as much more terrible and recent decisions from other candidates, like Mayor Butt becoming a troop in 2009 or Harris having AIPAC come visit her during business hours after claiming she wouldn't be going to the AIPAC conference. These are much clearer examples of hypocrisy/pandering, as opposed to "two and half decades ago, she was on the other side while still trying to do good work"
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Apr 14, 2019 13:51
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Typo posted:I don't think anyone should give a poo poo about someone's party affiliation from like 25 years ago lol What’s your stance on the guy wearing blackface then?
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Apr 14, 2019 14:06
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Terror Sweat posted:What’s your stance on the guy wearing blackface then? I think wearing blackface and publishing a picture doing so in your college yearbook is a bit different than aligning with one of the two major political parties in the country.
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So I don't get to comment directly on your politicians often, since i'm from the UK - it brings me great pleasure to say https://twitter.com/SpeakerPelosi/status/1117395599685558273 gently caress you you loving gently caress Pelosi, gently caress off till you can gently caress off no more then gently caress back on a bit so you can go back to loving right the gently caress off.
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