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| Joe "the liberal who fights busing" Biden |
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27 | 1.40% |
| Bernie "please don't die" Sanders |
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1017 | 52.69% |
| Cory "charter schools" Booker |
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12 | 0.62% |
| Kirsten "wall street" Gillibrand |
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24 | 1.24% |
| Kamala "truancy queen" Harris |
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59 | 3.06% |
| Julian "who?" Castro |
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7 | 0.36% |
| Tulsi "gay panic" Gabbard |
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25 | 1.30% |
| Michael "crimes crimes crimes" Avenatti |
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22 | 1.14% |
| Sherrod "discount bernie" Brown |
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21 | 1.09% |
| Amy "horrible boss" Klobuchar |
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12 | 0.62% |
| Tammy "stands for america" Duckworth |
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48 | 2.49% |
| Beto "whataburger" O'Rourke |
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32 | 1.66% |
| Elizabeth "instagram beer" Warren |
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284 | 14.72% |
| Tom "impeach please" Steyer |
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4 | 0.21% |
| Michael "soda is the devil" Bloomberg |
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9 | 0.47% |
| Joseph Stalin |
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287 | 14.87% |
| Howard "coffee republican" Schultz |
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10 | 0.52% |
Jay "nobody cares about climate change  " Inslee |
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13 | 0.67% |
| Pete "gently caress the homeless" Butt Man |
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17 | 0.88% |
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Z. Autobahn posted:Next time folks ask "But why isn't Warren more popular": Radish posted:LOL at calling Biden a "great leader." It's not dumb it's sexism, they are libs so they dont say the quiet part loud like the chuds do. Calling Biden a great leader is a sexist and anti semitic dog whistle against Warren and Sanders. Warren has the most detailed plans and articulates them like a professor Sanders helped drag the overton window for the democratic primary so far to the left in just 2 years, but that leadership doesn't count either way because they're not in the caucasian male goy club
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Apr 14, 2019 23:42
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Biden has literally done nothing but stand next to a guy in over ten years but yeah he's a great leader.
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Apr 14, 2019 23:43
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Condiv posted:one would think the info about him tearing up homeless encampments while there weren't enough homeless shelters to care for the displaced homeless would make you uncomfortable. ditto him firing the first black police chief at the behest of racists. guess not The thing I don't understand about someone who isn't low-info (and I don't think BrandorKP is low info in this context) liking Buttigieg is that there are a bunch of huge red flags and hardly anything to motivate one to overlook them. Like, I can understand being willing to overlook bad things there's some really good stuff about the candidate in question that you think outweighs them, but literally the only thing I can think of with Buttigieg is the recently mentioned thing about giving statehood to DC and Puerto Rico. Meanwhile, the guy's history should not even remotely inspire confidence. The main solutions our country needs do not involve maximizing output given strict constraints. Even if you blindly assume that Buttigieg is some whiz kid who can solve complex optimization problems (and, again, there's zero reason to think this is the case), that isn't a skill that is particularly useful in this context. It's not like the thing keeping people poor in the US is some complex problem that no one has been able to find the solution to yet. edit: Like, if I were comparing Obama during the 2008 election with Buttigieg now, Obama would end up looking better in that comparison.
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Apr 14, 2019 23:44
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quote:Being a great leader is more important in a presidential candidate than having great policy ideas, all voters say 50 - 39 percent. Democrats and Democratic leaners agree 52 - 38 percent. Being a great leader is pretty obviously largely standing in for being electable. Which is at least an understandable thing for people to want when they're going up against Donny. When Biden shits away the electability argument, it's probably going to come down to a contest between Bernie and Harris.
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Apr 14, 2019 23:44
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Your Parents posted:dude hes gay. hes GAY!!! how many clap emojis do you need to see??? Winemoms who are die-hard Hillary supporters are posting paragraphs of support for Buttigieg right now, just because he's gay.
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Apr 14, 2019 23:45
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Ytlaya posted:While I understand why this seems to intuitively make sense, a point I was making earlier in the thread is that it's actually not entirely clear whether a bad Democratic administration like one under Biden is superior to Trump on the whole. While Biden in the specific role of president wouldn't be quite as bad as Trump, it would likely result in depressed Democratic turn-out for Congressional and state/local-level races (as opposed to the increased turn-out that occurred in response to Trump). There's also a good chance Democratic politicians would be willing to pass harmful legislation under a bad Democratic president in a situation where they'd be willing to oppose Trump (and it is very likely a Biden administration would support a number of actively bad things). And this is ignoring the fact that it makes a bad Republican winning even more likely after their term ends. further supporting this perspective: https://twitter.com/jackallisonLOL/status/1117442913095393280 I'm sure President Hillary would have been very competent in getting IBM to build databases of the people in camps.
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Apr 14, 2019 23:49
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AsInHowe posted:Winemoms who are die-hard Hillary supporters are posting paragraphs of support for Buttigieg right now, just because he's gay. he's also a troop. flag hags
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Apr 14, 2019 23:50
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BrandorKP posted:Yep. Don't like his stance on Israel though. I mean of course I'm going to like him. I told you guys you'd have to push things to the left of where I'm comfortable. as Niebuhr taught you, as James Comey demonstrated, and the Buttman recapitulates: as long as you make a sad face and declare "otherwise The System says the commies might win," there is no amount of suffering it is wrong to visit on the powerless. right, Brandor?
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Apr 14, 2019 23:51
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AsInHowe posted:Winemoms who are die-hard Hillary supporters are posting paragraphs of support for Buttigieg right now, just because he's gay. The polling data seems to show that his support is more college-educated white men. Liberal tech bros feeling the butt.
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Apr 14, 2019 23:58
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Oh Snapple! posted:40% is completely meaningless to the point where even acknowledging the proposal is a waste of everyone's time, both because it has 0 power to begin with and because the options given for "worker-chosen" representatives will not necessarily be good options. It's the definition of a nothing proposal. This is a moronic take. I'm voting for Bernie for a variety of reasons but poll CEOs and boards to see how happy they'd be about her proposal and I bet you anything they'd be very unhappy. Why would they be unhappy? Because worker representation on a board would probably be more effective (or just about as effective) than unionization at driving company policies to benefit workers at the expense of shareholder profit. What you're painting as a waste of time would fundamentally transform the balance of worker/shareholder power at the largest corporations. It would be a Good Thing, and I hope president Bernie implements her plan. I'm sure anything other than full communism now is a waste of our time in your view, but given that the chance of full communism now is roughly 0%, you seem to be the one wasting people's time with your idiotic and empty criticisms.
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Apr 15, 2019 00:27
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Z. Autobahn posted:The polling data seems to show that his support is more college-educated white men. Liberal tech bros feeling the butt. the berniebros have abandoned bernie?
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Apr 15, 2019 00:31
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Even with all the negatives of Butt if he wins I'll be pretty loving excited to vote for him for identity politics reasons I have to admit. Not my first second or third choice though I think he's picking off a Sanders segment of voters who primarily identify a white and male though, since Sanders has made his campaign visible a lot less so than last time
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Apr 15, 2019 00:34
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AlBorlantern Corps posted:Even with all the negatives of Butt if he wins I'll be pretty loving excited to vote for him for identity politics reasons I have to admit. Not my first second or third choice though cool you’re excited to vote for a racist war criminal , how nice. Flowers and butterflies
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Apr 15, 2019 00:39
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Yeah it means a lot to be able to vote for a gay person for president, it would mean a lot to close personal friends and relatives of mine
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Apr 15, 2019 00:43
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AlBorlantern Corps posted:Yeah it means a lot to be able to vote for a gay person for president, it would mean a lot to close personal friends and relatives of mine voting for a gay fascist who wants to expand the empire to half the world means a lot to you ?
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Apr 15, 2019 00:48
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Wiping away a tear as I watch my gay president give Israel the thumbs up to purge Palestine from the face of the earth.
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Apr 15, 2019 00:48
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Oh Snapple! posted:Wiping away a tear as I watch my gay president give Israel the thumbs up to purge Palestine from the face of the earth. Tel Aviv has a Pride Parade where they allow LGBT to wantonly murder as many Palestinians as straight Israelis. How can you say Israel is an apartheid hellscape?
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Apr 15, 2019 00:49
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Oh Snapple! posted:Wiping away a tear as I watch my gay president give Israel the thumbs up to purge Palestine from the face of the earth. he’s gay , it’s okay how he wants to bomb brown people (who he speaks the language of !)
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Apr 15, 2019 00:50
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Oh Snapple! posted:Wiping away a tear as I watch my gay president give Israel the thumbs up to purge Palestine from the face of the earth. Buttigieg is pro-two state solution IIRC. Pulcinella di Bund posted:voting for a gay fascist who wants to expand the empire to half the world means a lot to you ?
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Apr 15, 2019 00:50
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Oh Snapple! posted:Wiping away a tear as I watch my gay president give Israel the thumbs up to purge Palestine from the face of the earth. *the national anthem "we are the champions" plays as missiles rain down on climate refugees*
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Apr 15, 2019 00:50
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Gnumonic posted:This is a moronic take. I'm voting for Bernie for a variety of reasons but poll CEOs and boards to see how happy they'd be about her proposal and I bet you anything they'd be very unhappy. Why would they be unhappy? Because worker representation on a board would probably be more effective (or just about as effective) than unionization at driving company policies to benefit workers at the expense of shareholder profit. What you're painting as a waste of time would fundamentally transform the balance of worker/shareholder power at the largest corporations. It would be a Good Thing, and I hope president Bernie implements her plan. Unless it's already a weirdly worker-minded boardroom, they're going to have 0 power or leverage whatsoever. And of course those companies aren't going to want it even with this in mind. They're collectively huge shitheads who don't want even the optics of "losing."
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Apr 15, 2019 00:51
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Condiv posted:the berniebros have abandoned bernie? A small subsection of them, but a lot of Bernie's support is from non-college-educated folk
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Apr 15, 2019 00:54
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Youth Decay posted:Buttigieg is pro-two state solution IIRC. you’re a fascist supporter if you like butt He wants to destroy and kill brown people and he’s extremely racist
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Apr 15, 2019 00:55
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Youth Decay posted:Buttigieg is pro-two state solution IIRC. That doesn't mean much. A lot of people are publicly pro-two state solution.
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Apr 15, 2019 01:00
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AlBorlantern Corps posted:Yeah it means a lot to be able to vote for a gay person for president, it would mean a lot to close personal friends and relatives of mine I'm bi and I would rather the dude people will know as the first gay president not be a bloodthirsty racist
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Apr 15, 2019 01:02
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Very glad a straight man is here to tell me how it's good the person people think I am like being a reprehensible piece of poo poo is good and cool, actually,
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Apr 15, 2019 01:04
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Pete sucks and if you have any support for him you’re a right wing nut job
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Apr 15, 2019 01:07
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Forgive my ignorance, but what's all this about Buttigieg being racist? Is it specific to Israel-Palestine?
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Apr 15, 2019 01:13
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El Jeffe posted:Forgive my ignorance, but what's all this about Buttigieg being racist? Is it specific to Israel-Palestine? google buttigeig south bend police. you will be interested by what you find.
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Apr 15, 2019 01:17
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Gnumonic posted:This is a moronic take. I'm voting for Bernie for a variety of reasons but poll CEOs and boards to see how happy they'd be about her proposal and I bet you anything they'd be very unhappy. Why would they be unhappy? Because worker representation on a board would probably be more effective (or just about as effective) than unionization at driving company policies to benefit workers at the expense of shareholder profit. What you're painting as a waste of time would fundamentally transform the balance of worker/shareholder power at the largest corporations. It would be a Good Thing, and I hope president Bernie implements her plan. I agree, though mostly in the sense that simply bringing up the topic of worker ownership of businesses is important. Like, even if that specific policy didn't directly accomplish much, it's still important to have it be part of the discussion. I feel like Warren is fairly strong in terms of, for lack of a better description, supporting policy that would increase taxes/regulation on wealthy individuals/businesses, but that her main weakness is that she doesn't focus much on actually giving to the poor/working class. She seems to have a resistance to just openly supporting large government programs to redistribute wealth (or provide services, like MfA). This isn't as surprising to me as it might seem; it's entirely possible for someone to simultaneously be in favor of punishing the rich while also retaining a lot of wrong ideas about the "fiscal irresponsibility" of heavy government spending. El Jeffe posted:Forgive my ignorance, but what's all this about Buttigieg being racist? Is it specific to Israel-Palestine? Yeowch mentions the police thing, but with regard to Israel-Palestine his views seem pretty exceptionally bad, to a degree worse than even many other Democrats: Vox posted:The 37-year-old openly gay mayor of South Bend, Indiana, has in the past described Israel as a model for the US in how to deal with security threats. He’s blamed most of the suffering in Gaza on Hamas, the Palestinian Islamist political organization and militant group that has run the territory since 2007. And he’s strongly rejected condemnations of Israel — and US support for it — made by progressive lawmakers. Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 01:22 on Apr 15, 2019 |
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Apr 15, 2019 01:19
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Radish posted:Biden has literally done nothing but stand next to a guy in over ten years but yeah he's a great leader. Doing nothing but stand around is sooo much better than he did earlier in his career.
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Apr 15, 2019 01:22
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:google buttigeig south bend police. you will be interested by what you find. Ytlaya posted:Yeowch mentions the police thing, but with regard to Israel-Palestine his views seem pretty exceptionally bad, to a degree worse than even many other Democrats: Hmm yeah that's all pretty questionable. I guess I continue to not support him, but now for specific reasons! Thanks goons.
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Apr 15, 2019 01:29
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El Jeffe posted:Hmm yeah that's all pretty questionable. I guess I continue to not support him, but now for specific reasons! Thanks goons. cool. Continue your support for the fascist
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Apr 15, 2019 01:31
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Pulcinella di Bund posted:cool. Continue your support for the fascist Reading is hard eh? 
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Apr 15, 2019 01:33
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Ytlaya posted:I agree, though mostly in the sense that simply bringing up the topic of worker ownership of businesses is important. Like, even if that specific policy didn't directly accomplish much, it's still important to have it be part of the discussion. She hasn't brought up worker ownership.
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Apr 15, 2019 01:33
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Radish posted:Biden has literally done nothing but stand next to a guy in over ten years but yeah he's a great leader. He wasn't even that great of a VP, since he never really managed to wrangle the senate into doing anything important. mandatory lesbian posted:Very glad a straight man is here to tell me how it's good the person people think I am like being a reprehensible piece of poo poo is good and cool, actually, Welcome to all dialogue about Buttgeig Grapplejack fucked around with this message at 01:49 on Apr 15, 2019 |
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Apr 15, 2019 01:42
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Biden forced Obama's hand on gay marriage. He'll be able to use that when campaigning.
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Apr 15, 2019 01:56
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Pulcinella di Bund posted:cool. Continue your support for the fascist Calm down dude Also yeah while a gay president or VP would be an extremely good thing, it'll sadly have to wait because butt is extremely bad
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Apr 15, 2019 01:59
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LinYutang posted:Biden forced Obama's hand on gay marriage. He'll be able to use that when campaigning. I didn't know that Obama had complete control over the supreme court Also Biden voted for DOMA lol
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Apr 15, 2019 02:01
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Mister Mind posted:FYGM.txt That's a reasonable post though, there is literally no reason to vote for Biden if he won't improve your life Which means if you're not rich
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Apr 15, 2019 02:06
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