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Strontosaurus posted:I read the whole thing when I was 10 because I wasn't allowed to see R-rated movies, but it was perfectly fine to read the same content.
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s.i.r.e. posted:lol, they can read because they have Ripley's DNA, the DNA that allows humans to read English. It's somehow even worse than Whedon's script for the film this novelization is based on.
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Apr 15, 2019 01:41
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Slutitution posted:It's somehow even worse than Whedon's script for the film this novelization is based on.
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Apr 15, 2019 02:55
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the alien drone Gediman punished posted:He could see the color of its emotions, whether it was hot or cold, and whether it felt pain or fear. He could see it felt fear of the warrior—but not enough. Especially not now that it proved it could hurt the warrior. The “Gediman” radiated the color of pride, of accomplishment. The main characters (Ripley, and all the aliens) live with ghosts in their heads who quote lines from the previous films at them: quote:Ripley curled up tight within her shadow and stared into the darkness, trying not to let the young woman’s words touch her. She was tired, so very tired—But she didn’t dare sleep. Lastly, Vriess's first encounter with the aliens, while he's grabbing parts for the Betty: quote:Then, it was back, he could hear it—or could it be a different one? This one was more aggressive, not just scrabbling around the ceiling, but trying to get through it. Suddenly, it broke a comer of the tiling free and shoved its head through. And it was all head, a huge, elongated, nightmare head with no eyes, no ears, no hair, just skull and—
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Apr 15, 2019 04:03
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MrMojok posted:I think the idea here is that since the Queen came from Ripley, and has her DNA, it can read. But seems like this also means all queens who came from humans can read. And their offspring can too. I can honestly see what they were going for. A big running thing in Resurrection is that Ripley 8 is part xenomorph and the Queen is part human, as a result of their DNA getting jumbled up in the cloning process (hence Ripley acting weird and being hypersensitive to the xenomorphs, and the Queen giving live birth to the Newborn); the Ripley 8-derived xenomorphs all being smarter, to a near-human level, tracks with that just fine. Them being able to read and understand English is a mad clunky way to handle that, but... meh.
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Apr 15, 2019 04:04
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Also I just rewatched Resurrection and... it's fine? Like, I really don't get the hate.
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Apr 15, 2019 04:09
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:I can honestly see what they were going for. A big running thing in Resurrection is that Ripley 8 is part xenomorph and the Queen is part human, as a result of their DNA getting jumbled up in the cloning process (hence Ripley acting weird and being hypersensitive to the xenomorphs, and the Queen giving live birth to the Newborn); the Ripley 8-derived xenomorphs all being smarter, to a near-human level, tracks with that just fine. That's totally fair. And I want to add that there were little bits of this that I liked, that did work for me. (I'm hoping this post gets me out of being sued by the author, who is almost certainly a goon) I also want to add that when I said the main characters are Ripley and the various aliens, including the queen, I am 100% serious.
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Apr 15, 2019 04:10
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:Also I just rewatched Resurrection and... it's fine? I rewatched it yesterday. The longer version on the Alien bluray collection. It's a hell of a lot better than the novelization.
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Apr 15, 2019 04:11
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:Also I just rewatched Resurrection and... it's fine? I don't hate A:R. I think all 6 films have their merit. Pierre's direction, the design of the film, and that great cast make it watchable. Whedon's script is total dogshit, though.
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:Also I just rewatched Resurrection and... it's fine?
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MrMojok posted:That's totally fair. And I want to add that there were little bits of this that I liked, that did work for me. The author of the novelization? I believe that's Ann Crispin, and she passed away several years ago. If you like the characters from Resurrection, there was a pseudo-sequel book called 'Aliens: Original Sin' that carried on with the same characters.
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Apr 15, 2019 04:14
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Resurrection is kind of like a Dark Horse Aliens comic brought to the screen. But with a lot quippier dialog. I don't love it like the holy trinity that came before but I always enjoy it. Whether you like the film or not you have to admire the scene where they have to swim through the kitchen. The actors and crew all went through a lot of poo poo for a month to film that, and the behind the scenes stuff about the sequence is wild.
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Xenomrph posted:The author of the novelization? I believe that's Ann Crispin, and she passed away several years ago. I was being facetious about that. And I apologize to the memory of Ann Crispin, and her estate.
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david_a posted:Hmm, are you sure it isn’t in the original script? The novelizations of Alien/Aliens include scenes that were cut or never even shot for the movies because the books were based on the scripts. Nah, that stuff wasnt in the script.
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Apr 15, 2019 04:20
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:I can honestly see what they were going for. A big running thing in Resurrection is that Ripley 8 is part xenomorph and the Queen is part human, as a result of their DNA getting jumbled up in the cloning process (hence Ripley acting weird and being hypersensitive to the xenomorphs, and the Queen giving live birth to the Newborn); the Ripley 8-derived xenomorphs all being smarter, to a near-human level, tracks with that just fine. The concept is good but the author is just so, so bad at the wordcraft to evoke it. The Terminator novelization was so much better at getting into the theory of mind and thought processes of an alien being (in the sense of something utterly inhuman).
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Apr 15, 2019 04:31
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McSpanky posted:The Terminator novelization  No really, that movie had two novelizations.
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Apr 15, 2019 04:37
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I always forget about that! The one by Randall Frakes I believe, I don't have my copy handy to check at the moment.
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McSpanky posted:I always forget about that! The one by Randall Frakes I believe, I don't have my copy handy to check at the moment. The story behind that is great, too. If i remember right, Sean Hutson had been contracted to do the novelization of the movie, but at the time, Cameron had been sleeping on Randall Frakes' couch. Cameron forgot that 'The Terminator' already had an author writing the novelization and offered the gig to Frakes as a personal favor, and then the Hutson one came out first and Cameron said "uhhhh, whoops!" and requested that all copies be pulled off shelves in favor of the Frakes one that came out afterward. I've got both versions, they're both neat in their own way. I haven't read them in forever, but I remember the Hutson one being a lot darker and more violent. Randall Frakes went on to do the novelization for the second movie, as well.
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Slutitution posted:Whedon's script is total dogshit, though. I think A:R is pretty much evidence that Whedon's style works totally fine under two conditions: it has to suit the premise, and the actors have to be good enough to make it feel like old friends busting each others' balls and not On-Point Quips. Ersatz posted:It's mainly about Alien and Aliens being hard acts to follow. The first two films in the series rank among the greatest films ever made. Ressurection is merely entertaining. Yeah this is pretty much on target.
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Apr 15, 2019 05:53
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I can’t stand when people play the “only two good alien movies” poo poo. Honestly they’re all good in one way or another. I’d rather watch Alien Resurrection than a Star Wars prequel.
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:I can honestly see what they were going for. A big running thing in Resurrection is that Ripley 8 is part xenomorph and the Queen is part human, as a result of their DNA getting jumbled up in the cloning process (hence Ripley acting weird and being hypersensitive to the xenomorphs, and the Queen giving live birth to the Newborn); the Ripley 8-derived xenomorphs all being smarter, to a near-human level, tracks with that just fine. i agree. i think (from the snippets) that it's mostly the bad writing just doesn't sell the idea at all. like, using the word 'read' to describe an action that it doesn't really constitute a concious act of reading isn't quite right - especially with the alien. i honestly don't mind the idea that a xeno with a hosed up genetic history looks at squiggly alphanumeric shapes and understands the meaning inherent to those shapes, even if they don't recognise it as 'writing' or 'text'. but writing "the alien read the nametag" makes it extremely prosaic and uninteresting. oh the alien can read now. cool i guess. also i think alien writing better have drat few sequences that are from the alien's perspective, cuz it's a minefield
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CelticPredator posted:I can’t stand when people play the “only two good alien movies” poo poo. Honestly they’re all good in one way or another. I’d rather watch Alien Resurrection than a Star Wars prequel. Alien: Resurrection has more merit and artistic value than 90% of big Hollywood movies today. I just wish the characterization was better, especially with that uniquely dope cast.
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Slutitution posted:Alien: Resurrection has more merit and artistic value than 90% of big Hollywood movies today. I just wish the characterization was better, especially with that uniquely dope cast. Like I alluded to earlier, I think the characterization is actually fine. Elgyn's the only character who doesn't come off as very well-sketched, and that's mostly because he dies too quickly for us to see much of him.
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They’re all proto versions of the serenity crew. Elgyn is Mal, Johnner and Christie are Jane, Viers is sort of Simon, Call is River. Hilliard would probably be Irana. I don’t think anyone is a Kaylee.
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CelticPredator posted:I can’t stand when people play the “only two good alien movies” poo poo. Honestly they’re all good in one way or another. I’d rather watch Alien Resurrection than a Star Wars prequel. It's not about there being only 2 good films, but like someone else said, Alien (and Aliens but to a lesser extent) is one of the greatest sci-fi and horror films ever, none of the sequels will ever live up to that.
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I don’t see why that really matters.
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You don't see how a series with two groundbreaking films will always be compared to those two?
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I see it. But I think it’s boring. Everyone knows how good those movies are. Doesn’t mean the others aren’t also good too.
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But it does mean that the others aren’t also not good also as well, does it not?
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All alien movies are good.
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CelticPredator posted:I don’t see why that really matters. It's mostly just a way of squaring the circle between Resurrection being "the bad one" of the first four (and it is, it's definitely a step down from 1-3) and also being a pretty fun movie on its own. If it weren't for the comparison, people would probably look more kindly on it, the way people love stuff like Blade and Deep Rising that's absolutely in the same vein.
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Also, side note, but seeing Ron Perlman young-ish is strange.
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CelticPredator posted:They’re all proto versions of the serenity crew. Elgyn is Mal, Johnner and Christie are Jane, Viers is sort of Simon, Call is River. People always say this but theyre not really similar at all outside of "a group of people in a spaceship" Like Johnner and Christie are the closest to Jane because they're all big guys with guns and then....Vriess is the doctor? How? Elgyn is not particularly plucky or heroic like Mal (whos supposed to be Han Solo)... but hes the leader and he sleeps with Wash?
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i think its their ragtag mercenary quippy tone thats the most proto-firefly and also the part of the film largely at odds with the body horror in the rest of it. honestly if the whole thing felt tonally a bit more nihilistic and maybe dreamier in a david lynch kinda way? itd be more well regarded i think
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The script is incredibly loving bad and aside from Call the crew are all unrepentant monsters who should have been murdered by a Xenomorph. They sell people to the army to be used as experiments.
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MonsieurChoc posted:The script is incredibly loving bad and aside from Call the crew are all unrepentant monsters who should have been murdered by a Xenomorph. haha i do forget about that. not exactly heroic material really
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Apr 15, 2019 12:14
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MrMojok posted:Skip the novelization of Resurrection. Don’t even think about it. It is probably the worst bit of Aliens fiction I’ve read, and that includes some fanfic. Slutitution posted:I don't hate A:R. I think all 6 films have their merit.
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I think I've made this same post around 6 times in this thread, but as much as I hate Whedon, people are reading his script through a lens of what already exists as opposed to having read it before the movie came out. The "idea" of the script was to create a John Woo action vehicle with aliens, which could have been amazingly ridiculous if it captured the tone of a, say, Face/Off. It's just that the script, instead, got filtered through opposing visions, which resulted in something really, really, tonally weird.
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banned from Starbucks posted:People always say this but theyre not really similar at all outside of "a group of people in a spaceship" Like Johnner and Christie are the closest to Jane because they're all big guys with guns and then....Vriess is the doctor? How? Elgyn is not particularly plucky or heroic like Mal (whos supposed to be Han Solo)... but hes the leader and he sleeps with Wash? Prototype my dude.
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