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| Joe "the liberal who fights busing" Biden |
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27 | 1.40% |
| Bernie "please don't die" Sanders |
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1017 | 52.69% |
| Cory "charter schools" Booker |
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12 | 0.62% |
| Kirsten "wall street" Gillibrand |
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24 | 1.24% |
| Kamala "truancy queen" Harris |
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59 | 3.06% |
| Julian "who?" Castro |
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7 | 0.36% |
| Tulsi "gay panic" Gabbard |
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25 | 1.30% |
| Michael "crimes crimes crimes" Avenatti |
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22 | 1.14% |
| Sherrod "discount bernie" Brown |
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21 | 1.09% |
| Amy "horrible boss" Klobuchar |
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12 | 0.62% |
| Tammy "stands for america" Duckworth |
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48 | 2.49% |
| Beto "whataburger" O'Rourke |
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32 | 1.66% |
| Elizabeth "instagram beer" Warren |
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284 | 14.72% |
| Tom "impeach please" Steyer |
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4 | 0.21% |
| Michael "soda is the devil" Bloomberg |
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9 | 0.47% |
| Joseph Stalin |
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287 | 14.87% |
| Howard "coffee republican" Schultz |
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10 | 0.52% |
Jay "nobody cares about climate change  " Inslee |
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13 | 0.67% |
| Pete "gently caress the homeless" Butt Man |
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17 | 0.88% |
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Oh gently caress off I said he wasn't even my top 3
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I wonder how Bernie's rally in Pittsburgh went. I ended up not being able to go, but I wish I had.
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Apr 15, 2019 02:17
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AlBorlantern Corps posted:Oh gently caress off I said he wasn't even my top 3 What
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Apr 15, 2019 02:20
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the_steve posted:I wonder how Bernie's rally in Pittsburgh went. I ended up not being able to go, but I wish I had. Looks like a good turnout: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u744LcdP_wY&t=2140s
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Apr 15, 2019 02:27
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reignonyourparade posted:She hasn't brought up worker ownership. No, but I mean in the sense of bringing up that workers having little to no representation due to not co-owning businesses is a problem. Progressive politics usually just focus on redistribution, but it's also important to tackle the topic of capitalists owning businesses. Obviously the idea solution would be something along the lines of workers' self-management (where all businesses are co-owned by their labor).
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Apr 15, 2019 02:44
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Ytlaya posted:The thing I don't understand about someone who isn't low-info (and I don't think BrandorKP is low info in this context) liking Buttigieg is that there are a bunch of huge red flags and hardly anything to motivate one to overlook them. Like, I can understand being willing to overlook bad things there's some really good stuff about the candidate in question that you think outweighs them, but literally the only thing I can think of with Buttigieg is the recently mentioned thing about giving statehood to DC and Puerto Rico. Meanwhile, the guy's history should not even remotely inspire confidence. Very different lives lead to very different eyes. He uses language that appeals very much to who I am and the things that made me. An example would be a word like "service" that he tends to use. My experiences cause me to view the events being written about in a different way than you do. My non internet peer group also probably differs substantially from yours. People look at the same thing and see different things because what we perceive is always filtered through what we are. Ytlaya posted:The main solutions our country needs do not involve maximizing output given strict constraints. Right exactly because the dynamics of complicated systems are not what we would expect them to be if we look primarily at optimizing for individual variables. If one is merely looking at reality in terms of solving a linear programming problem, one reaches the wrong conclusions. See you know the thing, I'm inferring that he knows.
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Apr 15, 2019 03:27
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BrandorKP posted:Very different lives lead to very different eyes. He uses language that appeals very much to who I am and the things that made me. An example would be a word like "service" that he tends to use. My experiences cause me to view the events being written about in a different way than you do. My non internet peer group also probably differs substantially from yours. People look at the same thing and see different things because what we perceive is always filtered through what we are. Actually, it's the complete opposite! It's because I understand the appeal of his type of personality that I realize the problem with assigning value to it. I spent my high school and college years learning to think that Buttigieg's particular type of speaking/behavior and the experience/credentials that lead to it (not sure how else to describe it, it's very much a subjective/"cultural" thing) were important/valuable and indicative of broadly being a Smart Person, and was in social groups with the type of person who works (or ends up working) at elite consulting or financial firms. What first made me start to doubt whether my perception was accurate was working with actual scientists and realizing that the sort of business/consulting "interpretation" of quantitative/data-based approaches was generally not based in much actual expertise. Even later I realized that even when people actually do have that expertise, that it still doesn't translate to reasonably good or correct political views (a lot of very talented scientists or statisticians still have very stupid political views). Basically it's important to ask yourself whether your feelings actually make sense in terms of logically leading to good politics/policy (and to doubt them if you're not able to clearly articulate this), and even if you think you're correct to like certain things about him, is there reason to think those things actually translate to something good politically? We already know that Buttigieg's experiences and way of thinking have lead to some pretty bad ideas, so people have pretty good cause to ask what justification someone has for supporting someone who has expressed some pretty abhorrent opinions. Also, I think it's fair for people to not just accept these sort of subjective judgments of intelligent/capability, since they often carry some unintended racist and/or classist undertones. Part of how our society enforces its stratification is by reinforcing the idea that the culture and mannerisms of the managerial-professional class are synonymous with intelligence and capability. BrandorKP posted:Right exactly because the dynamics of complicated systems are not what we would expect them to be if we look primarily at optimizing for individual variables. If one is merely looking at reality in terms of solving a linear programming problem, one reaches the wrong conclusions. See you know the thing, I'm inferring that he knows. It might help to explain a specific topic where this expertise would be useful politically. What specific positions or policies would be the result of it that wouldn't be supported by other politicians? Even if someone somehow perfectly models a system, that doesn't naturally lead them to correct opinions on how to improve that system. Buttigieg has expressed the same sort of dumb opinions on the deficit and national debt as countless other politicians, so either he actually understands that it's a dumb way of framing things and is doing so for cynical reasons, or he's just not actually that smart. He has expressed similarly dumb views on the topic of the free college proposal, basically using the same sort of argument conservatives use against funding public schools. Everything seems to indicate he just has a bunch of the same dumb gut opinions as countless other politicians. Which kinda makes sense, given he's gone down the exact same life path as many of them. Clearly McKinsey isn't full of employees with correct political opinions they've derived from the expertise in systems dynamics every McKinsey employee apparently acquires during their time working there. Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 04:12 on Apr 15, 2019 |
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Apr 15, 2019 03:57
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BrandorKP posted:Very different lives lead to very different eyes. He uses language that appeals very much to who I am and the things that made me. An example would be a word like "service" that he tends to use. My experiences cause me to view the events being written about in a different way than you do. My non internet peer group also probably differs substantially from yours. People look at the same thing and see different things because what we perceive is always filtered through what we are. and therefore, we demonstrate that purging the land of Israel of the unclean is good, actually. because Systemic Thinking (tm) could not produce an outcome, if it was wrong. loving hell, at least the israelites who went all-in on a golden calf could say "it's shinier than ten rules on some rocks" as an excuse. this is just bowing down to worship Mammon because he knows how to use the word "synergy."
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Apr 15, 2019 04:02
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:and therefore, we demonstrate that purging the land of Israel of the unclean is good, Ze, I think he's wrong about Israel and have posted such. I swear dude.
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Apr 15, 2019 04:06
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BrandorKP posted:Ze, I think he's wrong about Israel and have posted such. I swear dude. odd. i was being assured that Systemic Consultant Thinking was immune to such minor whoopsies as that. you are talking to someone who worked for one of McKinsey's superiors in the business, BrandorKP. there is no such thing as Systemic Consultant Thinking. there is the ability to dress up basic concepts in highly technical businesspeak, and wear a suit, and look like you're worth a lot of money while you restate the blindingly obvious with a powerpoint presentation behind you, and not actually have any investment in the organization that brought you on for consulting work because gently caress it, it's not like YOU'RE going to be the one who has to pick up the pieces if it turns out you're wrong. is it any wonder that this Pragmatic Common-Sense Systemic Thought tells you "to keep such inconvenient humans alive is no gain, and to butcher them like animals is no loss?" and yet you still collapse, weeping, in abject veneration, because he worked at McKinsey. tremble, lesser creatures, for from these children who didn't know what they wanted to do after they graduated issues the voice of Brandor's God, and He has spoken: for this organization to reach our efficiency goals we're going to have to hit our departmental KPIs for number of children consigned to the flame.
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Apr 15, 2019 04:23
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Ytlaya posted:Also, I think it's fair for people to not just accept these sort of subjective judgments of intelligent/capability, since they often carry some unintended racist and/or classist undertones. Part of how our society enforces its stratification is by reinforcing the idea that the culture and mannerisms of the managerial-professional class are synonymous with intelligence and capability. And I don't disagree with with basically anything in your post. I also rejected the high achiever thing hard. And hurrah to gently caress the manegerial class who know better and choose to be shits. But it occurs to me that my whole arguement is obscuring what I really think because it's filtered through the ideology of my own educational and professional life. I'll give you the real unprotected thought. I want you to look at Uglycat. He behaves like a freakishly intelligent person. Knowing is doing. He's living what he thinks. When I look at Buttgieg. I see that same thing. Generally they (freakishly intelligent people) aren't stable: prone to addictions, lazy, give up when reality doesn't conform to what's in their head, tremendous pains in the rear end, weird, esoteric in thier language, I could go on. I think he's hiding that beneath the high achieving veneer. That's the real why of why I'm going to vote for him. I do recognize this isn't going make a lick of sense to most people.
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Apr 15, 2019 05:31
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it makes perfect sense if people see you as a loving moron, so no worries there
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Apr 15, 2019 05:36
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BrandorKP posted:I want you to look at Uglycat. He behaves like a freakishly intelligent person. Knowing is doing. He's living what he thinks. When I look at Buttgieg. I see that same thing. lmao loving lmao Wow, President Uglycat!!!
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Apr 15, 2019 05:41
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credit where credit is due, you hear armchair diagnoses of sociopathy a lot in political discussions, but this is the first time I've heard someone follow one up with "and that's why I want to vote for him"
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Apr 15, 2019 05:43
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BrandorKP posted:And I don't disagree with with basically anything in your post. I also rejected the high achiever thing hard. And hurrah to gently caress the manegerial class who know better and choose to be shits. hey or you could vote for him because of his policies instead of mindchessing yourself into voting for him for...some other reason
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Apr 15, 2019 06:05
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WampaLord posted:lmao Uglycat went to DC on inauguration day and protested the cops. Naked. Imagine what they'd do at their own inauguration.
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Apr 15, 2019 06:06
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Ague Proof posted:Uglycat went to DC on inauguration day and protested the cops. Naked. 
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Apr 15, 2019 06:13
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The Muppets On PCP posted:again sanders literally just got a resolution against the war in yemen passed through a senate controlled by mitch mcconnell. it's not like he has no clue how congress, which he has been a member of for like 30 years, works Read again what I said. I said I trust that Warren knows how to get stuff done more through the executive branch, which the president obviously has more control over. This is why I want to hear from Bernie how he plans to use the executive branch and regulatory agencies. Warrens already mentioned a few ways she would, things she wouldn’t have to go through congress over. I want to hear Bernie is thinking similar and what his ideas are.
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Apr 15, 2019 06:25
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https://twitter.com/carrasquillo/status/1117634852365512704?s=21 She was also pretty enthusiastic about Warren in that video. As well as Bernie.
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Apr 15, 2019 06:28
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Or you could just not argue about it, because Buttgeig is going to drop out of the race before South Carolina and this is all a waste of time.
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Apr 15, 2019 06:29
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theblackw0lf posted:Read again what I said. I said I trust that Warren knows how to get stuff done more through the executive branch, which the president obviously has more control over. Well, hold on a second now - why are you so confident of this? Sure, Warren has experience in regulating industries in the executive branch, but I don't think it's quite so obvious that she has a huge advantage over Bernie on this front. Do you think his decades in Congress haven't imparted a certain amount of insight into what the executive branch can do to enact his agenda? The fact that Bernie has focused so much on change through legislation up to this point doesn't seem to be because he doesn't see the value in using the executive branch to bring about transformative change. Rather, it's probably because he's trying to push a type of socialism that is visibly bottom-up and not top-down (ie: the "scary" kind of socialism that's easy to strawman as Stalinism in the U.S. or whatever).
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Apr 15, 2019 06:38
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:google buttigeig south bend police. you will be interested by what you find. An FBI ultimatum. Not much a mayor can do about that.
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Apr 15, 2019 07:10
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Majority Of Americans Voice Support For Bernie Sanders After Learning He’s A Millionaire Looks like this could really be the boost he needs to cement his position as the undisputed frontrunner. 
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Apr 15, 2019 08:52
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https://twitter.com/stephenkinzer/status/1114677336392241154?s=19
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Apr 15, 2019 09:36
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https://mobile.twitter.com/philosophrob/status/1117575478724972544 Now that's what I call signs of a large and highly motivated base! 
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Apr 15, 2019 09:38
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WampaLord posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/philosophrob/status/1117575478724972544 Heh, just wait until those donors learn that Bernie was mildly critical of the universally-beloved Neera Tanden and the CAP. 
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Apr 15, 2019 09:41
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wow and some people support this guy despite the fact he’s an unapologetic Nazi supporter
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Apr 15, 2019 09:44
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mandatory lesbian posted:I'm bi and I would rather the dude people will know as the first gay president not be a bloodthirsty racist ditto Charlz Guybon posted:An FBI ultimatum. Not much a mayor can do about that. he could stand firm instead of letting a racist branch of the government help racists
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Apr 15, 2019 10:26
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dang he’s a straight up monster, huh?
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Apr 15, 2019 10:29
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As said before, nobody wants to hear what a policy wonk has to say because everyone expects another Numbers Fuckstein who has lots of buzzwords to explain away why you just should accept not being able to find a stable job, afford healthcare or ever have your own home.
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Apr 15, 2019 12:08
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lol Pete thinks he’s in the part of the game where he runs for president and saves us all from the bad bad orange man
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Apr 15, 2019 12:21
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I'm not sure what's funnier, Cory Booker being behind Andrew Yang or Kirsten Gillibrand being behind Mike Gravel https://twitter.com/EmersonPolling/status/1117754985129938944
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Apr 15, 2019 13:22
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Apr 15, 2019 13:29
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overmind2000 posted:I'm not sure what's funnier, Cory Booker being behind Andrew Yang or Kirsten Gillibrand being behind Mike Gravel Ouch, Liz is down to 7% with more people in the race and is underwater in the head to head matchup vs Trump. I guess the silver lining is the big chunk of Biden voters that have Bernie as the #2 they'd vote for, validating earlier polls saying the same.
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Apr 15, 2019 13:30
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warren completely botched all her chances with that stupid DNA test. who the hell are her advisors
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Apr 15, 2019 13:39
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overmind2000 posted:I'm not sure what's funnier, Cory Booker being behind Andrew Yang or Kirsten Gillibrand being behind Mike Gravel Yeah, the DNC shouldn't bother inviting any more than those first six names to the debate. You can't crack 5%, go home.
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Apr 15, 2019 13:40
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In what sense is he "outpacing the field"? There's at least 5 candidates who've raised like 6m each. He might be outpacing any one individual candidate, but no poo poo, there's ~20 of em
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Apr 15, 2019 13:40
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Pulcinella di Bund posted:warren completely botched all her chances with that stupid DNA test. who the hell are her advisors What if I told you that the Pod Save America guys convinced her to do that?
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Apr 15, 2019 13:41
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Majorian posted:Well, hold on a second now - why are you so confident of this? Sure, Warren has experience in regulating industries in the executive branch, but I don't think it's quite so obvious that she has a huge advantage over Bernie on this front. Do you think his decades in Congress haven't imparted a certain amount of insight into what the executive branch can do to enact his agenda? The fact that Bernie has focused so much on change through legislation up to this point doesn't seem to be because he doesn't see the value in using the executive branch to bring about transformative change. Rather, it's probably because he's trying to push a type of socialism that is visibly bottom-up and not top-down (ie: the "scary" kind of socialism that's easy to strawman as Stalinism in the U.S. or whatever). i mean, any executive orders issued by either him or the warren administration which exists entirely within theblackwolf's mind palace that paradoxically works toward socialism despite unequivocally stating their opposition to that goal would immediately be challenged and likely overturned in court
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Apr 15, 2019 13:42
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Headline is bullshit. Sanders and Harris out raised him, despite what the article says. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/trump-campaign-raises-30-million-first-quarter-n993581?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma quote:WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump’s campaign raked in $30 million in the first quarter of 2019 and had more than $40 million cash on hand, amassing a record war chest and far outpacing the field of Democratic candidates heading into the 2020 race, according to the campaign.
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