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| Joe "the liberal who fights busing" Biden |
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27 | 1.40% |
| Bernie "please don't die" Sanders |
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1017 | 52.69% |
| Cory "charter schools" Booker |
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12 | 0.62% |
| Kirsten "wall street" Gillibrand |
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24 | 1.24% |
| Kamala "truancy queen" Harris |
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59 | 3.06% |
| Julian "who?" Castro |
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7 | 0.36% |
| Tulsi "gay panic" Gabbard |
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25 | 1.30% |
| Michael "crimes crimes crimes" Avenatti |
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22 | 1.14% |
| Sherrod "discount bernie" Brown |
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21 | 1.09% |
| Amy "horrible boss" Klobuchar |
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12 | 0.62% |
| Tammy "stands for america" Duckworth |
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48 | 2.49% |
| Beto "whataburger" O'Rourke |
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32 | 1.66% |
| Elizabeth "instagram beer" Warren |
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284 | 14.72% |
| Tom "impeach please" Steyer |
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4 | 0.21% |
| Michael "soda is the devil" Bloomberg |
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9 | 0.47% |
| Joseph Stalin |
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287 | 14.87% |
| Howard "coffee republican" Schultz |
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10 | 0.52% |
Jay "nobody cares about climate change  " Inslee |
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13 | 0.67% |
| Pete "gently caress the homeless" Butt Man |
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17 | 0.88% |
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Apr 15, 2019 16:09
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Pulcinella di Bund posted:warren completely botched all her chances with that stupid DNA test. who the hell are her advisors apparently she hid the whole thing from her team until like the last moment it was entirely her idea
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Apr 15, 2019 16:10
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Where are people getting their details of the whole Warren DNA test fiasco? If somebody is sitting on a good write-up of that gently caress up then quit holding out on me.
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Apr 15, 2019 16:11
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Badger of Basra posted:liz warren continues with her unlikeable, unexciting nerdery She would be a good president.
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Apr 15, 2019 16:12
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overmind2000 posted:It's helped by the fact that Bernie is actually going out and campaigning while Biden sits around saying that he might do something As someone who was worried that Biden doing nothing was his path to victory, I'll gladly eat that crow. I firmly believe his entire appeal is a fairy tale, so forcing Biden to actually campaign is only positive for Bernie.
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Apr 15, 2019 16:14
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The main reason I'm OK with this Mayor Pete boomlet is that I think he's in the same lane as Beto and I much prefer him to Beto.
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Apr 15, 2019 16:19
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mcmagic posted:The main reason I'm OK with this Mayor Pete boomlet is that I think he's in the same lane as Beto and I much prefer him to Beto. I vastly prefer Beto.
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Apr 15, 2019 16:20
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https://twitter.com/sarah_smarsh/status/1117803158699376640?s=21 Edit: beaten
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Apr 15, 2019 16:21
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The Kingfish posted:I vastly prefer Beto. Why?
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Apr 15, 2019 16:21
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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:He’s been getting away with that poo poo because he is likable. If this was true he would have been President by now. It's really he's a connected politician and reached a point where you can't really fall off and is currently profiting off the fact he's basically "nameless Democrat" on polls combined with the fact the Democratic primary base vastly overestimate their ability to determine elect-ability in candidates.
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Apr 15, 2019 16:25
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mcmagic posted:The main reason I'm OK with this Mayor Pete boomlet is that I think he's in the same lane as Beto and I much prefer him to Beto. At least Pete seems to be willing to argue for a large-scale domestic policy agenda -- reforming the supreme court, m4a, green new deal, etc. Like he might flop out and abandon it but at least he's currently making the right set of mouth sounds on domestic policy. Beto doesn't seem to even be doing that. Like, if I'm gonna compromise away foreign policy, at least give me something for the compromise. I like that Warren's doing this, it sets up a nice set of policy papers other Democrats can use in the future even if she ends up going nowhere herself.
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Apr 15, 2019 16:25
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mcmagic posted:The main reason I'm OK with this Mayor Pete boomlet is that I think he's in the same lane as Beto and I much prefer him to Beto. He's more dangerous than Beto, Beto is clearly an empty suit and will crumple in time, Buttchug could actually threaten Bernie
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Apr 15, 2019 16:29
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:Wowza Get ready to hear this a lot, they used this argument in 2016, and now they can claim that bernie is rich so he doesn't need other people's money
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Apr 15, 2019 16:35
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mcmagic posted:Why? Mayor Pete has meticulously calculated every major life decision to improve his chances of winning political office. Joining the Navy out of Harvard to fight the Iraq war in 2009 is something only a psychopath would do. Beto is just an oaf.
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Apr 15, 2019 16:36
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Badger of Basra posted:I don’t think it’s really a reason people in this thread dislike her, but it is absolutely true that people express their dislike for Warren in pretty misogynist ways. Reporters on twitter talk about pretty often the boomer Democratic women who call her shrill and a schoolmarm and all the rest of it. I think the big problem Warren has is that she started too late. She's pretty similar to Bernie in terms of policy and campaign style, but they're not starting from an equal position where all the left-leaning voters are uncommitted and the two of them have to fight to win them over. Instead, because she was silent in 2016, she's facing an uphill battle where Bernie has already had the left behind him for years and now she needs to fight to claw them away from him. That's a much more difficult position for her to be in, because she doesn't just need to match Bernie - she needs to convince people she's significantly better than Bernie. That's made even more difficult by the fact that the media doesn't give that much attention to the leftists to begin with, and she's not really doing an impressive job of working outside the media. If she'd started on equal ground with Bernie, she'd probably be splitting the left vote pretty well, but he'd already accumulated a big lead over her by the time she decided to enter presidential politics and now she's stuck trying to peel away people who have seen him as their only option for four straight years. She's definitely forging leftward and trying to put herself forward as the foremost left policy person, but it's still a big uphill battle. Moreover, her early-campaign flubs with the DNA test and her suddenly apologizing for her past sins a week before she launched her campaign turned off a lot of the highly-engaged leftists who initially had high hopes for her. The Sanders devotees who had held some interest in a Warren campaign and were looking forward to her launch would have had their curiosity sated quickly by those early missteps. At this point, I'd guess that most of the people criticizing her campaign style aren't even watching her TV appearances - they're just basing it off the poor first impressions her campaign started off with, which led them to dismiss her as a contender and stop seriously following her campaign. BrandorKP posted:Very different lives lead to very different eyes. He uses language that appeals very much to who I am and the things that made me. An example would be a word like "service" that he tends to use. My experiences cause me to view the events being written about in a different way than you do. That is a succinct summary of Buttigieg's problem. He's lived a very different life from most Americans, and therefore is simply unable to see things through the eyes of the average non-privileged American. He can speak the language of the petty elites quite well, but has he ever had a poor friend in his entire Harvard-educated life?
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Apr 15, 2019 16:52
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Warren is an excellent policy wonk and I think she should have a top level cabinet post like treasury secretary. I envision her as the Harry Hopkins to Bernie’s FDR.
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Apr 15, 2019 16:53
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The Kingfish posted:Mayor Pete has meticulously calculated every major life decision to improve his chances of winning political office. Joining the Navy out of Harvard to fight the Iraq war in 2009 is something only a psychopath would do. I don't disagree with any of this but: 1) I think anyone who's life goal is political office is a psychopath. 2) I think Beto is also a legit threat to Bernie.
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Apr 15, 2019 17:00
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mcmagic posted:I don't disagree with any of this but: 1) Probably, yeah. But Pete is literally on the record as wanting to be a politician since he was a small child. Which is insane. 2) I think that Mayor Pete, by virtue of his practically nonexistent record, is probably the bigger long term threat. He's a better speaker than Beto, smarter than Beto, and (probably) more hawkish than Beto.
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Apr 15, 2019 17:04
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Ytlaya posted:The thing I don't understand about someone who isn't low-info (and I don't think BrandorKP is low info in this context) liking Buttigieg is that there are a bunch of huge red flags and hardly anything to motivate one to overlook them. Like, I can understand being willing to overlook bad things there's some really good stuff about the candidate in question that you think outweighs them, but literally the only thing I can think of with Buttigieg is the recently mentioned thing about giving statehood to DC and Puerto Rico. Meanwhile, the guy's history should not even remotely inspire confidence. Oh, I meant to respond to this the other day but forgot to: Buttigieg seems to be trying to optimize himself for maximum tradeoff between progressives and centrists -- basically, making the pitch to centrists that he's the best option to buy off the leftists, and making the pitch to leftists that he's left-wing enough to buy off the centrists. I don't particularly want that deal -- I want Bernie to win, full stop -- but if for some reason it starts looking like Bernie can't win (say, he has a heart attack or stroke), and Buttman's up there promising major domestic policy improvements (m4a, supreme court reform, PR statehood, green new deal) at the price of continuing the status quo default horror of American foreign policy, well, I can see why people would take that deal, and even be enthusiastic about it. (As for myself I don't particularly trust such an offer for the same reasons I don't trust Gillibrand or any other clear political opportunist, but if you're a more trusting sort or a more calculating one, well, it's a solid offer). The Kingfish posted:Mayor Pete has meticulously calculated every major life decision to improve his chances of winning political office. Joining the Navy out of Harvard to fight the Iraq war in 2009 is something only a psychopath would do. I'm so sick of oafs in office. And I even reflexively like Beto, I donated to his Senate campaign, he'd be fine as a Senate Democrat from Texas. Just keep him the hell away from a position that sets any agenda or has to execute any large scale plans. Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 17:12 on Apr 15, 2019 |
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Apr 15, 2019 17:09
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I want Warren as the Senate minority/majority leader if she's not President.
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Apr 15, 2019 17:10
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Radish posted:I want Warren as the Senate minority/majority leader if she's not President. She hasn't really been involved in Senate leadership though....
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Apr 15, 2019 17:13
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I feel like Butt is a bigger threat to Warren than anyone. His complete rejection of anything resembling class conflict rhetoric in favor of consensus make him squarely a Liberal and thus non-threatening to establishment interests, but he can credibly commit to being a a progressive liberal, as distinct from socialism, unlike any of the other centrist candidates, by virtue of being young, a minority, untainted by Clinton patronage networks, etc. He doesn’t hold any of his ghoulish centrist positions because he’s corrupt, he really believes this stuff, unlike Booker or Biden or Gillibrand, etc Warren is the other candidate in the ‘soft left’ lane, and I think a lot of those people will take Butt over her icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 19:12 on Apr 15, 2019 |
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Apr 15, 2019 17:18
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It is completely obvious that every decision that Buttgieg make has a political calculus in mind. Just look at how he talks about his military service. He was deployed from April to September 2014 in Kabul as a counterterrorism intelligence officer in the Afghanistan Threat Finance Cell. He rode a desk, essentially. And yet everything he says is about carrying an assault rifle, risking his life, etc. In his "reflections" in his time there he talks about learning to differentiate between construction sounds and suicide bombers, despite there being no record that I can find of a suicide bomber in Kabul between April and September of that year. Everything the Republicans dishonestly tried to say about Max Cleland and John Kerry seems to actually be true for Pete.
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Apr 15, 2019 17:20
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Radish posted:I want Warren as the Senate minority/majority leader if she's not President. Her replacing the Turtle would be amazing. Especially since she's on record as wanting to shitcan the filibuster.
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Apr 15, 2019 17:21
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I don’t think that having an oaf in office will be any worse for the left than a competent. Obama was highly competent and we lost everything under him.
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Apr 15, 2019 17:22
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icantfindaname posted:I feel like Butt is a bigger threat to Warren than anyone. His complete rejection of anything resembling class conflict rhetoric in favor of consensus make him squarely a Liberal and thus non-threatening to establishment interests, but he can credibly commit to being a a progressive liberal, as distinct from socialism, unlike any of the other centrist candidates, by virtue of being young, a minority (barely), untainted by Clinton patronage networks, etc Nah, Warren is seen as hard left. It looks to me like Buttigieg has drawn support from the Booker, Harris, Beto, etc. candidates -- technocrat, liberal, etc., and the whitest possible minority status.
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Apr 15, 2019 17:22
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joepinetree posted:It is completely obvious that every decision that Buttgieg make has a political calculus in mind. Just look at how he talks about his military service. He was deployed from April to September 2014 in Kabul as a counterterrorism intelligence officer in the Afghanistan Threat Finance Cell. He rode a desk, essentially. And yet everything he says is about carrying an assault rifle, risking his life, etc. In his "reflections" in his time there he talks about learning to differentiate between construction sounds and suicide bombers, despite there being no record that I can find of a suicide bomber in Kabul between April and September of that year. Everything the Republicans dishonestly tried to say about Max Cleland and John Kerry seems to actually be true for Pete. I mean his joining the military was clearly a blatant career move.
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Apr 15, 2019 17:25
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mcmagic posted:She hasn't really been involved in Senate leadership though.... Who cares? She literally couldn't be worse than the rest of the Senate leadership on the Democrat's side.
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Apr 15, 2019 17:27
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icantfindaname posted:I feel like Butt is a bigger threat to Warren than anyone. His complete rejection of anything resembling class conflict rhetoric in favor of consensus make him squarely a Liberal and thus non-threatening to establishment interests, but he can credibly commit to being a a progressive liberal, as distinct from socialism, unlike any of the other centrist candidates, by virtue of being young, a minority (barely), untainted by Clinton patronage networks, etc. He doesn’t hold any of his ghoulish centrist positions because he’s corrupt, he really believes this stuff, unlike Booker or Biden or Gillibrand, etc Cool I know y'all don't like him but could we stop it with this
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Apr 15, 2019 17:37
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Nah, Warren is seen as hard left. Is she? I feel like the Dem establishment people are much less hostile to her than Bernie. That’s not necessarily the same thing as left/right but there’s other stuff like her “I’m a capitalist” thing. If anything I think Bernie himself is not seen as all that left wing, at least not compared to the Jacobin/DSA people who are much of his support I don’t actually consume that much ‘normie Democrat’ media outside of printed publications though, so I’m not sure what MSNBC and CNN are saying
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Apr 15, 2019 17:37
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I don't think Warren has a snowball's chance in hell of winning the nomination at this point but she is a very good policy person and needs to be placed strategically so that all her good ideas get implemented. I don't know where she could do the most good but if whoever gets the presidency doesn't use Elizabeth Warren as the force for good she is they're a fool.
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Apr 15, 2019 17:37
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https://twitter.com/SarahLongwell25/status/1117038999321886720
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Apr 15, 2019 17:40
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Badger of Basra posted:Cool I know y'all don't like him but could we stop it with this Didn't you hear the news? Being gay and white automatically cancels out your minority status.
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Apr 15, 2019 17:41
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https://soundcloud.com/citationsneeded/episode-69-the-rise-of-the-inexplicable-republican-best-friend E: How do you embed soundcloud links?
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Apr 15, 2019 17:46
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"So you really want to defeat us Republicans? Try throwing us in the briar patch!"
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Apr 15, 2019 17:46
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This is so weird because it's like she almost gets it and then trips right at the finish line. Also hearing someone list JEB(!) as their first choice is, frankly, bizzare. I knew these people existed but I never thought I'd see one. 
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Apr 15, 2019 17:50
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i never know if it's just them lying so the best nominee isn't picked and they do realize that sanders would easily beat trump (because we all know they'd rather trump than any leftist). or is it them actually believing - like most democratic and republican politicians - that america is more conservative than it actually is.
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Apr 15, 2019 17:52
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mistaya posted:This is so weird because it's like she almost gets it and then trips right at the finish line. That Republican posted:And this, my friends, is the crux of my warning: Well, I definitely agree with 50% of her warning! mistaya posted:Also hearing someone list JEB(!) as their first choice is, frankly, bizzare. I knew these people existed but I never thought I'd see one. An unironic Jeb! supporter in the wild! I can't stop clapping for her and for Jeb!
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Apr 15, 2019 17:56
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Groovelord Neato posted:i never know if it's just them lying so the best nominee isn't picked and they do realize that sanders would easily beat trump (because we all know they'd rather trump than any leftist). or is it them actually believing - like most democratic and republican politicians - that america is more conservative than it actually is. I tend to assume it’s the latter. Hanlon’s Razor and all that. E: https://twitter.com/willmenaker/status/1117834613022392322?s=21 Majorian fucked around with this message at 18:00 on Apr 15, 2019 |
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Groovelord Neato posted:i never know if it's just them lying so the best nominee isn't picked and they do realize that sanders would easily beat trump (because we all know they'd rather trump than any leftist). or is it them actually believing - like most democratic and republican politicians - that america is more conservative than it actually is. Yeah they see the signs and portends but don't understand them. They think it's happening just by virtue of the candidate being on the ballot.
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