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| Joe "the liberal who fights busing" Biden |
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27 | 1.40% |
| Bernie "please don't die" Sanders |
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1017 | 52.69% |
| Cory "charter schools" Booker |
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12 | 0.62% |
| Kirsten "wall street" Gillibrand |
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24 | 1.24% |
| Kamala "truancy queen" Harris |
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59 | 3.06% |
| Julian "who?" Castro |
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7 | 0.36% |
| Tulsi "gay panic" Gabbard |
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25 | 1.30% |
| Michael "crimes crimes crimes" Avenatti |
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22 | 1.14% |
| Sherrod "discount bernie" Brown |
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21 | 1.09% |
| Amy "horrible boss" Klobuchar |
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12 | 0.62% |
| Tammy "stands for america" Duckworth |
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48 | 2.49% |
| Beto "whataburger" O'Rourke |
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32 | 1.66% |
| Elizabeth "instagram beer" Warren |
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284 | 14.72% |
| Tom "impeach please" Steyer |
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4 | 0.21% |
| Michael "soda is the devil" Bloomberg |
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9 | 0.47% |
| Joseph Stalin |
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287 | 14.87% |
| Howard "coffee republican" Schultz |
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10 | 0.52% |
Jay "nobody cares about climate change  " Inslee |
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13 | 0.67% |
| Pete "gently caress the homeless" Butt Man |
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17 | 0.88% |
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Pulcinella di Bund posted:mayor Pete will burn Argentina to the ground Are you implying that the butt man is some sort of bug man assisting the destruction of buenos aires (and mankind) from the inside, or a gaius baltar like figure who will betray us to the bug men for sex?
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mcmagic posted:That is a weird time. Why? Late enough that most people will be home from work.
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Apr 15, 2019 22:22
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BrandorKP posted:Some people join the military because they believe in "service." That would be consistent with the other choices he's made. It's why I went to federal military academy and not to a regular university. There is a narrative that pushes it in high schools, organizations (sports, bsa, etc) and in families all over the country. Yeah, I'm sure an openly ambitious Harvard grad with political aspirations signed up for the reserves in 2009 out of nothing more than an honest and selfless desire to serve his country. Sure, there is an ethos among the elite class that prioritizes "service"...and one of the things that they consider to be "service" is leadership, whether as a powerful community leader or as an influential politician. It shouldn't be any surprise that many of the other things they also consider to be "service" are common resume-builders for those top leadership positions. Don't forget that this was in 2009, when our military involvement overseas was unpopular enough that the winning presidential candidate had campaigned against it, and the political fantasy of the hero soldier sacrificing themselves for their country had undergone a Vietnam-style decay.
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Apr 15, 2019 22:24
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Are any candidates going to directly criticize buttigieg's service in the military? Will they stand behind their supporter's criticism of his service or disavow it?
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Apr 15, 2019 22:30
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Ubiquitous_ posted:While that does exist, it seems bizarre to claim that Pete is one of them. I didn't say that, I just answered your question of why someone would
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Apr 15, 2019 22:30
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KingNastidon posted:Are any candidates going to directly criticize buttigieg's service in the military? Will they stand behind their supporter's criticism of his service or disavow it? Of course not. Even Bernie is  about the Troops.If anything I expect Tulsi and Pete to get into slapfights about which one is more authentically A Troop.
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Apr 15, 2019 22:30
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joepinetree posted:Ah yes, being tall and making your opponent look dumb are sure fire ways to win elections. Who can forget president Kerry? For real. The Rock could be running, and the Ben Garrison's of the world will just draw him as a scrawny soyboy with deflated muscles while Trump is presented as a golden god. Wingnuts see the world through a very distorted lens, things that actually happen aren't what they choose to see. KingNastidon posted:Are any candidates going to directly criticize buttigieg's service in the military? Will they stand behind their supporter's criticism of his service or disavow it? In the Democratic Primary? Not bloody likely. Criticizing his service is just handing free soundbite bullets to the Republicans for the General when they start trotting out the "Dems hate ARE TROOPS!" line. Not that they aren't going to say it regardless, but, no point in giving them unnecessary ammo.
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Apr 15, 2019 22:35
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Lightning Knight posted:Of course not. Even Bernie is Then it seems like kind of waste of time and the buttigieg campaign would like nothing more than Sanders supporters making an issue out of it. Even Biden indirectly benefits given he can bring up his son.
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Apr 15, 2019 22:35
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KingNastidon posted:Then it seems like kind of waste of time and the buttigieg campaign would like nothing more than Sanders supporters making an issue out of it. Even Biden indirectly benefits given he can bring up his son. I don't give a poo poo what Bernie wants on the matter. Pete is a careerist sociopath and the military stint in loving 2009 further builds up that narrative. If it makes it easier to stop folks from getting hoodwinked by his faux-progressive rear end I'll abuse the hell out of that fact.
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Apr 15, 2019 22:41
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Oh Snapple! posted:I don't give a poo poo what Bernie wants on the matter. Pete is a careerist sociopath and the military stint in loving 2009 further builds up that narrative. If it makes it easier to stop folks from getting hoodwinked by his faux-progressive rear end I'll abuse the hell out of that fact. It's more a waste of time insofar as it's the equivalent of criticizing Bernie for being a socialist. Anyone receptive to that criticism is already not supporting Bernie, and his supporters see it as a good thing.
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Apr 15, 2019 22:43
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I think there's a possible angle to use his troophood against Mayor Pete by bringing up that he was a glorified desk worker who's ginning up his service record for political benefit, but I don't think anyone will go there.
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Apr 15, 2019 22:46
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KingNastidon posted:Are any candidates going to directly criticize buttigieg's service in the military? Will they stand behind their supporter's criticism of his service or disavow it? they are going to praise it if anything because actual voters aren't the 20 ppl on DnD leftist struggle session who thinks the US army is same as the SS
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Apr 15, 2019 22:49
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lol that there are people in this very thread who would vote for the white supremacist Butt . even with all the info at their hands
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Apr 15, 2019 22:53
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Cerebral Bore posted:I think there's a possible angle to use his troophood against Mayor Pete by bringing up that he was a glorified desk worker who's ginning up his service record for political benefit, but I don't think anyone will go there. I mean Trump will absolutely go there, in a theoretical general
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Apr 15, 2019 22:55
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Z. Autobahn posted:I mean Trump will absolutely go there, in a theoretical general Even he's not that stupid given it opens himself up to criticisms about not serving during war time. Nor his two sons that are similar in age to buttigieg. People separate the wrongs of the military at large from the people that choose to serve. Especially given most people are from poorer backgrounds and those of privileged backgrounds are viewed as participating in something they don't need to. I don't think buttigieg joined the military because he cares much about the mission, but some people like to do things to test themselves and expose themselves to areas/people unlike them. Could also be completely self serving to shield himself from criticisms that he's the child of university professors and a big book dork that worked in management consulting. So just focus on the McKinsey thing which draws stark contrast vs. Sanders life in public service.
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Apr 15, 2019 23:10
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https://mobile.twitter.com/rubycramer/status/1117911444777885698 I would like a mea culpa from everyone who implied or said that he wouldn't release them before I hear a word about what's in them (spoilers, nothing controversial at all)
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Apr 15, 2019 23:13
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WampaLord posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/rubycramer/status/1117911444777885698 He just released the short forms! We need the long form tax returns!
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Apr 15, 2019 23:15
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KingNastidon posted:Even he's not that stupid given it opens himself up to criticisms about not serving during war time. Nor his two sons that are similar in age to buttigieg. People separate the wrongs of the military at large from the people that choose to serve. Especially given most people are from poorer backgrounds and those of privileged backgrounds are viewed as participating in something they don't need to for financial or career reasons. "I like people who weren't captured." "No puppet, you're the puppet." "Welcome Back Joe!" yup, guy who's REAL loving worried about being opened up to criticisms of hypocrisy
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Apr 15, 2019 23:16
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Meanwhile, in Beto land... https://mobile.twitter.com/thehill/status/1117910720723607552
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Apr 15, 2019 23:17
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WampaLord posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/rubycramer/status/1117911444777885698 You Were Right. Also first impressions of the tax returns: largely uncontroversial, surprisingly low final net worth.
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Apr 15, 2019 23:18
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BILLIONARE BERNIE BETRAYED THE BROS!!!
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Apr 15, 2019 23:21
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KingNastidon posted:Even he's not that stupid given it opens himself up to criticisms about not serving during war time. Nor his two sons that are similar in age to buttigieg. People separate the wrongs of the military at large from the people that choose to serve. Especially given most people are from poorer backgrounds and those of privileged backgrounds are viewed as participating in something they don't need to. Jesus Christ, do you people have the memory of a goldfish? Oh, yeah, I am sure Republicans would never open themselves up for criticizing people for their military service. Who can forget when Trump lost an election for criticizing the Khan family? When Bush lost an election for swiftboating Kerry? When Max Cleland won the senate election when a republican who didn't serve attacked his patriotism? Now, you know what the difference between Cleland, the Khan family and Kerry and Buttgieg? Medals, wounds and combat experience. Buttgieg was a desk jockey who worked in finance counterterrorism and yet talked about all the action that he saw, and embellished his service in ways that are really easy to disprove (see claiming that he ended up learning the difference in sound between construction work and suicide bombers, despite the fact that there no suicide bombers in Kabul during his period there). Whether primary campaign opponents will go after that is beside the point. The point is that it is a window into his personality (joining one year before running for statewide office, embellishing his service) that will undoubtedly be a liability in the general, instead of the boon that people think it will be. Not that we should worry about him in the general, because he is just the latest flavor of the month who will disappear soon. joepinetree fucked around with this message at 23:27 on Apr 15, 2019 |
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Apr 15, 2019 23:21
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The Kingfish posted:She was never going to have progressive support for obvious reasons, and she was never going to have establishment support because she helped oust Al Franken. It's easy to say that now but a year ago I thought she might be competing with Kamala Harris, maybe being just under. You could guess she might get at least 3%-5% maybe more and you could be right. Having 0%-1% in several polls is much worse than many people would have predicted for a Senator from New York. It does make sense though with how lame her campaign has been and how many other people are in it at this point anyway.
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Apr 15, 2019 23:22
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Condiv posted:BILLIONARE BERNIE BETRAYED THE BROS!!! Tankie ‘80s Bernie was still poor, that’s why he was cool. Modern Bernie is rich, that’s why he’s a sell out. 
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Apr 15, 2019 23:23
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Lightning Knight posted:You Were Right. Honestly the biggest surprise is that he wasn't a millionaire until his book started selling. The man was earning a a low six figure salary for decades.
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Apr 15, 2019 23:23
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WampaLord posted:Meanwhile, in Beto land... lol what happened to Beto? I guess Buttigieg took all his thunder, after Kamala Harris died before.
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Apr 15, 2019 23:24
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BALEFUL BERNIE'S BILLIONAIRE BETRAYAL BEFUDDLES BOUNDLESS BRETHREN!!!
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Apr 15, 2019 23:26
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:"I like people who weren't captured." Fair enough, but attacks on McCain's military service were one of the very few things that prominent republicans and the conservative media criticized Trump on. It's a losing line of attack. Trump can go after buttigieg for being a reservist or not fighting on the front lines, but everyone around him will see him as an idiot with no self control for doing so and won't amplify the message.
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Apr 15, 2019 23:27
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Wicked Them Beats posted:Honestly the biggest surprise is that he wasn't a millionaire until his book started selling. The man was earning a a low six figure salary for decades. I sort of assume he must’ve been spending it on something, living in two different states is probably expensive and he has kids and grandkids so that sounds about right.
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Apr 15, 2019 23:28
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if you wanna go after buttplug for his service you have to do the swiftboat thing instead of calling THE TROOps evil
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Apr 15, 2019 23:28
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WampaLord posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/rubycramer/status/1117911444777885698 Yeah, I'm not surprised that the bad faith take is that he's too rich now. Him being too rich or too poor was always the way this was going to turn out.
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Apr 15, 2019 23:31
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KingNastidon posted:Fair enough, but attacks on McCain's military service were one of the very few things that prominent republicans and the conservative media criticized Trump on. It's a losing line of attack. Trump can go after buttigieg for being a reservist or not fighting on the front lines, but everyone around him will see him as an idiot with no self control for doing so and won't amplify the message.
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Apr 15, 2019 23:35
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Anyone else listening to the town hall? THEY JUST hosed UP and made him defend Warren's wealth tax idea. Boy is their research ALREADY loving dogshit.
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Apr 15, 2019 23:38
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:The Swiftboat poo poo was absolutely not a losing line of attack in a purely tactical sense and probably tipped the election. A hypothetical swiftboat controversy is different than claiming someone is bad for joining the military in 2009 or joining the military as a harvard educated aspiring politician.
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Apr 15, 2019 23:41
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VH4Ever posted:Anyone else listening to the town hall? I'm watching it. The hosts are asking ridiculously bad faith questions, and Bernie is spicy tonight.
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Apr 15, 2019 23:43
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VH4Ever posted:Anyone else listening to the town hall? do you have a link?
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Apr 15, 2019 23:43
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:do you have a link? What would you say, to watching Bernie Sanders on Twitch.tv?
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Apr 15, 2019 23:44
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Z. Autobahn posted:This thread will perpetually hate whichever non-Bernie candidate is getting that moment's spotlight the most. We've already been through it with Harris, Biden, and Beto, so I guess it's Pete's turn to be "this one's the absolute worst" There is nothing wrong, bad, or strange about the thread discussing a candidate who is also being discussed most heavily in the media, and it is completely reasonable to dislike them for being bad (which has been true for the people in question). I honestly don't understand what your issue is here. Do you disagree that they deserve to be disliked? Or do you think that discussing a candidate who is also being covered heavily in the media is somehow dumb, like some sort of weird political discourse hipster-ism? Z. Autobahn posted:It's more a waste of time insofar as it's the equivalent of criticizing Bernie for being a socialist. Anyone receptive to that criticism is already not supporting Bernie, and his supporters see it as a good thing. But we are people presumably having an honest discussion with our actual opinions. The minute you start trying to push back against an opinion with "but this won't convince most Americans," it's time to take a step back and ask yourself why you feel the need to push back against it in the first place. Oh Snapple! posted:Also blatantly doesn't believe in any sense of "service" considering he has no history of activism whatsoever. This is a guy who thought that people like Zuckerberg were making a bigger positive difference than the people protesting for better wages at his university. I think he has a strange idea of what constitutes "service." BrandorKP posted:Well peer groups shape us more than our parents. But our parents (and we as parents) do have some control over the peer groups participated in. But it's also wrong and he's an adult doing these things, so I don't see how this really excuses it. It's one thing for someone to join the military out of high school because of the culture they grew up in, and another entirely to decide to do it in your late twenties. And his opinions about Israel basically give us every reason to believe that his motives are not anything praiseworthy. Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 23:52 on Apr 15, 2019 |
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Apr 15, 2019 23:44
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:do you have a link? https://video.foxnews.com/v/5614615980001/#sp=watch-live You need cable or something for this to work.
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King of Solomon posted:I'm watching it. The hosts are asking ridiculously bad faith questions, and Bernie is spicy tonight. The ONE TIME I want to watch something on Fox News.
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