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(Thread IKs: Nenonen)
What should the presidential powers be in 2020?
This poll is closed.
UNLIMITED!!!! URKKI 2.0!!!!!! 3 23.08%
Sauli should be allowed to telecast to our homes whenever he pleases, but that should be the limit. 2 15.38%
He should be limited to writing mildly worded letters to HBL and other provincial newspapers. 2 15.38%
None. More power to Sanna & Katri & Maria & Li & Anna-Maja & Jenni! 2 15.38%
Unlimited, but every decision must be subject to a plebiscite. 0 0%
None, but the president's life must be video streamed 24 /7 for the duration of their term, with no censorship. 4 30.77%
Total: 13 votes
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His Divine Shadow
Aug 7, 2000

I'm not a fascist. I'm a priest. Fascists dress up in black and tell people what to do.
I think if Sipilä joined with SDP the last election instead of the KOK then he might have gotten his reform through because it would not have been hamstrung by various KOK demands for privatization and freedom of choice bullshit. He could then have done the exact same SDP-Kesk-Vihr-LA-RKP government and gotten 119 seats, not as many as with the government he got, but one I think that would have been able to deliver a SOTE reform and gotten him most of what he wanted. Instead of 4 years of the dumbest government in finnish history and going into the history books as a loser.

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Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa
Keppanareppanat ei nyt vaan ole hyvissä asemissa sopia mistään ennen kesän puoluekokousta. Ainoa realistinen optio imo on että Sips eroaa ja tilalle kutsutaan Kepun kunniapuheenjohtaja PV.

Yksi vaihtoehto olisi myös se mitä ei saa ääneen mainita, joka on nyt Ruotsissa käytössä. Silloin kepu voisi tehdä demareiden kanssa diilin mutta jättää uuden puoluejohdon kädet vapaiksi sillä keps gotta pets.

His Divine Shadow
Aug 7, 2000

I'm not a fascist. I'm a priest. Fascists dress up in black and tell people what to do.
Aand Sipilä resigns

DarkCrawler
Apr 6, 2009

by vyelkin
Tulos tai ulos, bitchboy.

Obfuscation
Jan 1, 2008
Good luck to you, I know you believe in hell
Sibbe leaving makes punamulta a real possibility imo

Otoh Keskusta might prefer oppositio to regain some popularity

Sulphagnist
Oct 10, 2006

WARNING! INTRUDERS DETECTED

His Divine Shadow posted:

Aand Sipilä resigns

A foregone conclusion but still makes me happy.

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe
If nothing else then seeing Sipilä scurry away in disgrace warms my heart.

Chazani
Feb 19, 2013

Cerebral Bore posted:

If nothing else then seeing Sipilä scurry away in disgrace warms my heart.

Väittävät sitä kuitenkin suoraselkäisyydeksi ja saa palkkioksi Suomen Pankin viran

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa

Nenonen posted:

Keppanareppanat ei nyt vaan ole hyvissä asemissa sopia mistään ennen kesän puoluekokousta. Ainoa realistinen optio imo on että Sips eroaa ja tilalle kutsutaan Kepun kunniapuheenjohtaja PV.

Also - Sipilä has this habit of resigning and then continuing. New pääkepuli won't be chosen until September, wtf

Nenonen fucked around with this message at 10:34 on Apr 16, 2019

Hogge Wild
Aug 21, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Pillbug

throw to first drat IT posted:

You people suggest Kepu+Cock shutting out SDP but do you really think that Sipilä wants to listen to more talks about Valinnanvapaus

se pedari sai monoa

e: hyviä uutisia sietää toistaa

Hogge Wild fucked around with this message at 10:38 on Apr 16, 2019

No. 1 Callie Fan
Feb 17, 2011

This inkling is your FRIEND
She fights for LOVE
Sounds like Paavo Väyrynen is needed back in CP.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

No. 1 Callie Fan posted:

Sounds like Paavo Väyrynen is needed back in CP.

Everything going according to his keikakhu.

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa
The main question here is, would Paavo rejoin CP or would CP join 7TL?

Superanos
Nov 13, 2009

If Kepu does not go into government, it's SDP+KOK+VIHR+RKP.

If Kepu goes with the left, it's SDP+KESK+VIHR+VAS+RKP.

If Kepu goes with the right, it's PS+KOK+KESK.


Kepu has all the power. The best time for The People's Paavo to return.

throw to first DAMN IT
Apr 10, 2007
This whole thread has been raging at the people who don't want Saracen invasion to their homes

Perhaps you too should be more accepting of their cultures

Superanos posted:

Kepu has all the power

Forktoss
Feb 13, 2012

I'm OK, you're so-so

Superanos posted:

If Kepu does not go into government, it's SDP+KOK+VIHR+RKP.

If Kepu goes with the left, it's SDP+KESK+VIHR+VAS+RKP.

If Kepu goes with the right, it's PS+KOK+KESK.

I know everyone is aching for Perskeko II but I don't think kok has much incentive to go with ps+kesk over sdp+vihr when Orpo pretty much gets to set whatever conditions he likes for hallitusneuvottelut with Rinne if kepu outright declines to cooperate with demarit

Chazani
Feb 19, 2013

Chazani posted:

Väittävät sitä kuitenkin suoraselkäisyydeksi ja saa palkkioksi Suomen Pankin viran

"Yle Uutiset posted:

Uusi keskisuomalainen kansanedustaja Joonas Könttä (kesk.) pitää Sipilän toimintaa suoraselkäisenä, mutta kaipaa uudelta johtajalta vähän paluuta menneseen.

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Forktoss posted:

if kepu outright declines to cooperate with demarit

Why would this happen?

His Divine Shadow
Aug 7, 2000

I'm not a fascist. I'm a priest. Fascists dress up in black and tell people what to do.

Andrast posted:

Why would this happen?

I've seen some right wingers cling to this notion like a life line. I think they are scared of a reddish government without them, what if they get SOTE through, one of the biggest reforms in the countrys history and the KOKs are standing outside and not allowed to put their print on it.

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Imagine thinking that a kepulainen is going to decline the valtiovarainministerinsalkku

Andrast fucked around with this message at 13:44 on Apr 16, 2019

Forktoss
Feb 13, 2012

I'm OK, you're so-so

Andrast posted:

Why would this happen?

Well they don't exactly have kansan mandaatti right now so they might want to spend some time pushing their numbers up in oppositio.

I think they'll jump happily to punamulta though, especially without Sipilä

His Divine Shadow
Aug 7, 2000

I'm not a fascist. I'm a priest. Fascists dress up in black and tell people what to do.
If kepu sits in opposition now, they risk the same as kok, not being able to affect a possibly successful SOTE reform. This reform is part of kepus longterm survival strategy so I think they will not risk the chance at another go. Most of what they wanted should be doable after all with the kokheads out of the way.

DanTheFryingPan
Jan 28, 2006

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010


Pave noster.

DanTheFryingPan
Jan 28, 2006
Miten muualla, niin myös Suomessa

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa

DanTheFryingPan posted:

Miten muualla, niin myös Suomessa



Onko kukaan nähnyt Sipilää viimeisen tunnin aikana?

Nurge
Feb 4, 2009

by Reene
Fun Shoe
Mistähän se johtuu että keskusta nyt huutaa kaikille että ne haluaa oppositioon. Vetää mattoa SDP:n alta?

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Nurge posted:

Mistähän se johtuu että keskusta nyt huutaa kaikille että ne haluaa oppositioon. Vetää mattoa SDP:n alta?

Ihan normaalia huutoa tulee perälle jääneestä suuresta puolueesta aina.

kummasti halut hallitukseen kasvaa hallitusneuvottelujen pidetessä

doverhog
May 31, 2013

Defender of democracy and human rights 🇺🇦
SDP should give Kepu cows and maakuntas, maybe let them create a fourth Pohjanmaa? State subsidies for a beet-ethanol plant. Etc.. In exchange Kepu lets them pass a new sote and do some general socialism.

Nurge
Feb 4, 2009

by Reene
Fun Shoe

BioMe
Aug 9, 2012


Harvinaista suoraselkäisyyttä Suomalaisessa politiikassa kieltäytä hallituspaikasta näin selkeän vaalitappion jälkeen ennen kuin Kokoomus sitä tarjoaa!

Kemper Boyd
Aug 6, 2007

no kings, no gods, no masters but a comfy chair and no socks
Kepu's bucketlist of demands for joining a government is pretty much the list of things that SDP can either give outright, or reach a viable compromise on.

I think that some of the party leadership understand that this is a situation where they'd get reamed even in opposition and the SDP is really the only party they can enter govt with.

Hogge Wild
Aug 21, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Pillbug
vielä ei voi sanoa onko tuleva hallitus edellistäkin paskempi, mutta kovaa työtä se kyllä vaatii

mutta monia hyviä asioita vaaleissa tapahtui: naisten määrä nousi 46%:iin ja seuraavat separit putosivat:

Pudonneiden joukossa oli paljon tunnettuja nimiä, muun muassa vihreiden entinen puheenjohtaja Touko Aalto, kokoomuksen Eero Lehti ja Susanna Koski, vasemmistoliiton Silvia Modig, keskustan Juha Rehula ja Kimmo Tiilikainen sekä tähtiliikkeen Paavo Väyrynen. https://www.iltalehti.fi/politiikka/a/90b72a07-7862-4cc5-9059-26c29141d163

ml. myös jyrki kasvi :flipoff:

eikä kiinteistökehari kaisa lisko päässyt läpi

ja äänestysprosentti nousi 72%:een eli korkeimmilleen sitten 91

endlessmonotony
Nov 4, 2009

by Fritz the Horse
Mikäs Kasvissa muka noin pahaa on?

Eihän se nyt mikään paras kommentoija ole mutta noin yleensä parempaa kuin keskiarvo eduskunnassa?

Hogge Wild
Aug 21, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Pillbug

endlessmonotony posted:

Mikäs Kasvissa muka noin pahaa on?

Eihän se nyt mikään paras kommentoija ole mutta noin yleensä parempaa kuin keskiarvo eduskunnassa?

se ei tienny mistään mitään pelit-lehdessä eikä ole oppinut mitään uutta sen jälkeenkään

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa
Unessa hallituksen muodostivat persut, vasemmisto ja kokoomus

Persvako

No. 1 Callie Fan
Feb 17, 2011

This inkling is your FRIEND
She fights for LOVE

Hogge Wild posted:

se ei tienny mistään mitään pelit-lehdessä eikä ole oppinut mitään uutta sen jälkeenkään

How dare you. His columns were a good guide to pop culture and poo poo.

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa
https://twitter.com/Psalolainen/status/1118070847896473600

:fap:

Ornedan
Nov 4, 2009


Cybernetic Crumb

https://www.hs.fi/kotimaa/art-2000006075127.html posted:

Poliitikkojen usein toistama tavoite valinnanvapaudesta taas ei näytä kovin merkittävältä vastaajien mielestä. Sen mainitsi kolmen tärkeimmän tavoitteen joukossa vain 24 prosenttia vastaajista, miehet useammin kuin naiset.

Cool. Hoping the freedom bullshit is left out of the next go at sote.

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Nurge
Feb 4, 2009

by Reene
Fun Shoe
Final count is in. We avoided persut as the PM party by less than 8000 votes. Kind of terrifying honestly. I'd probably put money on them being the biggest party next time around, but thinking about that is too depressing right now.

e: Also I just realized that's not how voting works, but it was really close either way.

Nurge fucked around with this message at 17:39 on Apr 17, 2019

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