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Luscious Snake posted:Edit: No surprise on the timing there, after ignoring several dozen posts complaining about the perfidious monarchies and democracies. Communo-fascist CSPAM thugs are trying to silence you
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Xelkelvos posted:We should declare a Jihad. Hell, we've got Rome. If the Vicar ain't cooperative we should just kickstart Vatican II with a new one and get him to declare a Crusade against Paris as well. It wouldn't exactly be out of character for a Stalin analogue to declare himself a Living Saint and/or Caliph depending on his audience. 
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Hashim posted:The whole western mess started because of Panama, so the Berbers are definitely declaring war on whoever holds it. The Berbers would actually be less likely to declare on Ibriz if they fail miserably in capturing the canal, letting the Berbers swoop in and grab it instead. Welp, I hope they move every able body to the north, then
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To be fair, we chose no allies but also never actually ACTED on our intentions towards the CSE. And I don't think anyone expected Russia to fold like they did. That's the wildcard that put us where we are now.
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Captain Oblivious posted:And I don't think anyone expected Russia to fold like they did. That's the wildcard that put us where we are now. Russia killed itself by having a noble revolt in a political environment that was probably not dissimilar to 1920s OTL Britain. It's like if OTL Churchill had said "let's purge the Labour party and get rid of the House of Commons" during the Spanish Civil War because the government wouldn't officially support the Spanish aristocracy opening a third front against both the Republicans and Fascists. Which, as bad as Churchill was about a lot of things, isn't something he ever considered because he also wasn't a complete idiot. Luscious Snake posted:Eh, I think a lot of us are rooting for the Berber Union, so no need to go out of your way to break the game through exploiting the AI and giving Goons Benin as a plaster on self inflicted wounds, it'd make it harder for the Imariz Iniative to conquer the world. I actually had hope of an alliance with Russia and New England to smash the fash when the HOI part began. It's a big part of why I voted for Mizanur as Supreme Leader since targeting the CSE would have put us on the same side. But instead the soi disant liberals in Smolensk and Boston decided to abandon what they claimed were their core values for old school reactionary absolutism and outright fascism, respectively. gently caress both of them, in this world Iberia is actually a BRIGHT spot.
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habeasdorkus posted:gently caress both of them, in this world Iberia is actually a BRIGHT spot. I literally think this world has zero bright spots except maybe Denmark?
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Apr 16, 2019 19:17
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Top Hats Monthly posted:I literally think this world has zero bright spots except maybe Denmark? Denmark is fascist.
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Top Hats Monthly posted:I literally think this world has zero bright spots except maybe Denmark? This is the only timeline where the world's citizens likely want to move to Australia because it's probably safer than everywhere else. 
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habeasdorkus posted:I actually had hope of an alliance with Russia and New England to smash the fash when the HOI part began. It's a big part of why I voted for Mizanur as Supreme Leader since targeting the CSE would have put us on the same side. But instead the soi disant liberals in Smolensk and Boston decided to abandon what they claimed were their core values for old school reactionary absolutism and outright fascism, respectively. gently caress both of them, in this world Iberia is actually a BRIGHT spot. That's another possibility, because Russia's focus tree includes a branch to form a democratic alliance between themselves and either New England or Berber Union (slightly higher chance for the former), but it hinges on peaceful elections, which didn't happen in this game. Most spectator games ended in a free-for-all between the factions that formed though, so we probably would've somehow ended up in a war with them anyways.
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Super Jay Mann posted:This is the only timeline where the world's citizens likely want to move to Australia because it's probably safer than everywhere else. How are the relations between the Frankish Indochina and their League of Monarchies neighbors? Is Japan threatening to expand or send forces? And if so, what direction? Lmao if Benin gets dragged into an alliance because someone takes a potshot at OTL Philippines.
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Xelkelvos posted:How are the relations between the Frankish Indochina and their League of Monarchies neighbors? Is Japan threatening to expand or send forces? And if so, what direction? Lmao if Benin gets dragged into an alliance because someone takes a potshot at OTL Philippines. Japan has a focus to conquer the Philippines, but its looking like they're gonna focus on Red Turbans and Manchuria atm
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Apr 16, 2019 19:40
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Hashim posted:We've got level 5 forts along the Pyrenees at the moment, and with air superiority the peninsula is definitely secure for now. It'll be a different story when 300 Frankish divisions come at us via naval invasions and mass assault tactics though, which is why it's important to go on the offensive now whilst they're busy in Russia. Naval AI isn’t the brightest in this game, and you can easily fend off 300 Frankish divisions if you upgrade those forts. What’ll happen is they’ll land everywhere but the ports, do a bit of damage, run out of supply, and get encircled and die. It happens every game when japan fights China in vanilla.
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Hashim posted:Japan has a focus to conquer the Philippines, but its looking like they're gonna focus on Red Turbans and Manchuria atm Red Turbans are Paris Pact members and Manchuria is a League of Monarchies member. Assuming French Indochina responds to support their Pact bretherin, the multiparty war will continue in Asia, sans Communists.
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Xelkelvos posted:Red Turbans are Paris Pact members and Manchuria is a League of Monarchies member. Assuming French Indochina responds to support their Pact bretherin, the multiparty war will continue in Asia, sans Communists. Until our Ibrizi brethen liberates Free Indochina
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Yeah, the AI doesn't really understand how to handle the old dig in like a goddamn tick strategy, so the Pyrenees should hold if it comes to that. Especially if we have forts in mountains, ain't nothing getting through that unless you specifically prepare for it.
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Top Hats Monthly posted:I literally think this world has zero bright spots except maybe Denmark? The Berber Union is still reasonably democratic, I think. But yeah, it's bad news when your Leninist quasi-police state is actually one of the nicer places to live.
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Has the Iberian Union made any notable technological advances in armor or mechanized units? I assume getting fuel and rubber isn't a big issue at the moment, but I don't know much about how research works in HOI4. Never could get Republican Spain up to snuff in HOI3 and generally relied on abusing paratroopers for mobility.
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Top Hats Monthly posted:I literally think this world has zero bright spots except maybe Denmark? North Sea Kingdom, for an absolute monarchy with a whole bunch of reforms. Some of the Caribbean nations were some decent democracies. Uh... I think that might be it?
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Is there any chance of the fascists breaking the Pact to cannibalize each other? That would help.
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Top Hats Monthly posted:I literally think this world has zero bright spots except maybe Denmark? Denmark was fascist at the start of HoI, but they were conquered and became the last bastion of Socialist Germany, from which they rule a little slice of Africa. I wonder if Scandinavia will make a pass at them. Russia had a number of free democracies in its orbit, but their days are numbered. Caspian's already dead three times over. Bohemia, Cherson, and the Latin Empire are islands in the middle of fascist territory, although maybe they can make themselves look prickly enough to pull off the Switzerland strategy. I like the odds better on Suqutra so far, being an island off the coast of fascism-lite Egypt. Both inconvenient to invade and sequestered away from the bigger threat. They're probably all economically floundering and possibly starving from being newly isolated though.
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Yeah, I think people are forgetting that we don't have any loving oil anymore since the Balkans fell. That's a really big problem.
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In HoI, is it possible to end up in a situation where neither side can achieve complete victory? It just seems like we are grinding toward a scenario where Francia runs out of bodies to break through our forts and we run out of the resources needed to liberate the entire continent.
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orangelex44 posted:Yeah, I think people are forgetting that we don't have any loving oil anymore since the Balkans fell. That's a really big problem. We can buy oil in Mexico from the Ibrizi Communists there but have to ship it overseas, depending on if they've made it back up to Texas or not it could be either a modest amount of oil or all the oil we'd ever need.
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The Ibrizi communists have the Texas oilfields, for now. Holding them against the New England fascists, though...
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Relying on imports from across the Atlantic long term sounds like a bad idea. It might makes more sense to try and knock out Francia as soon as possible and then reinstall socialists in the Balkans. Capitulating Francia also makes it more likely for us to successfully recruit Benin, so Hashim is probably making that our priority. Alternatively, we could fully focus all of our attention to capitulate Egypt and seize back control of the Middle East immediately afterwards, but it’s a bit too late for that strategy now.
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Iberia can't put off Frankia any longer: it's only luck that the Manchu are a major power, otherwise they would be able to end the League of Monarchies with Russia's capitulation. If we beat them we can free up our allies in Provence, Germany, and Serbia to help us again, while we grind down the remainder of the Pact of Paris. If we don't, they may be able to convert all their occupied territory into puppets.
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Ok, but whatever we do when we enter Paris we should do everything in our power to avoid burning down Notre Dame. (two updates later, Iberian forces have entered Paris and burned down Notre Dame) WE ARE SO INCONSIDERATE.
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QuoProQuid posted:In HoI, is it possible to end up in a situation where neither side can achieve complete victory? Normally no, but if we reach a situation with an extended stalemate that has become very costly for both sides, then we can end the war via event. Grammarchist posted:Has the Iberian Union made any notable technological advances in armor or mechanized units? I assume getting fuel and rubber isn't a big issue at the moment, but I don't know much about how research works in HOI4. Never could get Republican Spain up to snuff in HOI3 and generally relied on abusing paratroopers for mobility. We've just researched mechanized units and medium tanks (I'll include some tech advancements in the next update), but oil is a rapidly-draining commodity at the moment so we may not be able to do much with it if Ibriz falls. Our current tank templates are a lot better now though, 6 tank brigades x 4 motorised and mostly equipped, so we've got that going for us. hashashash fucked around with this message at 04:08 on Apr 17, 2019 |
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MaxieSatan posted:Is there any chance of the fascists breaking the Pact to cannibalize each other? That would help. I think it's possible, but I don't think the AI does it. I've never seen it happen, anyway.
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Actually, now that I think about it, do we even have steel? I don't remember what Iberia has for resources, but I wouldn't be surprised if we're starved of basically everything. We really needed Russia and the Balkans to buy us more time. Knocking out Morocco was a necessary step strategically (we NEED control of the Strait, meaning we can't afford to let a hostile Morocco exist), but it meant that we couldn't help out against France that much for six months to a year. Going after Italy next is a bit less strictly necessary, but if we didn't the Fascists would and it lies directly between us and our only meaningful ally so it's hard to argue that it wasn't our next required target. That's another six months, and it required us to be finished with Morocco. Turns out that the eastern front couldn't hold out for 12 months; the Balkans were a bit overextended (or more likely, the AI didn't recognize the Franks were on the way, were too late to shift troops, and exacerbated the issue by emptying their front against the only country that could otherwise threaten them in Egypt). I think the only thing we could have tried was sending troops to hold at the Suez and prevent Egypt from rolling over the Balkans once they were threatened on the home front - it might not have helped all that much in the end, but at least we'd have control of access to the Med. As it is, we hold Italy but it's not a core and is probably hostile enough to require garrison troops, so it's a net manpower drain. At least it's a short, defensible front.
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“The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long.”
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orangelex44 posted:(or more likely, the AI didn't recognize the Franks were on the way, were too late to shift troops, and exacerbated the issue by emptying their front against the only country that could otherwise threaten them in Egypt). Pretty much exactly what happened 
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Hashim posted:Pretty much exactly what happened The AI is so bad at reorganizing their frontlines, sometimes they'll just move all their divisions away en masse, leaving the entire line empty. It's really bad.
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orangelex44 posted:Actually, now that I think about it, do we even have steel? I don't remember what Iberia has for resources, but I wouldn't be surprised if we're starved of basically everything. Hashim, can we please have a detailed overview of what’s going on with our resources? It seems like many of us have been blindly speculating since the fall of the CSE. How big of a stockpile do we have if/when Ibriz falls?
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I'm almost tempted to support an expeditionary force to try to hold the oil-producing regions of Ibriz, but given the sheer weight of poo poo that's about to come crashing down in the New World... Yeah, throwing everything at Paris, England or any viable Frankish front makes too much sense. Does HOI4 allow you to capture resource stockpiles in occupied territory prior to forcing capitulation outright?
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orangelex44 posted:Actually, now that I think about it, do we even have steel? I don't remember what Iberia has for resources, but I wouldn't be surprised if we're starved of basically everything. We really needed Russia and the Balkans to buy us more time. Knocking out Morocco was a necessary step strategically (we NEED control of the Strait, meaning we can't afford to let a hostile Morocco exist), but it meant that we couldn't help out against France that much for six months to a year. Going after Italy next is a bit less strictly necessary, but if we didn't the Fascists would and it lies directly between us and our only meaningful ally so it's hard to argue that it wasn't our next required target. That's another six months, and it required us to be finished with Morocco. Turns out that the eastern front couldn't hold out for 12 months; the Balkans were a bit overextended (or more likely, the AI didn't recognize the Franks were on the way, were too late to shift troops, and exacerbated the issue by emptying their front against the only country that could otherwise threaten them in Egypt). Spain has some steel in the base game, and given that we should be more industrialized than Spain was IRL we might even have more. Since we also hold Portugal, we should also have a hell of a lot of Tungsten. Snipee posted:Hashim, can we please have a detailed overview of what’s going on with our resources? It seems like many of us have been blindly speculating since the fall of the CSE. How big of a stockpile do we have if/when Ibriz falls? Resources aren't actually stockpiled, so when your supply dries up then that's that.
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Cerebral Bore posted:Spain has some steel in the base game, and given that we should be more industrialized than Spain was IRL we might even have more. Since we also hold Portugal, we should also have a hell of a lot of Tungsten. With the notable exception of fuel after the latest patch/expansion. That will probably matter, a lot. sheep-dodger posted:The AI is so bad at reorganizing their frontlines, sometimes they'll just move all their divisions away en masse, leaving the entire line empty. It's really bad. This can happen to the player too; for example, sometimes if you extend a front line by two provinces the game movement AI decides the best option is to move EVERY SINGLE ONE of the divisions in the army, losing all of their dug-in bonuses, and usually will give an extra gently caress you by making sure half the divisions will move far enough to engage strategic movement mechanics to lose organization as well. Supposedly they fixed some of this a few months ago, but in my experience as of January it still seemed to happen pretty regularly.
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