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MrKatharsis
Nov 29, 2003

feel the bern

halokiller posted:

Bellevue is the real-life version of Simpsons' Cypress Creek. But instead of one rich supervillain, there are several.

Even the trees are the same. I very strongly suspect that they had Bellevue/Redmond in mind when they drew up that episode.

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Bar Ran Dun
Jan 22, 2006




pseudorandom name posted:

Bellevue isn't just clean, Bellevue is an aseptic ghost town that empties out a 5 PM

This is a large percentage of American cities and it suuucccks.

pseudanonymous
Aug 30, 2008

When you make the second entry and the debits and credits balance, and you blow them to hell.

I wish they'd treat him like he was black, jackboot into his home "find a gun there" and throw him in prison for resisting arrest and assault and battery forever.

plainswalker75
Feb 22, 2003

Pigs are smarter than Bears, but they can't ride motorcycles
Hair Elf

Good, gently caress that guy forever

silicone thrills
Jan 9, 2008

I paint things
Ding Dong the Caucus System is Dead! (For presidential primary)

Caucusing was cute and all but the fact is that it was hella classist. Glad it's dead.

https://komonews.com/news/local/washington-democrats-to-use-results-of-presidential-primary

Solkanar512
Dec 28, 2006

by the sex ghost

silicone thrills posted:

Ding Dong the Caucus System is Dead! (For presidential primary)

Caucusing was cute and all but the fact is that it was hella classist. Glad it's dead.

https://komonews.com/news/local/washington-democrats-to-use-results-of-presidential-primary

Caucuses loving SUCK SO loving HARD

The Puppy Bowl
Jan 31, 2013

A dog, in the house.

*woof*
In the era of absolute Republican atrocity it's nice to know that a Democratic supermajority can still compete with some repugnant class warfare legislation.

https://www.opb.org/news/article/oregon-pers-plan-kate-brown-retirement-schools-kicker/

HashtagGirlboss
Jan 4, 2005

The Puppy Bowl posted:

In the era of absolute Republican atrocity it's nice to know that a Democratic supermajority can still compete with some repugnant class warfare legislation.

https://www.opb.org/news/article/oregon-pers-plan-kate-brown-retirement-schools-kicker/

I don’t get why public employees specifically are supposed to shoulder an outsized burden. I guess people think it’s fair because they got the retirement benefits so they should make up for them being apparently too generous? But they were offered for public service right so I feel like once you scrape away the surface it doesn’t hold up.

Kicker is idiotic policy. I mean - it’s nice to get and all but it’s just stupid policy.

therobit
Aug 19, 2008

I've been tryin' to speak with you for a long time

xrunner posted:

I don’t get why public employees specifically are supposed to shoulder an outsized burden. I guess people think it’s fair because they got the retirement benefits so they should make up for them being apparently too generous? But they were offered for public service right so I feel like once you scrape away the surface it doesn’t hold up.

Kicker is idiotic policy. I mean - it’s nice to get and all but it’s just stupid policy.

Growing up here I can't tell you grow many bienniums we had both massive cuts to schools and also a kicker check because of the moronic way the kicker law works.

The PERS debacle is pretty bad. A lot of those workers (mostly boomers) had more generous retirement packages in exchange for not getting pay raises or market rate wages, and they were part of deals negotiated with the public employee unions.

At the same time the whole system is broken. I think what really hammered us is allowing people to retire at 52 and begin drawing benefits right away. That was a key part of how Washington fixed their system. Another issue was investment accounts with guaranteed returns, which never should have been offered. We waited so long to fix it that the unfunded liability is huge.

Oregon schools got the largest funding increase in history last year or the year before and yet they are making huge cuts to classrooms. They just plays badly tipp the electorate. I think the state needs to be eating the difference, and may need to make cuts elsewhere instead.

My feeling is that the state got the benefit of not paying higher wages for all those years so they can drat well eat the cost, but it is going require additional taxes (probably a sales tax) to fix.

RuanGacho
Jun 20, 2002

"You're gunna break it!"

therobit posted:

Growing up here I can't tell you grow many bienniums we had both massive cuts to schools and also a kicker check because of the moronic way the kicker law works.

The PERS debacle is pretty bad. A lot of those workers (mostly boomers) had more generous retirement packages in exchange for not getting pay raises or market rate wages, and they were part of deals negotiated with the public employee unions.

At the same time the whole system is broken. I think what really hammered us is allowing people to retire at 52 and begin drawing benefits right away. That was a key part of how Washington fixed their system. Another issue was investment accounts with guaranteed returns, which never should have been offered. We waited so long to fix it that the unfunded liability is huge.

Oregon schools got the largest funding increase in history last year or the year before and yet they are making huge cuts to classrooms. They just plays badly tipp the electorate. I think the state needs to be eating the difference, and may need to make cuts elsewhere instead.

My feeling is that the state got the benefit of not paying higher wages for all those years so they can drat well eat the cost, but it is going require additional taxes (probably a sales tax) to fix.

A good long term project would probably be taxes being unified across the coast states (should be whole country but I dont think we could get it done in presently red states)

Theres always this idea of free market place of ideas nonsense but we have some structural issues to address if we're going to make it through the next 100 years.

Personally i think GST sounds like a plausible fix.

RuanGacho fucked around with this message at 18:07 on Apr 13, 2019

HashtagGirlboss
Jan 4, 2005

therobit posted:

Growing up here I can't tell you grow many bienniums we had both massive cuts to schools and also a kicker check because of the moronic way the kicker law works.

The PERS debacle is pretty bad. A lot of those workers (mostly boomers) had more generous retirement packages in exchange for not getting pay raises or market rate wages, and they were part of deals negotiated with the public employee unions.

At the same time the whole system is broken. I think what really hammered us is allowing people to retire at 52 and begin drawing benefits right away. That was a key part of how Washington fixed their system. Another issue was investment accounts with guaranteed returns, which never should have been offered. We waited so long to fix it that the unfunded liability is huge.

Oregon schools got the largest funding increase in history last year or the year before and yet they are making huge cuts to classrooms. They just plays badly tipp the electorate. I think the state needs to be eating the difference, and may need to make cuts elsewhere instead.

My feeling is that the state got the benefit of not paying higher wages for all those years so they can drat well eat the cost, but it is going require additional taxes (probably a sales tax) to fix.

Yeah. Asking current employees to carry a quarter of the weight just feels obscene. I’m really not informed enough to know if raiding the workers comp fund makes sense. It doesn’t sound like the worst idea if the fund is as flush with cash as they claim.

I can’t imagine how you’d get a sales tax enacted here - whether it’s good policy or not - it’s such an unpopular concept that they’ve started to call other taxes “hidden sales taxes” in order to shortcut public outcry.

I still think a selective penny or two sales tax on food/drink in places with liquor licenses would be a great revenue source both for Portland and Oregon more generally. But I can’t tell you the disgusted glares I get whenever I float that idea.

RuanGacho posted:

A good long term project would probably be taxes being unified across the coast states (should be whole country but I dont think we could get it done in presently red states)

Theres always this idea of free market place of ideas nonsense but we have some structural issues to address if we're going to make it through the next 100 years.

Personally i think GST sounds like a plausible fix.

I was looking at Canada’s GST/HST and PST for work reasons last week. I was kind of surprised to learn BC had signed on to their national tax then revolted and went back to doing its own sales tax thing. So I guess our states gotta be special ways don’t stop at the northern border.

HashtagGirlboss fucked around with this message at 18:14 on Apr 13, 2019

therobit
Aug 19, 2008

I've been tryin' to speak with you for a long time

xrunner posted:

Yeah. Asking current employees to carry a quarter of the weight just feels obscene. I’m really not informed enough to know if raiding the workers comp fund makes sense. It doesn’t sound like the worst idea if the fund is as flush with cash as they claim.

I can’t imagine how you’d get a sales tax enacted here - whether it’s good policy or not - it’s such an unpopular concept that they’ve started to call other taxes “hidden sales taxes” in order to shortcut public outcry.

I still think a selective penny or two sales tax on food/drink in places with liquor licenses would be a great revenue source both for Portland and Oregon more generally. But I can’t tell you the disgusted glares I get whenever I float that idea.

I am suspicious of any of Kate Brown's ideas along these lines since she decided it would be a great idea to sell off Eliot State Forest and other state assets and agencies so she can do some pork barrel spending and I assume enrich herself and her cronies.

The Puppy Bowl
Jan 31, 2013

A dog, in the house.

*woof*
While the kicker is awful and I want it to die it's still a tax rebate that actually gets to real people. A much more egalitarian idea would be to simply tax business and corporate profit in the state at even baseline sane levels. Nike and Intel have legislatively established crazy tax policy for themselves. https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2018/11/power_play_nike_takes_a_big_ro.html?outputType=amp

Far more importantly, there is no underfunding crisis with PERS! Our current 71% funding figure is for all the pensions that have been earned today. As in, if every single public employee retired today. Which of course is not even possible. Nobody would miss a single pension check until around 20-30% funding. It's also an issue that is solving itself. The tier 1 employees are old and we arent making any more of them. Haven't been for nearly 20 years.That means that those with the most generous benefit are dying off. If we simply targeted 100% funding for a 40 yr timeframe instead of a 20 year timeframe we would have more than enough money to address an actual crisis of underfunding in our school system.

This mess is just more conservative philosophy masquerading as economics. Oh, we can't take money from the job creators so we have to gut unions, education, and public services. No worries, we can just privatize everything and the market will fix it all.

RuanGacho
Jun 20, 2002

"You're gunna break it!"

The Puppy Bowl posted:

While the kicker is awful and I want it to die it's still a tax rebate that actually gets to real people. A much more egalitarian idea would be to simply tax business and corporate profit in the state at even baseline sane levels. Nike and Intel have legislatively established crazy tax policy for themselves. https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2018/11/power_play_nike_takes_a_big_ro.html?outputType=amp

Far more importantly, there is no underfunding crisis with PERS! Our current 71% funding figure is for all the pensions that have been earned today. As in, if every single public employee retired today. Which of course is not even possible. Nobody would miss a single pension check until around 20-30% funding. It's also an issue that is solving itself. The tier 1 employees are old and we arent making any more of them. Haven't been for nearly 20 years.That means that those with the most generous benefit are dying off. If we simply targeted 100% funding for a 40 yr timeframe instead of a 20 year timeframe we would have more than enough money to address an actual crisis of underfunding in our school system.

This mess is just more conservative philosophy masquerading as economics. Oh, we can't take money from the job creators so we have to gut unions, education, and public services. No worries, we can just privatize everything and the market will fix it all.

Yeah i have to admit my initial reaction to the PERS story is "how did you gently caress that up?"

George
Nov 27, 2004

No love for your made-up things.
God drat it, that "Seattle is Dying" piece Sinclair made really seems to be getting traction. I keep running into people who are convinced that it's the poor and vulnerable we need to poo poo on to turn the ship around.

DR FRASIER KRANG
Feb 4, 2005

"Are you forgetting that just this afternoon I was punched in the face by a turtle now dead?
Do any of them live in Seattle

RuanGacho
Jun 20, 2002

"You're gunna break it!"

https://crosscut.com/2019/03/6-reasons-why-komos-take-homelessness-wrong-one

Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.
Grimey Drawer
Can we just start calling CPS on people who think the answer to seeing a homeless drug addict on the street is to have the cops throw them in jail?

Because honestly, those people are a threat to their children, and if they're allowed to continue raising them, their children are a threat to society. loving psychopaths.

George
Nov 27, 2004

No love for your made-up things.

poo poo POST MALONE posted:

Do any of them live in Seattle

Yeah. This poo poo is calculated and insidious.

Teabag Dome Scandal
Mar 19, 2002


poo poo POST MALONE posted:

Do any of them live in Seattle

Its been loving weeks and its still all anyone in Columbia City talks about. We had a slight detour when the cops put that mobile intimidation tower in the safeway parking lot tho.

DR FRASIER KRANG
Feb 4, 2005

"Are you forgetting that just this afternoon I was punched in the face by a turtle now dead?
Is this like actual conversation with your neighbors or online discourse on NextDoor?

im on the net me boys
Feb 19, 2017

Hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhjjhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhjhhhhhhjhhhhhhhhhjjjhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh cannabis

George posted:

God drat it, that "Seattle is Dying" piece Sinclair made really seems to be getting traction. I keep running into people who are convinced that it's the poor and vulnerable we need to poo poo on to turn the ship around.

I keep seeing it in my Youtube recommendations and I still refuse to watch it.

George
Nov 27, 2004

No love for your made-up things.

poo poo POST MALONE posted:

Is this like actual conversation with your neighbors or online discourse on NextDoor?

I work for the city, public-facing. It's not just "the public" but other city staff who've lived here all their lives, from every part of town.

Steering them away from making GBS threads on the homeless has been tough but super important. We need a counter.

Freakazoid_
Jul 5, 2013


Buglord

George posted:

God drat it, that "Seattle is Dying" piece Sinclair made really seems to be getting traction. I keep running into people who are convinced that it's the poor and vulnerable we need to poo poo on to turn the ship around.

I was duped into watching the first half hour of it recently. At first I was like it sure is cop focused and they like this one homeless guy who's deliberately an rear end in a top hat, but it is an hour long maybe the other side of the argument is coming soon? But then came the demonstration against Kshama and I was like ohhhh nooooo.

GodFish
Oct 10, 2012

We're your first, last, and only line of defense. We live in secret. We exist in shadow.

And we dress in black.
I watched the first few minutes, got really mad, skipped ten minutes in and got madder, skipped maybe halfway in and got furious and turned it off.

A SOF Marine
May 29, 2013

Freakazoid_ posted:

I was duped into watching the first half hour of it recently. At first I was like it sure is cop focused and they like this one homeless guy who's deliberately an rear end in a top hat, but it is an hour long maybe the other side of the argument is coming soon? But then came the demonstration against Kshama and I was like ohhhh nooooo.

This part made me laugh. I was physically present as someone was watching it and while the narrative was bad and wrong, it was generally coherent. Until that section, which was out of step with everything. Anyway, unfortunately that video is really resonating with PNW Chuds.

Teabag Dome Scandal
Mar 19, 2002


poo poo POST MALONE posted:

Is this like actual conversation with your neighbors or online discourse on NextDoor?

both

Oscar Wild
Apr 11, 2006

It's good to be a G
https://twitter.com/jason_a_w/status/1119602752173166593?s=19

Wow, this Jack Robertson doesnt sound like a very nice neighbor.

Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.
Grimey Drawer

Oscar Wild posted:

https://twitter.com/jason_a_w/status/1119602752173166593?s=19

Wow, this Jack Robertson doesnt sound like a very nice neighbor.
Just remember, the people of Eastern Washington re-elected Matt Shea after knowing exactly what kind of human garbage he is.

Revalis Enai
Apr 21, 2003
<img src="https://fi.somethingawful.com/customtitles/title-revalis_enai.gif"><br>Wait, what's my phone number again?
Fun Shoe

George posted:

God drat it, that "Seattle is Dying" piece Sinclair made really seems to be getting traction. I keep running into people who are convinced that it's the poor and vulnerable we need to poo poo on to turn the ship around.

It popped up on my recommended list on Youtube and I watched it. The whole video felt really off but once I heard the word Sinclair I was like oh ok. But yeah the video was like 'look at all the drugged up homeless people loving up properties of good citizens of Seattle. Let's lock them up in a 'facility' where they can get proper 'help'.'

In short, the video was a total waste of time.

Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.
Grimey Drawer

Oscar Wild posted:

https://twitter.com/jason_a_w/status/1119602752173166593?s=19

Wow, this Jack Robertson doesnt sound like a very nice neighbor.

Democrats call for expulsion of Shea, Republicans defend or refuse to acknowledge his behavior.

The Dems have a majority, I don't understand why they don't just immediately expel him from all of his committees.

pseudanonymous
Aug 30, 2008

When you make the second entry and the debits and credits balance, and you blow them to hell.

Thanatosian posted:

Democrats call for expulsion of Shea, Republicans defend or refuse to acknowledge his behavior.

The Dems have a majority, I don't understand why they don't just immediately expel him from all of his committees.

One hopes they are giving them enough rope to hang themselves. But it's probably :decorum:

Professor Beetus
Apr 12, 2007

They can fight us
But they'll never Beetus

Thanatosian posted:

Democrats call for expulsion of Shea, Republicans defend or refuse to acknowledge his behavior.

The Dems have a majority, I don't understand why they don't just immediately expel him from all of his committees.

Well with a dem majority this safe it's not like they have much motivation to do anything beyond maintain our lovely status quo. I'd really like to see the various WA State DSAs pick up steam and start breathing fire from the left but I think a ton of people are super complacent about our politics here because "blue state lol".

George
Nov 27, 2004

No love for your made-up things.
The DSA is packed to the gills with Liberals trying to teach the Democrats a lesson without actually pulling them left.

Solkanar512
Dec 28, 2006

by the sex ghost

Thanatosian posted:

Democrats call for expulsion of Shea, Republicans defend or refuse to acknowledge his behavior.

The Dems have a majority, I don't understand why they don't just immediately expel him from all of his committees.

Is that all it takes to expel a member? It sounded like they were giving the republicans a chance to clean their own house but I’m not sure for how long.

Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.
Grimey Drawer

Solkanar512 posted:

Is that all it takes to expel a member? It sounded like they were giving the republicans a chance to clean their own house but I’m not sure for how long.
"All" it takes is conspiring with terrorists? Yeah, I guess so.

RuanGacho
Jun 20, 2002

"You're gunna break it!"

George posted:

The DSA is packed to the gills with Liberals trying to teach the Democrats a lesson without actually pulling them left.

Are the PNW DSA orgs full of centrist types because im glad we beat Rossi but man Schrier stinks hard of decorum and i would not be surprised to learn we have small L libertarians clogging things up.

George
Nov 27, 2004

No love for your made-up things.

RuanGacho posted:

Are the PNW DSA orgs full of centrist types because im glad we beat Rossi but man Schrier stinks hard of decorum and i would not be surprised to learn we have small L libertarians clogging things up.

It's not as bad as I'm making it sound, it's just that when a bunch of Democrats get disillusioned and turn to Democratic Socialism they tend to be mired in a lot of centrist thinking.

Solkanar512
Dec 28, 2006

by the sex ghost

Thanatosian posted:

"All" it takes is conspiring with terrorists? Yeah, I guess so.

Dude, calm down a bit. I’m literally just expressing surprise that it would only take a simple majority to expel someone from the state legislature or their committees. I thought it would take a super majority for the former and party leaders to do the latter.

I have no loving clue what your response even means.

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Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.
Grimey Drawer

Solkanar512 posted:

Dude, calm down a bit. I’m literally just expressing surprise that it would only take a simple majority to expel someone from the state legislature or their committees. I thought it would take a super majority for the former and party leaders to do the latter.

I have no loving clue what your response even means.
Oh, sorry, I thought you were saying that's all it takes to get kicked out, and that seems unreasonable.

Expelling from the House I have no idea, but the leadership controls the committees, and should be able to drop him from all of them with a simple majority, I would expect.

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