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So I'm a lapsed Rider viewer, and between Henshin History and a buddy of mine creating possibly the worst Rider podcast concept ever*, it's dragging me back in from where I fell off early in Drive. I'm watching Zi-o for now, trying Amazons because the concept intrigues me, and have Ex-Aid next on the list, but I guess my question would be, since I just want to really revel in some bullshit after, what's the best grudge-gently caress of a series to watch if I want the worst experience afterwards? Discussion a page or so back made it sound like Wizard or Ghost is a good choice, but didn't know if something else was out there and just never spoken of. edit: gently caress me of course this tops a page * He's taking two entirely new-to-Rider viewers through Decade and Zi-o on alternating weeks, but the Decade stuff is complicated because every time a prior Rider appears in the show, they watch the entirety of that show before continuing. As one of the newbies put it: "You know we're half a year into this and we've seen more of Decade in Zi-o than his own show, right?"
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END ME SCOOB posted:So I'm a lapsed Rider viewer, and between Henshin History and a buddy of mine creating possibly the worst Rider podcast concept ever*, it's dragging me back in from where I fell off early in Drive. I'm watching Zi-o for now, trying Amazons because the concept intrigues me, and have Ex-Aid next on the list, but I guess my question would be, since I just want to really revel in some bullshit after, what's the best grudge-gently caress of a series to watch if I want the worst experience afterwards? Discussion a page or so back made it sound like Wizard or Ghost is a good choice, but didn't know if something else was out there and just never spoken of. Ghost would be better than Wizard for that in my opinion. Wizard is just boring, nothing interesting happens, everything is predictable, and only one character is enjoyable. Meanwhile, Ghost constantly dangles the idea that the series will go places only for it not to, that characters will matter only for them not to, that Takeru will grow a personality and progress his plot only for status quo to win in the end. Wizard is boring, Ghost is rage-inducing, and the latter seems better for your wish there. Talking about Wizard, here's the only good character in it! And also another guy that shares his colour scheme. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utWFS9rNN3o&t=22s "The golden lion that unleashed his power, Beast Hyper!" "Armor Time! Hyper! Beast Hyper!" "Finish Time! Hyper Magnum Time Break/Burst!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9O1f3NCZK8&t=23s "The meteor storm that awakened to friendship, Meteor Storm!" "Armor Time! Meteor Storm! Meteor Storm!" (is this a Drive Rider) "Finish Time! Limit Time Break/Burst!" Blaze Dragon fucked around with this message at 13:15 on Apr 16, 2019 |
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Apr 16, 2019 13:11
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END ME SCOOB posted:So I'm a lapsed Rider viewer, and between Henshin History and a buddy of mine creating possibly the worst Rider podcast concept ever*, it's dragging me back in from where I fell off early in Drive. I'm watching Zi-o for now, trying Amazons because the concept intrigues me, and have Ex-Aid next on the list, but I guess my question would be, since I just want to really revel in some bullshit after, what's the best grudge-gently caress of a series to watch if I want the worst experience afterwards? Discussion a page or so back made it sound like Wizard or Ghost is a good choice, but didn't know if something else was out there and just never spoken of. Seconding Ghost as the worst Rider show I've seen so far and it will probably keep that title. Wizard is a slog at times but it has some moments (Beast) that make me not regret watching Wizard. It goes through the motions and has a clear as day theme "don't give into despair, thing will get better". Ghost on the other hand. Ghost feels like that improve game where you go around in a circle and each person adds a sentence to a story. Like there are episodes that make me wonder if different film crews were brought on each week without seeing the pervious episodes. And the actors only explained their character's name, job, and if they had any special powers. It's a mess from start to finish. Here is a mini list of show issues that needed fixing. - The shows ticking clock gets unplugged. - Major villian has no interaction with protagonist. - Major villian is defeated by his own actions. - Secondary riders are incapable of beating up anyone but the protagonist. Protagonist preaches the power of friendship. Yet abandons them to sulk about his own problems. - Is easily upset and whines whenever a new obstacle appears. - Has to relearn life lessons over the course of the show. - Has to relearn the same life lessons within a single episode. - Uses ghost powers to be depressed more often than in fights. - Channels the spirits of legendary people to fight. Loses often. - Given power ups he doesn't deserve. - Takeru seems able to psych himself out during fights. Especially against riders. - Requires constant pep talks and reassurance from eyecons in order to find a motivation. - Gets power ups that reflect his shortcomings. Wizard is a bland pasta with only parmesan cheese and no sauce. But it's got a great salad(beast) and a few good meatballs. Ghost is a Quiznos sub with all of the ingredients you hate. Then put in a blender so you can't pick out the parts you don't want and you know it wasn't really going to be that good in the first place. I never hear good things about Hibiki or Kiva so maybe check those out if you want.
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Apr 16, 2019 16:23
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END ME SCOOB posted:So I'm a lapsed Rider viewer, and between Henshin History and a buddy of mine creating possibly the worst Rider podcast concept ever*, it's dragging me back in from where I fell off early in Drive. I'm watching Zi-o for now, trying Amazons because the concept intrigues me, and have Ex-Aid next on the list, but I guess my question would be, since I just want to really revel in some bullshit after, what's the best grudge-gently caress of a series to watch if I want the worst experience afterwards? Discussion a page or so back made it sound like Wizard or Ghost is a good choice, but didn't know if something else was out there and just never spoken of. Goodkind broke you didn't he. 
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Apr 16, 2019 16:29
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Sazabi posted:Seconding Ghost as the worst Rider show I've seen so far and it will probably keep that title. Wizard is a slog at times but it has some moments (Beast) that make me not regret watching Wizard. It goes through the motions and has a clear as day theme "don't give into despair, thing will get better". Kiva is better than Hibiki (which arguably has less of plot than Decade and kind of devolves into a mess later on due to executive meddling) but that’s not saying a whole lot. Also if you care I think only TVN has subbed either show fully. In fact, I would actually go so far as to say the Decade version of Hibiki is honestly better than the actual show. Larryb fucked around with this message at 16:38 on Apr 16, 2019 |
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Apr 16, 2019 16:35
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Sazabi posted:It's a mess from start to finish. Here is a mini list of show issues that needed fixing. Also: -Every Rider has a catchphrase but they're mostly used in appropiate times. This is not the case with Takeru, who starts with two and adds another one with each important power-up: these are used at the very least once per episode and they're incredibly irritating and repetitive. -Main plot point for the very last plot-relevant, that closes out the entire series, comes from a spin-off that you likely wouldn't watch if you're focusing on the series proper because it screams unimportant and non-canon (it's a crossover spin-off where Takeru and Makoto get the Eyecons of previous Heisei Riders) -It has a female Rider!...for all of a minute, in which she transforms, performs a finishing move, and gets owned by the backlash after it gets blocked, destroying her transformation device. quote:I never hear good things about Hibiki or Kiva so maybe check those out if you want. Kiva was my first series and I hold it dear but it has some issues. That said, it's nowhere near as bad as Wizard or Ghost, it's a decently watchable series with a good cast that really shouldn't have tried to focus on the entire cast, two-time gimmick be damned. Hibiki may genuinely be the most anger-inducing one though, if only because of the extreme disconnect between the first and second halves thanks to some legendary meddling.
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Apr 16, 2019 16:48
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Zedd posted:Goodkind broke you didn't he. What? No. I just realized I've been cherry-picking okay-to-good seasons in the stuff I've seen and wanted the other end for comparison. I've seen bad Godzilla or similar but realized I don't really have a mental image of what lovely Rider is like. Ghost it is, then! Thanks, y'all, I'll get on that in a week or two.
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Apr 16, 2019 19:47
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Blaze Dragon posted:Also: One of the coolest moments in shows like these is when characters respond or sass each other's catchphrases. It's both an acknowledgement that the character said it out loud in ear shot of others. While going pretty far in showing chapter Dynamics without a bunch of exposition. I remember it happening a lot in Ex-Aid and sometimes in W, but not many other series. At least not as many as I remember or would like. Also good to hear Kiva and Hibiki have issues but aren't without high points.
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Apr 16, 2019 22:47
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Ghost really wasn't that bad. The characters were all likeable or at the very least bland. They weren't actively irritating like shunpei and gremlin. I think that ghost gets a lot more hate than it deserves because it was sandwiched between two of the best riders in the era and its only sin was being merely OK. Wizard has no loving excuse.
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Apr 16, 2019 23:29
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Gremlin is one of the few entertaining characters in Wizard next to occasional sass Haruto, Nitou and Phoenix. Everyone else is pretty much bland or so one-dimensional they might as well be cardboard cutouts.
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Apr 16, 2019 23:31
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GuyUpNorth posted:Gremlin is one of the few entertaining characters in Wizard next to occasional sass Haruto, Nitou and Phoenix. Everyone else is pretty much bland or so one-dimensional they might as well be cardboard cutouts. Counterpoint he was an annoying pointless poo poo
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Apr 16, 2019 23:43
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I definitely see where people can dislike Wizard more because it at least had the chance to be a much better show. Ghost was just boring and terrible all around.
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Apr 17, 2019 00:04
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You can kind of see what Wizard was going for that it fell flat on. Ghost is incoherent at the roots.
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Apr 17, 2019 00:13
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Gremlin was a villain they should have had in Drive, Gaim or Build. The idea of an emotionless monster who wants to become human again because he was formerly a serial killer and wants to get back to enjoying it is a cool one but it didn't work with how inconsistent Wizard's tone could be. Spoilered since it's one of the few neat reveals in Wizard. Justin_Brett fucked around with this message at 00:44 on Apr 17, 2019 |
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Apr 17, 2019 00:33
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Man, the way you guys talk about Wizard really makes me wonder if you guys saw the same show I did.GuyUpNorth posted:Gremlin is one of the few entertaining characters in Wizard next to occasional sass Haruto, Nitou and Phoenix. Everyone else is pretty much bland or so one-dimensional they might as well be cardboard cutouts. Counterpoint: Rinko is great.
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Apr 17, 2019 01:03
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I can't speak for Wizard but to me Ghost had so much wasted potential, and the ways it wasted the potential were just so infuriating. It was like every time it seemed like they'd come upon a great idea they immediately squandered it, and the writing always made characters choose the least sensible option for dealing with any situation.
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Apr 17, 2019 01:17
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King of Solomon posted:Counterpoint: Rinko is great. If only she did anything ever.
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Apr 17, 2019 01:22
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Some Numbers posted:If only she did anything ever. Maybe I'm remembering things incorrectly, but I generally recall her doing more than anyone that didn't have a belt. She was really good, and also should have been a Kamen Rider.
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Apr 17, 2019 01:24
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King of Solomon posted:Maybe I'm remembering things incorrectly, but I generally recall her doing more than anyone that didn't have a belt. She was really good, and also should have been a Kamen Rider. Yeah, the first half of the show Rinko was fantastic. Later it seemed like they didn't have anything to do with her and she got dumped into silly Shunpei plots. She definitely should've been a Rider outside of that one movie.
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Apr 17, 2019 01:34
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King of Solomon posted:and also (she) should have been a Kamen Rider.
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Apr 17, 2019 01:50
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Some Numbers posted:This can be applied to a lot of female characters. No disagreement there.
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Apr 17, 2019 01:51
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On the topic of Ghost I thought it was decent enough through the point where I stopped watching it(Toukon Boost debuting), everything I've heard indicates it quickly goes downhill after that though
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Apr 17, 2019 02:05
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https://twitter.com/BScrubbed/status/1118325818948714496?s=19 This has strong April Fools energy but apparently DK never got a US DVD release.
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Apr 17, 2019 03:33
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Are we talking about the same Rinko who pulls Phoenix out of his depression so he can get motivated to kill with passion? I knew she was gonna be hopeless when she needs Haruto to save her from despair in the first episode. Just imagine how powerful it would have been if she overcame her sadness on her own and maybe got to use her gate later in the series. But nope. Helpless lady needs a man with a giant Ruby for a face. Also like it or not but the old shop keep contributes more than any other none Beast by virtue of he makes the rings. Please. I will give probs to the belt sounds. Both provide several entertaining ring tones.
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Apr 17, 2019 04:23
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Motto posted:This has strong April Fools energy but apparently DK never got a US DVD release. Their April Fool's release was subbing "so embarassing to Sunrise we don't talk about it" Canadian live-action Gundam film G-Saviour. EDIT: Dragon Knight was popular enough in Japan that it also got a sequel novel named, I kid you not, 2WORLDS1HEART. gourdcaptain fucked around with this message at 05:00 on Apr 17, 2019 |
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Apr 17, 2019 04:42
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I enjoyed Rider Time Ryuki even though it felt pretty rushed. It got pretty hosed up, which is what I guess is going to be the norm for the online only shows. Rogue was just prison murder porn. The continuity problems I just hand waved off as Sougo subconsciously writing time down to justify a paradox(because that's what Sougo can do, gently caress why not). All imperfect history is Sougo's fault send him hatemail. All I can say for Ghost is I like the hooded costume design. Wizard's look dumb in some crossover movie I watched but looked cooler in Zi-O, that's all I have to weigh in on that.
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Apr 17, 2019 05:01
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I started watching W as my first Kamen Rider series after pretty much just watching Super Sentai from tokusatsu. So far this is great, I love a good noir story and the poo poo shoutaro gets for pretending to be hard boiled is great. Only like a few eps in, but where would W fall on the scale of good to bad Kamen Rider? Also in watching one of the herotime spots on it I realized I’m watching the Kamen Rider for my first that came out with Shinkenger, which was the first super sentai I watched. Kinda funny.
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Apr 17, 2019 05:15
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Everyone loves W. Good characters, the two-episode format wasn't played out yet, and the toys are fun as poo poo.
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Apr 17, 2019 05:20
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w was a very good show with a few very bad episodes.
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Apr 17, 2019 05:23
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:w was a very good show with a few very bad episodes. This is pretty much it, yeah. It has some issues, but there are very few episodes I would call terrible. His Secondary Rider hijacks the plot for way too long, though, so that's one of the downsides.
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Apr 17, 2019 05:27
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If there's one thing I could accuse it of It loses that noir style it kind of had early on and in some of the movies REALLY bad by the end.
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Apr 17, 2019 05:39
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I don't think W is many peoples favorite. But always in the 5 or 10 depending on how many the individual has seen. Fang
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Apr 17, 2019 07:08
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i wish they'd done anything vaguely like that opening scene of w in the rest of the show.
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LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:I started watching W as my first Kamen Rider series after pretty much just watching Super Sentai from tokusatsu. So far this is great, I love a good noir story and the poo poo shoutaro gets for pretending to be hard boiled is great. Only like a few eps in, but where would W fall on the scale of good to bad Kamen Rider? It's my favorite. Excellent pay off, good use of the 2 part episode structure, good characters and a toy gimmick that doesn't get in the way of the story. END ME SCOOB posted:What? No. I just realized I've been cherry-picking okay-to-good seasons in the stuff I've seen and wanted the other end for comparison. I've seen bad Godzilla or similar but realized I don't really have a mental image of what lovely Rider is like. Who was the worse Character, Shunpei from Wizard or bald screaming monk guy from Ghost? I'm thinking Shunpei, because I don't think he gets any moment to shine at all whereas monk guy actually does recognize he's terrible.
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Apr 17, 2019 08:08
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Darth TNT posted:Who was the worse Character, Shunpei from Wizard or bald screaming monk guy from Ghost? Shunpei because after Onari calms down from the first three or five episodes it turns out he's actually fuckin' great.
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Apr 17, 2019 09:04
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Darth TNT posted:It's my favorite. Excellent pay off, good use of the 2 part episode structure, good characters and a toy gimmick that doesn't get in the way of the story. Even entertaining the idea that they can be in the same league. To compare Onari to Shunpei is like comparing a delivery pizza with toppings you don't like to a pair of homeless men jerking off into a gallon jug and pouring a months worth of spunk onto your pillow.
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Apr 17, 2019 09:09
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don't kinkshame
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Apr 17, 2019 09:12
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As self-proclaimed leader of the "Shunpei wasn't THAT bad" brigade I can say with confidence that Shunpei was much worse than Onari ever was Ghost needed more Onari backstory
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Apr 17, 2019 09:49
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Onari had a great moment nearish the end where after loving up he expressed personal doubts and fears over being useless compared to everyone and they followed it up by never having him contribute anything notable and whatever Takeru had said to him at the time was pretty forgettable and useless. Then again after what happens with Specter that's hardly a bad thing.
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Did y'all see the summary for the Ghost Novel? It like, triples down on the bullshit from the Specter movie. it turns out Chloe has the spirit/memory/essence of Takeru' mom in her, and he uses the mugen eyecon to restore his mom to life from inside her, at the cost of half his life So then he marries chloe and dies of his third heart attack at 38, before haunting his son disguised as the Sage in order to...give him courage??? I dunno
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