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dogstile posted:Imagine what we'll know in another 4000! How to swim I imagine
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LonsomeSon posted:Mars can't be terraformed because its core is dead and it has no magnetosphere; unsuited, unmodified humans will always have to live well under the surface even if a rad-tolerant biosphere can somehow be generated. A magnetic shield could be placed at the L1 point to simulate a magnetosphere. It would take a fair amount of power and is probably unworkable with today's tech, but it's certainly within the realm of foreseeable futuretech.
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Apr 16, 2019 17:13
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There are solutions to a lot of the problems with living on Mars, but they generally seem like they require a lot of resources to maintain. Some of them also can be theoretically designed now, but will require technology that we have yet to develop to a sufficient point to actually be able to implement. There is a very good argument that these resources could be better spent on working on making space habitats safe for humans. I am excited for the DLC regardless of how feasible terraforming Mars is in real life.
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Apr 17, 2019 03:29
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Finally got a settlement past 1000 colonists. Still trying to figure out optimizing comfort. Just putting at least one of any given service building within tube range of every residential dome is not really working out, most domes are still averaging like 55 comfort. Do yall have some preferred ratio of service buildings to residential buildings?
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HiKaizer posted:There are solutions to a lot of the problems with living on Mars, but they generally seem like they require a lot of resources to maintain. Some of them also can be theoretically designed now, but will require technology that we have yet to develop to a sufficient point to actually be able to implement. There is a very good argument that these resources could be better spent on working on making space habitats safe for humans. And yeah, spin gravity space stations or even full on O'Niell cylinders would probably be a better option than sinking resources into terraforming mars. You could even build spin gravity habitats under the surface of low gravity bodies, like the moon, just have the floors angled. Having your habitat be under 10 meters of rock would solve any worries about radiation. On the other hand, terraforming is cool, so I am also excited about the dlc.
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Eschatos posted:Finally got a settlement past 1000 colonists. Still trying to figure out optimizing comfort. Just putting at least one of any given service building within tube range of every residential dome is not really working out, most domes are still averaging like 55 comfort. Do yall have some preferred ratio of service buildings to residential buildings? This is the best setup I've yet found, IMO (this setup is also why Brazil is low-key the best sponsor in the game, heh) Verloc posted:Workers will only commute 1 dome away to work or meet needs. Early on I always shoot for a trio or quartet of linked basic domes. I do run the modular apartments mod though so I can get away with eating more in-dome hexes for tunnels without loving my population density over. I usually shoot for a setup like below early on: Personally I prefer to use the sections with tunnels on them for trios of 3 tile buildings, even nurseries so kids aren't crowding out my apartments and arcologies, but if you're modding you're modding: live your best life. Housing/farms can get shifted over to just housing by the time you start putting down dedicated farm domes with moisture reclamation spires, and Needs/Misc are just every service you can pack in. An exact ratio is tricky to max out comfort but generally "enough capacity to handle a little over a third of the dome complex population" suffices IME. A single apartment complex would take up a grocer or diner working all 3 shifts for food needs with another service building allowing overflow for Whatever relevant desire. Willie Tomg fucked around with this message at 00:00 on Apr 18, 2019 |
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Apr 17, 2019 23:47
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Groetgaffel posted:A surface gravity of about 0.3 g is also not very helpful for long term human habitation. There might be ethical problems, particularly given that people growing up on Mars would have a very difficult time adapting to Earth gravity if they ever had to leave, but I assume people growing up on Mars would find a way to tolerate lower gravity given that humans can already survive for upwards of a year in microgravity. Their descendants would presumably adapt even more over time, and evolve to be distinct from Earth humans. I guess it all depends on how badly whoever's planning all of this wants Mars to be colonized, and how many people volunteer/are volunteered for the job. We haven't colonized Antarctica though, and that's obviously far easier to colonize than anything in space, so maybe the drive to have humans permanently living wherever we find space isn't actually that strong, though if humanity survives for millions of years I suspect someone will bother to do it at some point unless there are strict prohibitions for some reason.
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Sinteres posted:There might be ethical problems, particularly given that people growing up on Mars would have a very difficult time adapting to Earth gravity if they ever had to leave, but I assume people growing up on Mars would find a way to tolerate lower gravity given that humans can already survive for upwards of a year in microgravity. Their descendants would presumably adapt even more over time, and evolve to be distinct from Earth humans. I guess it all depends on how badly whoever's planning all of this wants Mars to be colonized, and how many people volunteer/are volunteered for the job. We haven't colonized Antarctica though, and that's obviously far easier to colonize than anything in space, so maybe the drive to have humans permanently living wherever we find space isn't actually that strong, though if humanity survives for millions of years I suspect someone will bother to do it at some point unless there are strict prohibitions for some reason. Mars and the Belt colonies have developed their own very distinct culture shaped by where people grew up.
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I just jumped back into this, having not played a whole lot since launch and have re-encountered an issue I had with my first colony. Everything was ticking along fine, I'd completed the mystery, my colony had just hit 900 inhabitants and I had a massive stockpile of food. I was playing on a map with high dust storms but hadn't had one in quite a while when a 3 sol long one hit. I had plenty of diners in all my domes but the food in them suddenly ran out faster than the drones could re-stock once they didn't have the support of my shuttle network to top up the food depots. Quite a few colonialists died of starvation before the dust storm ended and by the time it did pretty much all the others were starving. A combination of the backlog of colonists trying to get into the diners and grocers that had any food in stock and my inability to get shuttles to prioritise food transports meant most of the rest of the colony was dead before things recovered. All the while 2k food sat in my storage pile at the centre of the colony. Am I missing something about handling food distribution that will stop my entire colony collapsing without warning once it gets above a certain size? Is keeping food in one of the big storage depots actually detrimental, is it better to keep it spread out over the smaller depots?
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Apr 18, 2019 08:55
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You pretty much answered your own question. I keep a food stockpile for each dome right next to it.
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Apr 18, 2019 09:15
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Yeah in a game where your long range transport network gets shut down at periodic intervals it is sort of necessary to not rely on it to just-in-time your vital supplies to each dome. Local stores are a good idea for a lot of things, not least in case a meteor knocks out your air/water line or something.
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Apr 18, 2019 09:17
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Yeah basically every dome complex out of drone range from the farming dome(s) needs its own local reserves drawn up from the harvest point, so that by the really ridiculous 3-5k colonist mark a megadome complex will have 400-ish reserve food and a requirement to stay mostly full close outside to coast on if the shuttles go down for 3 sols, the farming megadome throws its multithousand food harvest into seven or eight regular food depots with no requirement which the shuttles hit up regularly on distribution runs, and then the deep storages for food take whatever overflow in the event of something truly catastrophic happening to the farms (or the botanists who work on them).
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Apr 18, 2019 09:25
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I don't recall if dust storms shut down rovers, but if they're active, that's a perfect situation to use them - getting some emergency food schlepped around to where you need it on a temporary basis is one of their best uses outside of picking up metal and polymer off of the surface.
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They don't shut them down though they do tend to knock out a fair bit of your drone force.
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Apr 18, 2019 10:21
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Thanks for the feedback, I'll avoid keeping all my food in one place next colony. I think I've also realised another reason the dust storm hit so hard. I was playing as Japan and therefore had wasp drones. I need to test it myself when I get home but looking on YouTube it seems that wasp drones can't fly in dust storms and act like normal drones. Having flying drones I didn't bother to put in any ramps over my tunnels making pathing around the colony a complete nightmare if they do indeed get grounded...
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They've started doing dev diaries on the paradox forums: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/green-planet-dev-diary-2-new-buildings-and-tech.1168118/ You can make some pretty drastic changes to the planet.   
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Apr 18, 2019 14:33
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Hopefully your colony won't end up on the bottom of a new ocean.
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Mechanical Ape posted:Hopefully your colony won't end up on the bottom of a new ocean. Dome six is jerks!
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Apr 18, 2019 17:01
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You already got pressure domes so you just become an aquatic city, duh
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Willie Tomg posted:This is the best setup I've yet found, IMO (this setup is also why Brazil is low-key the best sponsor in the game, heh) So you separate housing from workplaces? Don't you then get issues with work performance from the "working in another dome" penalty?
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When will we get the Monorails DLC so you can travel to an arbitrary number of domes? Also, clearly, have terrorists explode the tubes, Free Mars style?
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Platonicsolid posted:When will we get the Monorails DLC so you can travel to an arbitrary number of domes? I like how in Babylon Five, the monorail tubes on Mars are so heavily reinforced a guy can totally explode a whole train in there and they don't crack.
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Apr 18, 2019 20:14
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Guildencrantz posted:So you separate housing from workplaces? Don't you then get issues with work performance from the "working in another dome" penalty? Not always (I'll almost always put an infirmary in the residential dome for the birthrate increase, for instance), but often enough that its the general case with the exceptions being exceptions. The penalty from working in another dome is more than offset by having access to plentiful services and adequate housing instead of aiming for both and totally satisfying neither--good enough is good enough as long as it keeps the Earthers screwing each other to meet the replenishment birthrate.
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Apr 19, 2019 00:52
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Paradox has been showing off the new expansion. It can't be too far off as it looks pretty far along: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoKVJSSfVU8
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NoNotTheMindProbe posted:It can't be too far off as it looks pretty far along:
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Apr 24, 2019 14:58
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It practically looks like a whole new game.
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Apr 24, 2019 15:43
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I bought the season pass for it from GoG last August, put about 30 hours into it, and haven't touched it since. Looks like when I pick it up again, I'll definitely have gotten my money's worth from the 'pass'. So much new stuff...
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Apr 24, 2019 18:41
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LonsomeSon posted:Mars can't be terraformed because its core is dead and it has no magnetosphere; unsuited, unmodified humans will always have to live well under the surface even if a rad-tolerant biosphere can somehow be generated. And that's assuming that humans will remain unmodified. I sincerely doubt it to be honest. I'll never know, but it's fun to think about
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Apr 24, 2019 22:08
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Dev diary #3 is about vegetation: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/green-planet-dev-diary-3-vegetation.1170242/ And from the comments, this dev note: only the human player will engage in terraforming. quote:One of the main pillars in the development of this expansion was that the terraformation of Mars is a process that's deliberately initiated and driven by the player. We assumed that it won't be plesant if the Rival Colonies generate recurring terraforming progress, so they do not produce seeds, construct terraforming buildings or start terraforming projects. This said, the Rival Colonies will not stay blind to your efforts to change Mars and will every once and then happen to have an opinion about them. And sometimes they will help or delay you.
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I'm very much looking forward to this expansion's release and I'm loving these dev blogs, hooray for being published by Paradox! Can't wait for the 16th!
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Anyone know if they have plans for larger maps or there are mods for the same? The sector size I remember from last year isn't really all that big, considering.
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If you ever get the chance to live in an Arcology, try to get the top floor because the view is pretty sweet.
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This week's dev diary is about special projects and disasters. https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/green-planet-dev-diary-4-disasters-and-special-projects.1173525/ And there's a 3:28 video showcasing these projects. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRVJ_kT8A_4 Here's what you can do:
And then there are three projects which don't relate to terraforming and are part of the free patch:
So I guess the takeaway here is, start stocking up on fuel.
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Surviving Mars: Brazil deflorate your mother planet and germinate your daughter planet.
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May 4, 2019 05:28
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Magnetic shield. Okay. So they ARE addressing Mars' lack of a magnetosphere, nice.
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May 4, 2019 17:08
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I'm unreasonably hyped for the ability to landscape a gray, scraped-out concrete zone into nice pretty red sand.
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May 10, 2019 17:19
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Just the ability to clear that annoying promontory in the middle of an otherwise clear plain full of resources so you can put your six diamond domes in an aesthetically pleasing symmetry gives me chills.
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May 10, 2019 19:13
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Expansion is up for loading on Steam, got it going before leaving for work today.
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Managed to have it start up and was landing my robotic workers on the red planet before the release announcement.  In all seriousness, looks good. There's a new sponsor and commander for terraforming, commander comes with some terraforming building prefabs. Also: landscaping projects make excellent dumpsites for spare wasterock, especially early on.
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The update notes mention self-sufficient domes which provide their own water/O2. How do those work? Do they look different from regular domes, and do they have less interior space because of the life support buildings? They sound like they'd be useful for settling areas that have rare metal deposits but not much else.
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