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pathetic little tramp posted:The strategy is literally "Let all the insanely bad poo poo hang out there and just say NO COLLUSION NO OBSTRUCTION real loud and watch the media fall in line" Which uh...didn't happen.
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I knew this was going to be bad for Trump but good lord you pretty much could not write anything more damning without just calling it something way worse
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Angry_Ed posted:Which uh...didn't happen. I am kinda of looking forward to trump straight up denying all of this.
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drat no poo poo. https://twitter.com/pareene/status/1118912526249529345
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Anyone who reads this and think Mueller isn't saying Trump obstructed justice and is referring him for impeachment is immune to subtext, like if he had taken an ad out in times square bracketed by neon lights it would be more subtle than what has come out so far. In the Mueller report: -Obstruction of justice isn't required to be successful to be criminal -The only reason the investigation wasn't obstructed was because Trump subordinates refused his orders -The only reason Trump's subordinates aren't in prison is they refused his orders. -There could be even more evidence for obstruction but Trumps team lied/deleted things -The reason we're not making an affirmative declaration of obstruction is because constitutionally we cannot prosecute the president and only congress can make that decision -Really guys, our lack of reccomendation has nothing to do with him being innocent, we totally aren't saying he's innocent, just that it's congresses call. -Also, just in case you're curious, when he leaves office we can go back and decide to prosecute, no reason we'd bring that up jus sayin' I mean come on edit: oh yeah, and Mueller takes time to point out why a bunch of defenses the president's allies have been making in public are bullshit. Jarmak fucked around with this message at 17:26 on Apr 18, 2019 |
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Pellisworth posted:I listened to an interview on NPR with Bill Weld. When asked what the most important thing he'd address in the first 100 days of his presidency, he emphatically said spending, we need to cut government spending it's out of control. Oh yeah he's a complete piece of poo poo, I just like seeing pieces of poo poo tear each other to pieces.
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eke out posted:remember those stories about trump officials being worried that the report will name them, and make trump furious? The Mouth of Sauron being outed as a liar by her own words is satisfying in ways I did not anticipate.
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https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1118882322638614529 lol this dumb bitch
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Mechanical Ape posted:https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1118896790835736576 If Anthony Atamanuik doesn't play the lead role, there's no justice in the world.
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CuddleCryptid posted:Someone let me know when the unredacted version is released so I can buy a hard copy to display on my bookshelf for woke cred nice posts man! heck yeah!
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pathetic little tramp posted:https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1118882322638614529 Glenn Greenwald continues to angle for being the Julian Assange of the mid 2010s (minus the sex pest stuff and hiding in an Ecuadorian consulate, thankfully)
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theflyingorc posted:I'm pretty confident that the redacting isn't an attempt at a cover-up, because if you were doing that, you'd redact a shitload more than he did. That said, "Harm to Ongoing Matter" also means there was enough there there that even Barr (probably) couldn't bring himself to shut that part of it down.
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pathetic little tramp posted:https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1118882322638614529 What is he talking about? Is he still clinging to "B-b-b-but Mueller didn't explicitly say Trump was guilty so therefore the libs are triggered!" even thought the report is wall-to-wall crimes and multiple disguised impeachment referrals? I mean, gently caress Mueller for kicking the can to somebody else but the report is pretty damning!
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Alright gang, we're going to rob every bank in America then say we were too stupid to know it was illegal. Guys, the thermal ignorance, go get it.
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I legit am wondering if Barr actually comprehended what he read because the report literally is 448 pages of non-stop crimes and corruption and the recommendation to congress to be a check to Trump is clear as day
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Trying to raise that presidential profile a little, eh eric?
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haveblue posted:If nothing else this has disproven the theories that it was all just underlings working on his behalf and he was (willfully or otherwise) ignorant of it. I mean that theory has been disproven to anyone paying attention to Trump's own words for years. theflyingorc posted:The people plugged in enough to see the full extent of what's come out of the report are already not undecided Maybe, I'm just assuming that most of America have already formed an opinion on if Trump is a crook or not and how they view this report will be based on that. So I grabbed a Qu poll: https://poll.qu.edu/images/polling/us/us03052019_uyvk36.pdf/ 5% of Americans didn't know if Trump is honest, the rest think one way or another 7% of Americans didn't know if Congress should start impeachment proceedings, the rest have made up their mind (Also "yes" has polled consistently at 35% since 2018) 19% of Americans didn't know if Mulluer was going to be fair, if my guess is correct, in the next poll will show this more closely mirroring the "trump is honest" split now we know the results 13% of Americans didn't know if Trump committed any crimes, if this group swings towards "he did crimes" then that's evidence the report is changing minds
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Herstory Begins Now posted:I knew this was going to be bad for Trump but good lord you pretty much could not write anything more damning without just calling it something way worse Yeah, I thought we were getting the neutered version, but holy poo poo it seems like all the worst bits were left in. Either: A) Whatever Barr covered up is somehow, against all logic, even worse or B) Barr forgot to actually read the report or got bored halfway through and forgot to censor the bad parts.
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1stGear posted:What is he talking about? Is he still clinging to "B-b-b-but Mueller didn't explicitly say Trump was guilty so therefore the libs are triggered!" even thought the report is wall-to-wall crimes and multiple disguised impeachment referrals? I mean, gently caress Mueller for kicking the can to somebody else but the report is pretty damning! These are tweets from during the Barr conference before the Mueller report dropped
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Delthalaz posted:These are tweets from during the Barr conference before the Mueller report dropped Ah, okay. That makes more sense.
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pathetic little tramp posted:https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1118882322638614529 Edit: NVM, timestamps are hard.
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1stGear posted:What is he talking about? Is he still clinging to "B-b-b-but Mueller didn't explicitly say Trump was guilty so therefore the libs are triggered!" even thought the report is wall-to-wall crimes and multiple disguised impeachment referrals? I mean, gently caress Mueller for kicking the can to somebody else but the report is pretty damning! he's talking about this bit, OP how dare Mueller not do the thing they were all hoping he would do
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Herstory Begins Now posted:I legit am wondering if Barr actually comprehended what he read because the report literally is 448 pages of non-stop crimes and corruption and the recommendation to congress to be a check to Trump is clear as day Of course, which is why didn't deny that crimes occurred, he just tried to create a plausible reason for why they were actually legal. It just sounds stupid because the only possible defense of that is stupid.
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:Yeah, I thought we were getting the neutered version, but holy poo poo it seems like all the worst bits were left in. Either: A) Whatever Barr covered up is somehow, against all logic, even worse or B) Barr forgot to actually read the report or got bored halfway through and forgot to censor the bad parts. From what I've read, a bunch of the bigger redactions come conspicuously right after the Trump children are brought up
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TGLT posted:Alright gang, we're going to rob every bank in America then say we were too stupid to know it was illegal. Can it be every billionaire as well? Can we divide the money to everyone in America afterwards? I'm onboard
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Lawyers never take notes! https://twitter.com/jbarro/status/1118906440641581057
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TGLT posted:Alright gang, we're going to rob every bank in America then say we were too stupid to know it was illegal. There are different mens rea requirements for different crimes, yes
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Not willing to look myself because I value my brain cells and don't want to kill them (unless it's with delicious, delicious alcohol): What is Fox News saying about the report?
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:Yeah, I thought we were getting the neutered version, but holy poo poo it seems like all the worst bits were left in. Either: A) Whatever Barr covered up is somehow, against all logic, even worse or B) Barr forgot to actually read the report or got bored halfway through and forgot to censor the bad parts. Well, submitting a report that's just solid black would look mighty suspicious. 
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FizFashizzle posted:Trying to raise that presidential profile a little, eh eric?
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I wish Evil Weasel still posted.
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dhn posted:Lawyers never take notes! It's a shame the "This is the end of my Presidency" is such a perfect quote for this thread title, because this is a close runner-up.
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TulliusCicero posted:Can it be every billionaire as well? Can we divide the money to everyone in America afterwards? It's time to get our national payday. theflyingorc posted:There are different mens rea requirements for different crimes, yes I mean yeah, some crimes are rich people crimes and some crimes are poor people crimes.
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Reading the Muller Report is like the spiel of a used cars salesman in a commercial but the word “car” has been replaced with “crime”: “I have big crimes, small crimes. New and slightly used crimes! I have to liquidate all these crimes because my stock of crimes is just too big! Low credit? No money for a down payment? Don’t worry I’ll have the perfect crime for you no questions asked!”
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Kissinger's "defense" of Nixon for years was that Nixon was probably just ranting about Watergate and someone was stupid enough to take him seriously for once. I think the tapes pretty conclusively demonstrated specific intent, so the idea that he was just blowing off steam turned out to be false, but the basic idea that there's a filter of people who need to be smart enough to keep corrupt presidents from doing insanely stupid crimes seems not to be totally flawed.
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