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Phi230
Feb 2, 2016

by Fluffdaddy
to an extent we are already living in our own Years of Lead only instead of Police + Nazis vs. Leftists its Police + Nazis with no opposition

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CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

cargo cult posted:

theres a distinction between waves of terrorism and civil war being right around the corner

I mean that’s a completely different argument than the one they were having but sure

Phi230
Feb 2, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

CharlestheHammer posted:

I mean that’s a completely different argument than the one they were having but sure

Mass shootings every week is just a fad bro!!!!

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:

Phi230 posted:

to an extent we are already living in our own Years of Lead only instead of Police + Nazis vs. Leftists its Police + Nazis with no opposition

the left tends to be more educated, affluent and urban and sees examples of the panopticon every single day compared with the 60s and 70s which is part of the reason they are far less activated than the right. even here on the Leftest Place On The Internet Outside of the Rhizzone most folks just assume that the status quo will preserve by default because their comfortable lives have stayed more or less on target for 30+ years, but it's really bad out there in the sticks already. really, really bad

Wheeee
Mar 11, 2001

When a tree grows, it is soft and pliable. But when it's dry and hard, it dies.

Hardness and strength are death's companions. Flexibility and softness are the embodiment of life.

That which has become hard shall not triumph.

"Look, I totally understand where you're coming from, I really do, but you're just wrong. God has granted the lords and kings His blessing since He created the world, that's just how it works. If we continue to beseech our lord to take less of our harvest in taxes and stop hunting our children for sport he'll eventually listen to reason and compromise with us."

- Early liberal, circa 1300 AD

cargo cult
Aug 28, 2008

by Reene
ok so right wing paramilitaries on the cusp of setting up check points and massacring thousands of people in a single afternoon like marionite militias, because centralized authority is just weeks away from disintegrating

as a brown person what am i supposed to do besides get my passport and get out because the militant left doesn't exist in this country outside of fantasy and ratm lyrics

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:
the militant left exists in most parts of this country, you're just not in any contact with them and they aren't doing terrorism. you could probably find a dsa meeting in your area, which is a good place to start

Phi230
Feb 2, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

cargo cult posted:

ok so right wing paramilitaries on the cusp of setting up check points and massacring thousands of people in a single afternoon like marionite militias, because centralized authority is just weeks away from disintegrating

as a brown person what am i supposed to do besides get my passport and get out because the militant left doesn't exist in this country outside of fantasy and ratm lyrics

right wing paramilitaries are already setting up checkpoints, they just aren't killing people (yet)

theres like a dozen posts in the past 3 pages about this, including video

cargo cult
Aug 28, 2008

by Reene
what is anyone realistically supposed to do about that

DOCTOR ZIMBARDO
May 8, 2006
sad that historicizing right wing violence gets you called a liberal lmao. go look at my post history itt, that’s deeply unfair

cargo cult
Aug 28, 2008

by Reene
if you're a real tankie you wank off to the idea of an unwinnable civil war thats literally weeks away

Phi230
Feb 2, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

cargo cult posted:

what is anyone realistically supposed to do about that

eat rear end, smoke drugs

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:

cargo cult posted:

if you're a real tankie you wank off to the idea of an unwinnable civil war thats literally weeks away

you only want to believe it can't happen because you believe it would be unwinnable. but land don't vote and it can't hold a gun

Agean90
Jun 28, 2008


cargo cult posted:

ok so right wing paramilitaries on the cusp of setting up check points and massacring thousands of people in a single afternoon like marionite militias, because centralized authority is just weeks away from disintegrating

as a brown person what am i supposed to do besides get my passport and get out because the militant left doesn't exist in this country outside of fantasy and ratm lyrics

they exist op, they're just not reported on

https://twitter.com/BabuOmowale/sta...ingawful.com%2F

This same org also sent about a hundred armed black people out to scare off a bunch of chuds from protesting a mosque down in Texas. Look up them, the sra, the john brown gun club, or hell just find some like minded folks and make one your self. You are correct that they're not as numerous as they need to be, but [left wing structure] doesn't exist is an issue for everything.

cargo cult
Aug 28, 2008

by Reene

Al! posted:

you only want to believe it can't happen because you believe it would be unwinnable. but land don't vote and it can't hold a gun
i never said it can't happen, it may well happen, but my only point has been that material conditions aren't there yet. that doesnt make me a liberal

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



there's a lot of grassroots stuff coming up that are finding ways to work together despite their various structures, and it's necessarily slow because anybody that moves too fast gets crushed. My advice would join something legally kosher like the DSA or SRA and use it to find like minded people who have connections to informal groups like John Brown or HPN or Pink Pistols etc. The difference is basically that the former are politically constrained and can't demonstrate with guns and the latter can


Basically:
https://twitter.com/spike009k/status/1073559981629300737

Wheeee
Mar 11, 2001

When a tree grows, it is soft and pliable. But when it's dry and hard, it dies.

Hardness and strength are death's companions. Flexibility and softness are the embodiment of life.

That which has become hard shall not triumph.

one reason you don't think militant leftists exist is because unlike reactionary idiots they understand opsec

The Dipshit
Dec 21, 2005

by FactsAreUseless

Wheeee posted:

one reason you don't think militant leftists exist is because unlike reactionary idiots they understand opsec

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man


Now today this thread is making me feel like it'll get me put onto a list.

Wheeee
Mar 11, 2001

When a tree grows, it is soft and pliable. But when it's dry and hard, it dies.

Hardness and strength are death's companions. Flexibility and softness are the embodiment of life.

That which has become hard shall not triumph.

you're already on lists, plural

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


i'm legitimately on a list thanks to bush.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

You’d think there’d be at least one big dumb honeypot group on the left. Or at least one reactionary group that was capable of literally any degree of security. Maybe like Austin Red Guard was a stupid bad left group that posted their crimes straight to twitter?

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



you've been automatically added to so many lists that no human trying to build a coherent profile of you will probably be able to do so, deciding to either ignore you or throw their hands up and just buy all your history and info from Facebook

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



Antifa Turkeesian posted:

You’d think there’d be at least one big dumb honeypot group on the left. Or at least one reactionary group that was capable of literally any degree of security. Maybe like Austin Red Guard was a stupid bad left group that posted their crimes straight to twitter?

Communist Party USA is widely known to be a huge honey pot

cargo cult
Aug 28, 2008

by Reene
they charged like 150 people allegedly involved with j20 and didnt get a single conviction

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:

Wheeee posted:

you're already on lists, plural

or maybe not. panopticon bithc

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
oh there are many posts to munch on this day. now if you don't mind me, allow me to take everyone's posts and plug them into the things that i'm already interested in!!!

cargo cult posted:

this along with all the grognard acw posts sound like right wing dad fiction from air force desk jockeys who think they're special operators
my feeling with bourgeois democracies is that they can kinda half-solve their political crises through the courts. much better to kick the can down the road for a few months ending with a 5-4 decision instead of sending in the paratroopers to seize congress.

DOCTOR ZIMBARDO posted:

yeah it’s this, and the other key piece of contest is that it will all be happening during a time of realignment towards a more left wing polity, like the opposite of the Reagan years, imo
:hmmyes:

the polity also lags behind the demographics of the broader population by about 10 years. our politics are effectively represented by 2009's population right now, and 1998's in 2008. but chuds look around and see 2019's population so they're acting crazy. i believe 2018 was the tipping point in which millennials became the single largest voting bloc. in 2020 the zoomers are gonna supplant the silent generation and the little we've seen says they're about as far to the left as the silents are to the right.

and i believe 1978 was the year boomers emerged as the biggest bloc.

and for the rest of you humbugs: yeah i know generational stuff is a bunch of bullshit designed to sell people stuff so don't @ me

DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:

also for the cw2 stuff the parallel is totally inapt because the fault lines are cultural rather than geographic. the army doesn’t serve The Right, it serves Capital, and Capital doesn’t want a huge civil war. if there actually was an ascendant socialist movement we might get a civil war but the left in this country pretty much just wants social democracy, which isn’t enough of a threat to capital for them to risk burning the whole country down.

cw2 will have no pitched battles. this isn’t the simmering tension buildup, this is it: this is what it looks like. periodic high-visibility but low-intensity clashes on the streets and then endless stochastic terror in the form of school and workplace shootings. there’s your cw2.
i think fundamentally the "chuds vs. SJWs" conflict is an inter-bourgeois conflict and it is happening within bourgeois coordinates. i'm saying "bourgeois" a lot!!! but see my post in the thread on the dialectic and why i think the conflict is a result of the privileging of the subjective cultural formations that arise from contradictions in different economic sectors (and a privileging of these cultural battles over the economic), rather than a conflict between labor and capital (capital won that round). in this sense it feels like the 1970s because the system is at loggerheads and overdue for a restructuring. trump has kinda half-tried to do this but he hasn't broken through.

BrutalistMcDonalds has issued a correction as of 19:50 on Apr 18, 2019

Relevant Tangent
Nov 18, 2016

Tangentially Relevant

cargo cult posted:

they charged like 150 people allegedly involved with j20 and didnt get a single conviction

that has way more to do with how much the average dc resident hates trump, and the incredible overreach involved in trying to get them all on conspiracy charges

Wheeee
Mar 11, 2001

When a tree grows, it is soft and pliable. But when it's dry and hard, it dies.

Hardness and strength are death's companions. Flexibility and softness are the embodiment of life.

That which has become hard shall not triumph.

focusing on the lack of convictions while ignoring that they were rounded up and charged in the first place to own the commies

One More Fat Nerd
Apr 13, 2007

Mama’s Lil’ Louie

Nap Ghost

Antifa Turkeesian posted:

You’d think there’d be at least one big dumb honeypot group on the left. Or at least one reactionary group that was capable of literally any degree of security. Maybe like Austin Red Guard was a stupid bad left group that posted their crimes straight to twitter?

I waffle between thinking PETA is a honeypot/strawman group for a certain type of leftist and thinking they're just authentically stupid.

staticman
Sep 12, 2008

Be gay
Death to America
Suck my dick Israel
Mess with Texas
and remember to lmao
The first step to turning the tide is accepting the objective fact that everything they say of those they hate is projection, and they literally, objectively are not human.

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

Relevant Tangent posted:

I was ten pages back dude, it's one of the advantages of the forums that you can respond to stuff from a few days back. gently caress yourself.

We ignore the posts of real goons and instead focus on a narrative that is aggrandizing.

DOCTOR ZIMBARDO
May 8, 2006
It was transparently an attempt at intimidation/a fishing expedition that was very scary to many of us here in DC at the time but in the balance of history or whatever I think it seriously backfired, as if that's consolation to the people who had to worry about whether or not they were going to jail for 70 loving years.


BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

oh there are many posts to munch on this day. now if you don't mind me, allow me to take everyone's posts and plug them into the things that i'm already interested in!!!

another good post. I think the courts are gonna revert to like a Lochner-era (pre new deal) type jurisprudence for the most part. The Supreme Court, the Senate, and the Electoral College are the three big institutional barriers to the coming leftwing tide, which is why conservatives are crazy busy filling up as many judgeships as they can. It's like what Corey Robin points to, which is those red state teacher strikes as being the straw that broke the camel's back or whatever, the things that herald of the end of an era. Anyway that's why reactionaries are resorting to terrorism, it's because they increasingly recognize they won't get what they really want through legitimate channels (and stochastic terrorism because they can't do their violence in an organized way without getting busted up)

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/RightWingWatch/status/1118968608590368769
:yeshaha:

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
Lipstick Apathy
Seriously, did she get more surgery?

Admiral Ray
May 17, 2014

Proud Musk and Dogecoin fanboy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62UzLgdb1GQ

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
i love how alex is just going through the motions on that. "well there you have it... ehh... laura loomer running for congress (internal sigh)... boom."

Qurnah
May 9, 2008

every treumpo you take
and every trumoe you make
Grimey Drawer
e: woops wrong

Wheeee
Mar 11, 2001

When a tree grows, it is soft and pliable. But when it's dry and hard, it dies.

Hardness and strength are death's companions. Flexibility and softness are the embodiment of life.

That which has become hard shall not triumph.


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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!!
May 31, 2006

Crowsbeak posted:

Seriously, did she get more surgery?

she looks like she is wearing a plastic mask of her own face

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