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Shirkelton
Apr 6, 2009

I'm not loyal to anything, General... except the dream.
Anyone available to help me evolve a Haunter, Machoke and Kadabra in Ultra Moon?

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Diet Poison
Jan 20, 2008

LICK MY ASS
I'm here, if you give me a couple minutes to lose or hit 10 in a row in Battle Hall here. I have no idea what my DS poo poo is offhand but it's probly in this thread like 100 times if you search my posts.
e: lol of course this is a new-ish thread, hell
e2: PISS, streak ended just past 110 by a god damned Lunatone of all things. 0533-5340-6744.

Diet Poison fucked around with this message at 03:37 on Apr 19, 2019

Shirkelton
Apr 6, 2009

I'm not loyal to anything, General... except the dream.
My friend code is 4700 - 1851 -2626.

Waterfall of Salt
May 14, 2013

Ow, my eye

SuperKlaus posted:

I imagine they ban items from Poke-bank because they want you to earn the BP for your Life Orbs and Adamant Vests etc. again in new games?

That and it lets them phase out items that they for whatever reason are not happy with, like the gems

Shirkelton
Apr 6, 2009

I'm not loyal to anything, General... except the dream.
I like how it says 'returning _____ to _____' and 'Welcome back, _____', that's neat.

Diet Poison
Jan 20, 2008

LICK MY ASS
Anything you need in your dex while we're doing this? I was just friggin around looking to see if I had anything good in this folder.

Shirkelton
Apr 6, 2009

I'm not loyal to anything, General... except the dream.

Diet Poison posted:

Anything you need in your dex while we're doing this? I was just friggin around looking to see if I had anything good in this folder.

No, don't sweat it. I didn't realize it would take quite so long, though, so if you want a Chimchar or something by way of thanks at the end just throw up some old garbage you don't want once we're done.

Shirkelton
Apr 6, 2009

I'm not loyal to anything, General... except the dream.
Awesome. Thank you for the help, I really appreciate it.

Diet Poison
Jan 20, 2008

LICK MY ASS
Glad to help. I know it's always a pain to line these trades up when you actually want to keep the trade-evo mon.

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018
Women are wonderful animals, they should be making music and writing novels about having a complex relationship with your mother.
does mega evolving actually do anything beyond making Pokemon look cooler? Do they get stronger when they do it? If so, is there ever a reason not to do it?

Vandar
Sep 14, 2007

Isn't That Right, Chairman?



Gripweed posted:

does mega evolving actually do anything beyond making Pokemon look cooler? Do they get stronger when they do it? If so, is there ever a reason not to do it?

Mega Evolving gives each Pokemon a flat 100 point bonus to their BST. It also shuffles around stats on some Pokemon to make them better at what they're supposed to do (Mega Beedrill, for instance, gets most of it's stats shifted to it's Attack and Speed, making it one hell of a glass cannon). Depending on the Pokemon, it also gives them type and ability changes.

So yeah there's really no point to not Mega Evolve in-game.

thetoughestbean
Apr 27, 2013

Keep On Shroomin

Gripweed posted:

does mega evolving actually do anything beyond making Pokemon look cooler? Do they get stronger when they do it? If so, is there ever a reason not to do it?

There are one or two Pokémon that are better off not Mega Evolving, because having a held item would be more useful. Generally, though, if you have a Pokémon that can Mega Evolve, the only reason to not do so is because you have another Pokémon on the team whose Mega Evolution would be more useful

Mega Evolutions, as a rule of thumb, gain 100 BST and a new ability, often also changing their type as well

Zuzie
Jun 30, 2005

I got this for a Ratatta on GTS.


Some Mega Pokémon are simply stronger versions. For example, Medicham and Scizor have Pure Power and Technician as their abilities, which is one of the base form's regular abilities. Others on the other hand become entirely different beasts: Mega Heracross and Mega Blastoise gain Skill Link and Mega Launcher as their abilities and in order to function with these abilities, Heracross and Blastoise need to carry different movesets in order to be effective.

galagazombie
Oct 31, 2011

A silly little mouse!
One thing I'd like for Gen 8/the Bank would be the ability to "Merge" OT Trainers. Just something so I can rename my own Pokemon. It would be something like you could select one Trainer ID per Game that the Bank recognizes as "yours".

Cipher Pol 9
Oct 9, 2006


galagazombie posted:

One thing I'd like for Gen 8/the Bank would be the ability to "Merge" OT Trainers. Just something so I can rename my own Pokemon. It would be something like you could select one Trainer ID per Game that the Bank recognizes as "yours".
I think a Pokemon with a different Trainer ID should retain the ability to change nicknames (maybe only once or something?) as long as it was not given a nickname in the original game. So DUX would still be forever DUX but a random Wurmple that's still just "Wurmple" could be given a name.

SuperKlaus
Oct 20, 2005


Fun Shoe

Waterfall of Salt posted:

That and it lets them phase out items that they for whatever reason are not happy with, like the gems

Knowing this and how Gen 7 didn't have any new Mega Pokemon, do you suppose the company's going to phase out Mega Evolutions?

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

SuperKlaus posted:

Knowing this and how Gen 7 didn't have any new Mega Pokemon, do you suppose the company's going to phase out Mega Evolutions?

I very much doubt that, given all the design that went into them and the exposure they got. I think they just wanted to focus on different gimmicks for Sun/Moon. Game Freak can be weird like that.

A thing to keep in mind with Mega Evolution is also that you can only have one Pokemon Mega Evolve per battle, which isn't a big issue in singleplayer (since that's piss easy anyway for the most part) but important to keep in mind for Battle Tower type things and PVP. Same goes with Z-Moves, and both of them require holding an item, thus meaning they can't hold something else that might be useful. (and of course, that makes them mutually exclusive) And as said, some Pokemon change significantly enough when Mega Evolving that they require different movesets to get the most out of it.

Dabir
Nov 10, 2012

Beedrill actually loses some of its defence stats when it mega evolves so that it can have more than 100 extra points in its attack and speed. It's that much of a glass cannon.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
Y'know, Z-Moves are basically kinda even better versions of the move type gems come to think of it. (the only downside is that you can only do them once per battle. I presume shenanigans with Recycle might have been popular back then)

mandatory lesbian
Dec 18, 2012
mega-garchomp arguably becomes worse since its speed goes down when it evolves. idk if any other pokemon mega-evos are considered worse tho

maybe slowbro? I think it loses regenerator which is a really good ability

Rudoku
Jun 15, 2003

Damn I need a drink...


mandatory lesbian posted:

mega-garchomp arguably becomes worse since its speed goes down when it evolves. idk if any other pokemon mega-evos are considered worse tho

maybe slowbro? I think it loses regenerator which is a really good ability

Nope. It just turns into a different kind of tank that you can't crit. You can argue that Regenrator Audino gets worse in single battles.

Rudoku fucked around with this message at 12:14 on Apr 19, 2019

Zuzie
Jun 30, 2005

I got this for a Ratatta on GTS.


SuperKlaus posted:

Knowing this and how Gen 7 didn't have any new Mega Pokemon, do you suppose the company's going to phase out Mega Evolutions?

I think I read somewhere that Game Freak had intentions on revisiting the idea, but I'm not positive if this is true or not.

That being said, ORAS and the Gen 7 games also introduced ideas that were similar to Mega Evolution, only with different names and different ways to activate them, so the idea of Pokémon gaining alternate forms through whatever means remains popular with the fanbase and Game Freak at least.

Detective No. 27
Jun 7, 2006

I get the feeling that any new mechanic or gimmick that GameFreak adds probably causes a developer hell a decade later.

less laughter
May 7, 2012

Accelerock & Roll
“Oh poo poo we forgot to include the 23 Arceus plates and Silvalleye memories” — a Pokémon gen XII developer in 2032

Zuzie
Jun 30, 2005

I got this for a Ratatta on GTS.


I'm kind of surprised that the only alternate forms of a Pokémon that they haven't included in later generations was the Spiky-ear Pichu in Gen 4 (specifically Heart Gold and Soul Silver) and the Contest Pikachu in Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire.

Although considering how popular Pikachu Libre is, it wouldn't be surprised if it somehow shows up in Sword and Shield.

Zedd
Jul 6, 2009

I mean, who would have noticed another madman around here?



less laughter posted:

“Oh poo poo we forgot to include the 23 Arceus plates and Silvalleye memories” — a Pokémon gen XII developer in 2032
I've said it before, but once a mechanic becomes so old / outdated they should just make a generic all in one item.
Just make a Type Plate item that lets you select the type you want to equip with a submenu, make a Type Memories, make a generic Mega stone by the time we get to gen 10, make a generic Z Crystal by 2030 etc.

oddium
Feb 21, 2006

end of the 4.5 tatami age

yeah and let’s just make one pokémon yhst immediately evolves into whatver you choose as soon as you catch it. come on

Kurieg
Jul 19, 2012

RIP Lutri: 5/19/20-4/2/20
:blizz::gamefreak:

Zedd posted:

I've said it before, but once a mechanic becomes so old / outdated they should just make a generic all in one item.
Just make a Type Plate item that lets you select the type you want to equip with a submenu, make a Type Memories, make a generic Mega stone by the time we get to gen 10, make a generic Z Crystal by 2030 etc.

I mean, ditching memories and letting Silvally use type plates is... a good idea?

But the entire point of typed Z-Crystals is so that you can't just put a generic Z-Crystal on your dude with 3 90 power coverage moves.

Dias
Feb 20, 2011

by sebmojo
I think they mean one item but you choose the type when equipping. Like a Z-Case or something.

Zuzie
Jun 30, 2005

I got this for a Ratatta on GTS.


They could also add more uses for one off items. For example, the Silvally memories could also interact with the Porygon family in some way, or Oricorio's nectar items could be used to increase happiness for other Pokémon.

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018
Women are wonderful animals, they should be making music and writing novels about having a complex relationship with your mother.

Zuzie posted:

I'm kind of surprised that the only alternate forms of a Pokémon that they haven't included in later generations was the Spiky-ear Pichu in Gen 4 (specifically Heart Gold and Soul Silver) and the Contest Pikachu in Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire.

Although considering how popular Pikachu Libre is, it wouldn't be surprised if it somehow shows up in Sword and Shield.

Will I not be able to transfer my Cosplay Pikachu from Alpha Sapphire to X or Moon?

less laughter
May 7, 2012

Accelerock & Roll

Gripweed posted:

Will I not be able to transfer my Cosplay Pikachu from Alpha Sapphire to X or Moon?

No, she's exclusive to ORAS, Pokkén Tournament and Super Smash Bros Ultimate.

Zore
Sep 21, 2010
willfully illiterate, aggressively miserable sourpuss whose sole raison d’etre is to put other people down for liking the wrong things

Gripweed posted:

Will I not be able to transfer my Cosplay Pikachu from Alpha Sapphire to X or Moon?

Nope. It stuck in ORAS.

SuperKlaus
Oct 20, 2005


Fun Shoe
I also just learned that Pokemon Bank is the only way to take my in-progress team of Gen 6 champions to Gen 7, which I'll probably be buying when the next sale rolls around. And will presumably be the only way to take my friends to Sword / Shield. So, I guess that settles that, and I'll be getting Bank. drat shame for the Life Orb I was so proud to get on a lucky roll from the first Absol I ever saw, not to mention my other accumulated doodads, but I guess now at least I know to focus my BP earnings on things that do effectively transfer like tutored moves, EV vitamins, and Rare Candy.

BlazetheInferno
Jun 6, 2015

Gripweed posted:

Will I not be able to transfer my Cosplay Pikachu from Alpha Sapphire to X or Moon?

You can't even put 'em in Pokemon Bank.

Nasgate
Jun 7, 2011
Wonder if we'll have to say good bye to Surfin Raichu in S+S

pospysyl
Nov 10, 2012



Dias posted:

I think they mean one item but you choose the type when equipping. Like a Z-Case or something.

Then you couldn't equip Z crystals on multiple Pokemon, which is rare but viable in competitive. Plus you'd lose any potential collectible or explorational aspect to finding them in game. Navigating the weird sandstorm maze to get Psychium was pretty fun!

MorningMoon
Dec 29, 2013

He's been tapping into Aunt May's bank account!
Didn't I kill him with a HELICOPTER?
Hit the credits again and beat Cynthia. Pokemon White is concluded.

It is the best game in the series. I want to say "gently caress, we gotta go back!" but we can't. We can get a game as good, sure, but we can't make Gen 5 again, a lot of elements are just locked in its time due to the franchise's continuous growth.

-The very first thing that struck with me when I started playing, something that ended up true for the entire game is the level design. The games are designed in one simple, but very strong philosophy: the critical path should be short, and a lot of content lies away from it.
Its early examples are pretty good, you can get the elemental monkey you need if you explore. Normal gym has fighting types near it just off the fence of the following route, and if you manage to miss that, the next story bit makes you take the side-path of a short, straight line forest. This design continues in almost every route, and I feel it is brought back to a near-poetic end in Plasma Castle, where you can just walk three straight lines and face the endgame... or you can go into each room and learn about the science of Plasma, how some members feel, how they view N, N's room, etc.
This design is the most fitting for Pokemon. Routes that newcomers can defeat without too much pressure, but also with large areas to reward exploration and curiosity. If you're stuck with a gym leader on the first half of the game, exploration will end up solving that.
The Swords of Justice also live by this concept, and it's great. They offer a good reflection to N, and they're so optional that this, my fourth playthrough, was the first time I actually looked for them.

-Items are also really tame. You're not finding nothing overly strong, not even leftovers, until beating the story. But you don't need them, you don't have, say, Dusclops or Togepi or Honhedge that are begging you for the evolution item that isn't anywhere to be found. I feel like you are given the exact amount of power you need for the story, and end up finding fairly useful stuff all over.

-The NPCs are really fun! Lots of nice folk that are just neat. The NY aspect making you see tons of foreigners is fun, and then there's some towns with full-on weirdos, like that post-game beach town that is only a family of rich goons. Or the bridge with people who love the bridge and bridge sandwiches, and a lady that lives with five loving patrats and runs over to the other bridge when you talk to her to host a patrat show. And then the couple that moves into her house wonders why it smells of patrat.
There's a ton of stuff they do that makes the world feel alive. Nimbasa city specially, with its stadiums, and ferris wheel, and fashion show, it's a wonderful city.

-The art design is stellar. For a sprite game from 2010 or so, it's really nice, dynamic, colorful, some pokemon have a ton of attitude. The cities are all distinct. The amount of trainer classes feels really vast compared to other entries.

-Pokemon Roster is great. There's always a surprise with all these new 'mons, the distribution means you can find a new invaluable friend right around the corner. Some are essentially repeats, sure, but so many others have a ton of charm and attitude. Darmanitan, Golurk, literally all the bugs, Bisharp, Throh and Sawk, Excadrill, Scraggy, ah, just a ton of pokemon that are fun and sweet. Really gives a sense of discovery, fueled by the level design. Their late evolving levels means you can get pokemon pretty late and still become attached by seeing them Grow under you, rather htan just being a fully evolved thing that may fit your team.

-Battles are pretty good. The olde exp share system is really different; just going from gym to gym, whatever got to flex hard on one gym ends up taking a rest for a while and others catch up without it going ahead. Levels stay relatively low for a long while, and it's kinda fun. Rivals pop up at a good pace, they feel stronger each time and there's a couple of times they caught me offguard and made me worry my team was still beat up and not ready.

-The only negatives I think of is that the sixth gym's city, all the way up 'till defeating gym 7, is a chore. The gyms are pretty tame with the puzzle, the seventh one has such a limited roster you fight three ice cream trainers in a row, N and Cheren get involved but don't really do anything different from last time, both gyms are around "go to a tower, climb it, cutscene on top" and it's just a boring hour or two past the middle of the game.
The roster is also limiting; part of what makes that stretch of the game bad is that there's, maybe 4? pokemon to catch, none particularly useful for the flying or ice gym, but it shows up from time to time before that, just going to a route, seeing two pokemon and that's pretty much it. It works for the most part, but after seeing what a regional dex can do with 400ish 'mons, it can be disheartening.

-Story, ohhh man, here we go:
The story truly is deconstructed from its most basic premise. We all know about the "pokemon battles are cockfights, and cruel." part, but lets skip that for now: the eight gyms and elite 4 part is also put under contempt from the start. Every adult basically talks about it like going through summer camp. Just something you do as a kid. You can finish the pokedex, but outside of a feeling of "that's neat!" nobody seems to give a gently caress about it. Gym leaders are so much more than gym leaders. Everyone enforces a feeling of "it's the journey, not the destination" because it's all meaningless... it's an excuse for trainers to explore the land and find themselves.

Then we go over to peta, and... I like the answer people end up with. Most trainers are not like that, most people simply have a partner pokemon, most trainers aren't all about battle, and those with the experience of living battles more than others simply come to conclusions of how to improve life with pokemon, of listening more to pokemon. The Plasma spiel is lies, but gym leaders do take it and come to their own conclusions on how to improve when they are challenged like this. Communication and community are a huge part of the story.

Gym Leaders, god I love them so much. They are community leaders, they serve their cities and town, they run an important part of it (library, restaurant, airport, mine, etc) and they fight to protect the city itself against Plasma. They actively foil the evil team!!! They give lessons to the kids doing the challenge. They're great. In contrast, the Elite 4 are secluded to the northest point of the map, they really only talk about how good battles are, and do nothing even when the league is in danger. The gym leader is the part of the community, while the elite 4 is above it... and thus doesn't offer anything useful.

Cheren and Bianca. Cheren is much like the you who first played pokemon. Wants to be the best, doesn't question what's going on, just gotta be the strongest and catch them all. Meanwhile, Bianca is more about finding out what IS the region she's in, which of the side things are really fun. She immediately knows that the journey is something your parents asked of Juniper so you could go out in the world. She looks for purpose. They both find themselves during this whole adventure, and it's great seeing characters you could easily have played as during your time in the franchise.

Plasma is a great team. The grunts are a surprising mix of good-natured goons and just hooligans. Gives credence that this is a fairly large organization when there's so many different people. Then the upper staff of the six sages who offer wisdom to Ghetsis, in exchange for different things, different points of views on all sides. Ghetsis is an evil jerk, I love him, he's always just Barely keeping his evil laughter in check... and somehow that's the most convincing a villain has been in this whole IP (why does NO villain even attempt at hiding being evil????)

N... ahh, so many good things. Y'all know he's good. I love that you are the first step on his own journey and he grows alongside you, Cheren and Bianca. By seeing the world and other POVs, he can overcome the evil nurturing Ghetsis had done his whole life. Him only using pokemon from the areas he fights you in and then letting them go is great. The first time it happens is an amazing shock because if you are Ready for gym 2, you'll have a fighting type in the lead, and he'll come at you with the pidove. The pursuit of truth and dreams is the best "both sides are right" thing.

N thus looks into the future, meanwhile the Swords of Justice are stuck in the past. Yet it is you, living in the present that changes both of their minds and lets them interact with the world that is. Alder is similar, stuck in the pain of losing his partner. For all his talk about wandering and helping, he isn't as open to new ideas as the leaders, other adults dunk on him for not being present, and when you get to the post-game... a lot of trainers seem to be strong enough to be champs. And the dialogue between some E4 imply that the E4 does lose fairly often to challengers. Alder grew during the game. Never the sage he pretended to be.

All leads to a journey where characters have storylines, emotional beats, everyone has something fairly meaningful to say. Because the story is about seeing others' points of views and growing thanks to that. About community coming together. Issues are solved in a team, not just by you getting a legnedary and kicking rear end. Heck, I said no to Zekrom and finished the game without him and it owned.

Post-game is great, battling Cynthia after becoming champ was a very good sendoff. Pokemon White is my favorite game and I hope this post isn't so huge it can't even post gently caress i gotta go to work

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018
Women are wonderful animals, they should be making music and writing novels about having a complex relationship with your mother.

BlazetheInferno posted:

You can't even put 'em in Pokemon Bank.

man, gently caress this game

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Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018
Women are wonderful animals, they should be making music and writing novels about having a complex relationship with your mother.
I don't know how Pokemon contest works and i refuse to put energy into learning. I'm not googling what moves are tough and what order they need to be in to get the most toughness out of the audience or whatever. If they wanted to make a Pokemon beauty contest thing, great, make that a spinoff game. Give it's own mechanics that make sense. Eeverybody would love a Pokemon grooming and dressup game. Cobbling together this nonsense minigame using the existing battle mechanics is terrible. I won't do it again. That audience wouldn't know a good Pikachu if it killed them with electricity.

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