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what if Palpatine comes back and he's a very nice guy this time
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Apr 18, 2019 23:31
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YaketySass posted:what if Palpatine comes back and he's a very nice guy this time It's this but Palpatine and Kylo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yADrtfAmLTo
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Apr 18, 2019 23:36
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Daddy Thanos posted:You can't spell Death Star Ruins without Death Star Urine Episode 9's threat should be an ursine death rat
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Apr 18, 2019 23:49
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Everybody knows Dianogas swim in piss.
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Apr 19, 2019 00:05
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YaketySass posted:what if Palpatine comes back and he's a very nice guy this time The laughter at the end of the trailer is because Rey told him a joke
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Apr 19, 2019 02:40
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Neo Rasa posted:
TROS won't make any sense unless the Resistance and First Order are so depreciated and lacking in funds/supplies/manpower, that they cannot even manage to pull together enough forces to fight. It turns out that, when you destroy the capital with a superlaser and then destroy the entire fleet and leadership of the only political power that could fill the vacuum, the entire economy crashes. If the galaxy ran on fiat currency then there is no longer anyone to enforce said fiat, and all the casino planet arms-dealers now not only find both that no one has money to buy their weapons, but that their own wealth is now worthless, which further cascades into a collapse of the weapons industry that apparently is the true cause of all these Star Wars. If the Galaxy instead ran on Space-Gold or Space-Silver, we get something like the economic crisis' that helped destroy Rome and Han China. Rich people hoard, only paying out in Space-Copper while only accepting Space-Gold/Silver, causing such a lack of hard cash among the masses that the economy grinds to a halt and splinters the galaxy into bickering petty fiefdoms. In either case you eventually reach a point where no one can maintain more than regional control. And Bandits and such start realizing things like "If I have the Blasters why don't I just take what I want from the arms dealers by violence since there's no authority left to stop me?"
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Apr 19, 2019 02:59
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Good news. Jon Favreau actually consulted Lucas on stuff when making The Mandalorian.
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Apr 19, 2019 03:48
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The MSJ posted:Good news. Jon Favreau actually consulted Lucas on stuff when making The Mandalorian. "Boba Icky"
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Apr 19, 2019 03:54
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The MSJ posted:Good news. Jon Favreau actually consulted Lucas on stuff when making The Mandalorian. I hope Lucas just told him a bunch of nonsense that Favreau thought was legit.
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Apr 19, 2019 03:57
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Ingmar terdman posted:"Boba Icky"
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Apr 19, 2019 04:06
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Still waiting for the Disney Vault to release Lucas' scripts for his never-happening live-action show.
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Apr 19, 2019 05:12
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MonsieurChoc posted:Still waiting for the Disney Vault to release Lucas' scripts for his never-happening live-action show. Yo Mouse, give up the scripts for the Midichlorian Microscopic Ghost Movies.
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Apr 19, 2019 08:24
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George, this isnt a script. Its a hundred pages on why Buck Rogers could kick Flash Gordons rear end.
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Apr 19, 2019 09:17
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Ingmar terdman posted:"Boba Icky" Ickybob Fettsanius.
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Apr 19, 2019 11:54
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galagazombie posted:TROS won't make any sense unless the Resistance and First Order are so depreciated and lacking in funds/supplies/manpower, that they cannot even manage to pull together enough forces to fight. It turns out that, when you destroy the capital with a superlaser and then destroy the entire fleet and leadership of the only political power that could fill the vacuum, the entire economy crashes. If the galaxy ran on fiat currency then there is no longer anyone to enforce said fiat, and all the casino planet arms-dealers now not only find both that no one has money to buy their weapons, but that their own wealth is now worthless, which further cascades into a collapse of the weapons industry that apparently is the true cause of all these Star Wars. If the Galaxy instead ran on Space-Gold or Space-Silver, we get something like the economic crisis' that helped destroy Rome and Han China. Rich people hoard, only paying out in Space-Copper while only accepting Space-Gold/Silver, causing such a lack of hard cash among the masses that the economy grinds to a halt and splinters the galaxy into bickering petty fiefdoms. In either case you eventually reach a point where no one can maintain more than regional control. And Bandits and such start realizing things like "If I have the Blasters why don't I just take what I want from the arms dealers by violence since there's no authority left to stop me?" Fortunately, the Galactic Reserve is, like the Republic government, itinerant, moving its headquarters from planet to planet, but always on a different planet than the Republic government (it's nominally independent, you see). Snoke was actually the Chair of the Galactic Reserve.
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Apr 19, 2019 19:19
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You can ask all kinds of questions. Like, why didn’t Hux just hyperspace-track Poe back to the Resistance base, at the start of Episode 7, instead of shooting him with a missile?
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Apr 19, 2019 19:59
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Barudak posted:George, this isnt a script. Its a hundred pages on why Buck Rogers could kick Flash Gordons rear end. I'd watch it
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Apr 19, 2019 20:04
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I'd watch a youtube show where George Lucas talks about movies while he eats at a mall food court.
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Apr 19, 2019 20:27
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I’d pay fifty Australian dollars to see Gordon v Rogers: Dawn Of Buckflash.
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Apr 19, 2019 20:32
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:You can ask all kinds of questions. Well there does seem to be something in TLJ about how it's Snoke's ship that does the tracking. But then they say if they disable it that they will switch back to another ship, so is it only Snoke's ship that can do it but they can route it through the others if its present? Of course none of this makes sense since following people through Hyperspace has been present since ANH. Not the tracking device on the Falcon mind you, but Vader chasing Leia's Blockade Runner. Hell Rogue One literally ends with Vader chasing Leia through Hyperspace and that's the movie immediately preceding TLJ. The movie would have worked a lot better if instead of a chase it was a siege. Have the Rebels stuck in orbit around an asteroid or even just at their base from the beginning. That way you keep the "running out of time" narrative while avoiding all the inconsistencies. Like it makes sense that a single small ship might be able to run a blockade to go have adventures on Casino Planet. Likewise the "Call people for help on the radio" thing makes more sense as helping lift a siege. Finally it gives an actually sensible conflict for Poe to Have with Holdo. Poe wants to fight but Holdo wants to sneak out. There, you now have a sensible idealogical conflict that still retains the themes about wasting lives and the nature of bravado and such.
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Apr 19, 2019 21:02
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galagazombie posted:The movie would have worked a lot better if instead of a chase it was a siege. Have the Rebels stuck in orbit around an asteroid or even just at their base from the beginning. That way you keep the "running out of time" narrative while avoiding all the inconsistencies. Like it makes sense that a single small ship might be able to run a blockade to go have adventures on Casino Planet. Likewise the "Call people for help on the radio" thing makes more sense as helping lift a siege. Finally it gives an actually sensible conflict for Poe to Have with Holdo. Poe wants to fight but Holdo wants to sneak out. There, you now have a sensible idealogical conflict that still retains the themes about wasting lives and the nature of bravado and such. You've described The Phantom Menace.
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Apr 19, 2019 22:31
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^^^ Lol galagazombie posted:Of course none of this makes sense since following people through Hyperspace has been present since ANH. Not the tracking device on the Falcon mind you, but Vader chasing Leia's Blockade Runner. Hell Rogue One literally ends with Vader chasing Leia through Hyperspace and that's the movie immediately preceding TLJ. Well no; there’s a very big difference between not-showing how Vader finds the blockade runner after Rogue One (because the gap between films leaves open dozens of possibilies, and its ultimately not very important) and explicitly showing that Hux has this game-changing technology that completely changes how space combat ‘works’ in the narrative of Star Wars. Like, how all the space action scenes play out. Watching Rogue One and New Hope back-to-back, the point is that Vader is doggedly pursuing that ship, and eventually finds it. (Note that there is no plot hole whatsoever in New Hope itself. Vader simply found the ship by tracing a phone-call.)
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Apr 19, 2019 22:52
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Schwarzwald posted:You've described The Phantom Menace. I mean the actual premise was just Battlestar Galactica basically so
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Apr 20, 2019 02:08
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The funny thing about Snoke's super hyperspace tracker is that, according to the TLJ novel, it's just a fancy calculator. When Admiral Whoever gives the order to track the Falcon in ESB by calculating all possible routes, that is all Snoke's tracker does. It just does it more quickly than average. So, no one should think it is impossible. People should be surprised by how quickly they can find them, and keep finding them. But that would bring TLJ drastically closer to 33, the episode of Battlestar Galactica that people already see the movie borrowing from.
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Apr 20, 2019 02:11
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Milkfred E. Moore posted:The funny thing about Snoke's super hyperspace tracker is that, according to the TLJ novel, it's just a fancy calculator. When Admiral Whoever gives the order to track the Falcon in ESB by calculating all possible routes, that is all Snoke's tracker does. It just does it more quickly than average. ...and that means you could easily fool it with just two quick boosts. Briefly jump in any direction, then quickly turn and jump again. But that explanation isn’t in the film anyways. What we do have is the rope analogy, which amounts to there being multiple big radars that can lock onto the ship one-at-time because of some bullshit (signal interference, whatever). So you can picture a single rope attached to the Rebel mothership. If they kill the guy holding the rope, Rose theorizes that another guy will just pick it up again so they need to secretly unhook the rope. It’s incredibly poorly explained and needlessly complicated on top of that, but that’s the idea. Compounding things, the little hologram that they use to explain the problem doesn’t actually match what they’re talking about.
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Apr 20, 2019 03:28
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:...and that means you could easily fool it with just two quick boosts. Briefly jump in any direction, then quickly turn and jump again. It also doesn't explain why the Rebels didn't just jump their ships in different directions. Sure one might be tracked but now the other two can go call "allies in the outer rim" or whatever.
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Apr 20, 2019 09:14
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:...and that means you could easily fool it with just two quick boosts. Briefly jump in any direction, then quickly turn and jump again. I thought you held these kind of things in contempt as "tactical realism"
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Apr 20, 2019 16:09
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:...and that means you could easily fool it with just two quick boosts. Briefly jump in any direction, then quickly turn and jump again. Ben Kenobi: How long before you make the jump to lightspeed? Han Solo: It'll take a few moments to get the coordinates from the navicomputer. Luke Skywalker: Are you kidding? At the rate they're gaining— Han Solo: Traveling through hyperspace ain't like dusting crops, boy! Without precise calculations we could fly right through a star or bounce too close to a supernova and that'd end your trip real quick, wouldn't it? You can't just jump, then jump again - there's a delay where you have to program the second jump, and during that time, the FO would pop in and blow you to smithereens
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Apr 20, 2019 20:04
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At this point I'm 85% sure there was a spy plot that was dropped because, I dunno, Rose was the spy and they chickened out, but that was the connective tissue of the movie. Most of the bizarre decisions made by the characters gain more sense if they are all worried about a spy in their midst
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Apr 20, 2019 23:45
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Vinylshadow posted:Ben Kenobi: How long before you make the jump to lightspeed? Instead of Holdo lightspeeding into the flagship, she should have just intentionally jumped into a supernova and taken out the entire First Order in one fell swoop
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Apr 21, 2019 00:05
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Schwarzwald posted:You've described The Phantom Menace.
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Apr 21, 2019 01:53
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TLJ is poo poo, which I can live with. What irks me is that it's making everything else about Star Wars worse.
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Apr 21, 2019 04:19
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Guy A. Person posted:Instead of Holdo lightspeeding into the flagship, she should have just intentionally jumped into a supernova and taken out the entire First Order in one fell swoop Hell if you can blow up stuff with Hyperspace you don't even need a Death Star. "Oh hey you rebelling? Be a real shame if someone jumped a garbage scow into your star..."
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Apr 21, 2019 05:05
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Daddy Thanos posted:I thought you held these kind of things in contempt as "tactical realism" Tactical Realism is the insistence that characters must behave optimally in a given scenario - that films are essentially simulations, existing to instruct. The issue with TLJ is not that the characters behave sub-optimally in the scenario, but that the scenario itself is borderline incomprehensible.
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Apr 21, 2019 05:51
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Tactical Realism is the insistence that characters must behave optimally in a given scenario - that films are essentially simulations, existing to instruct. Oh okay that's fair. That means the bullshit arguments about Thanos doubling resources are also tactical realism and I don't like them
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Apr 21, 2019 06:07
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thanos being an idiot fascist is fine. the part where the film bends over backwards to make idiotic fascism looks extremely relatable and reasonable is less so
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Apr 21, 2019 06:41
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Daddy Thanos posted:Oh okay that's fair. That means the bullshit arguments about Thanos doubling resources are also tactical realism and I don't like them That's not tactical realism tho. If anything, Thanos' train of thought is the "tactical realism" to the "doubling resources" common sense train of thought. Thanos isn't looking out for the betterment of the galaxy, but to teach it a lesson via his idealogy.
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Apr 21, 2019 07:39
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ruddiger posted:That's not tactical realism tho. If anything, Thanos' train of thought is the "tactical realism" to the "doubling resources" common sense train of thought. Right exactly. People say that Thanos really should've used his omnipotence more wisely, and in making this complaint they neglect to consider that his unwise use of his omnipotence is the point. "Tactical realism" in this context is shorthand for arguments of the form "The movie is bad because the character makes a mistake."
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Apr 21, 2019 07:46
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Bongo Bill posted:Right exactly. People say that Thanos really should've used his omnipotence more wisely, and in making this complaint they neglect to consider that his unwise use of his omnipotence is the point. "Tactical realism" in this context is shorthand for arguments of the form "The movie is bad because the character makes a mistake." That's what I meant
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ungulateman posted:thanos being an idiot fascist is fine. the part where the film bends over backwards to make idiotic fascism looks extremely relatable and reasonable is less so It was more relatable and reasonable when his motivation was that he wanted a big titty goth gf
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