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Is it funnier if the Giants draft no QB at all, or reach for a lovely QB 
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Apr 19, 2019 23:34
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Docjowles posted:Is it funnier if the Giants draft no QB at all, or reach for a lovely QB What would qualify as a not-funny Giants draft? Haskins at 17?
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Apr 19, 2019 23:56
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fsif posted:What would qualify as a not-funny Giants draft? Haskins at 17? If they drafted defense at 6 and 17 and traded their 2nd rounder for Rosen.
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Apr 20, 2019 00:16
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You guys may be mistaking the Giants when it well could be the Broncos or Jags
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Apr 20, 2019 00:27
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MY NIGGA D-LINK posted:You guys may be mistaking the Giants when it well could be the Broncos or Jags Drew Lock has Denver written all over him
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Apr 20, 2019 00:28
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MY NIGGA D-LINK posted:You guys may be mistaking the Giants when it well could be the Broncos or Jags The Jags are locked into Foles for 3 more years. No chance they’re taking a QB.
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Apr 20, 2019 00:34
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Matt Miller of Bleacher Report suggested that the Giants are actually interested in Dwayne Haskins at 6 and all the Daniel Jones stuff is a smokescreen. Makes sense, but I’d feel pretty dumb getting rolled by Gettleman.
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Apr 20, 2019 03:04
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Giants not drafting a QB is no big deal. No one in this class looks like a lights out franchise QB and there will be much better QBs next year and then Trevor Lawrence after that. With the plethora of talent in this class I'd probably be disappointed if they reached.
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Apr 20, 2019 03:09
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Where do you guys think Hock will go? I'm starting to think the Packers may need to trade up for him if they want to get him but maybe I've been reading too many mock drafts.
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Apr 20, 2019 03:18
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SKULL.GIF posted:Where do you guys think Hock will go? I'm starting to think the Packers may need to trade up for him if they want to get him but maybe I've been reading too many mock drafts. top 10
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Apr 20, 2019 04:38
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SKULL.GIF posted:Where do you guys think Hock will go? I'm starting to think the Packers may need to trade up for him if they want to get him but maybe I've been reading too many mock drafts. somewhere in the 20's. I'm not buying him going in the first half of the first
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Apr 20, 2019 05:15
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I feel OJ Howard got much more top 10 hype than Hoch and he ended up slipping. Top 20 is definitely reasonable.
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Apr 20, 2019 13:41
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I’m sure some draft nerd will tell me “they’re totally different prospects!”, but we’ve been burned by too many Brandon Pettigrew’s and Eric Ebron’s to ever make me want to select a tight end in the early part of the first round.
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Apr 20, 2019 13:56
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If he's still on the board, and both Devins are gone, guarantee the Steelers take Hock
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Apr 20, 2019 15:00
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Diva Cupcake posted:I feel OJ Howard got much more top 10 hype than Hoch and he ended up slipping. Top 20 is definitely reasonable. Hockenson is getting huge hype he went from top 50 to top 25. He's seen as an instant starter and the next Gronk.
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Apr 20, 2019 17:09
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Maybe I’m wrong but I feel like people are talking about Hock like he’s a generational TE prospect. I’d go as far as say I’d be shocked if he doesn’t go top 10.
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Apr 20, 2019 17:14
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People are hyping him up as a less injury prone Gronk clone, yeah. Obviously that’d be worth a top 5 pick if accurate.
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Apr 20, 2019 17:23
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In my opinion Hockenson looks like a guy you can plan deep routes around which is what made Gronk so deadly. Send him on wheels, sluggos, let him work seams past 10 yards. It's hard to find TEs like that who can also do all the short routes and blocking. He's not Gronkowski though, that guy was a tank. Hockenson will do his damage bodying people on routes but he won't be dragging people or pancaking LBs like Gronkowski.
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Apr 20, 2019 17:43
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I was thinking about what was the highest a TE has ever been taken in the draft. Best I could find was Vernon Davis @ #6. Was Vernon Davis worth the #6 pick? Would this TE be as good as Vernon Davis? (who admittedly got good after a little while)
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Apr 20, 2019 18:00
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At least in the last 20 years it’s only been Vernon Davis and Kellen Winslow. Ebron was 10.
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Apr 20, 2019 18:23
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Davis was absolutely worth a top 10 pick at the time
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Apr 20, 2019 18:55
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fsif posted:People are hyping him up as a less injury prone Gronk clone, yeah. Obviously that’d be worth a top 5 pick if accurate. I just would never trust anyone who comps someone to a freak HoFer. Like yeah, there's been guys with Gronk's size and athleticism, but none who also had hands as soft as his. It's like comparing any pass rusher ever to Aaron Donald. Yeah, there's athletic freaks, but none who also knew how to annihilate blockers like he does.
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Apr 20, 2019 18:58
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People are acting like Hockerson had Fants combine and it's nuts. Hell there was this much hype around Howard to and it honestly feels like draftniks just have a massive hard on for the guy instead of actual NFL teams being that interested.
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Apr 20, 2019 19:23
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https://twitter.com/uSTADIUM/status/1119668133336420352
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Apr 20, 2019 19:47
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Kalli posted:I just would never trust anyone who comps someone to a freak HoFer. Like yeah, there's been guys with Gronk's size and athleticism, but none who also had hands as soft as his. It's like comparing any pass rusher ever to Aaron Donald. Yeah, there's athletic freaks, but none who also knew how to annihilate blockers like he does.
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Apr 20, 2019 20:52
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For me the big draw for Hockenson is his blocking, not his catching. That he can catch is a massive bonus and makes the pick worthwhile. If he was a primary pass catcher like Fant then I'd be much less interested. The Packers offense is missing that one piece, a guy who can do everything and enables multiple packages to work without giving away the gameplan by being on the field. The team's tried to find that player in free agency the past few seasons and it hasn't worked out.
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Apr 20, 2019 20:59
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McGinns my favorite draftnik because he actually has NFL connections so this is one hell of a list. I had no idea Simmons was regarded so highly. Ches Neckbeard posted:People are acting like Hockerson had Fants combine and it's nuts. Hell there was this much hype around Howard to and it honestly feels like draftniks just have a massive hard on for the guy instead of actual NFL teams being that interested. The combine has no correlation to on the field success. Making a case for a player around his combine numbers is worse than having a 'hard on' for the guy.
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Apr 20, 2019 21:41
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Who's your #1 pick based on how hard he makes you?
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Apr 20, 2019 22:07
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Mega64 posted:Who's your #1 pick based on how hard he makes you? Jason Statham, always Edit:. Wrong thread
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Apr 20, 2019 22:30
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Mega64 posted:Who's your #1 pick based on how hard he makes you? Jason Mamoa can wreck my buttle
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Apr 20, 2019 23:17
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Mega64 posted:Who's your #1 pick based on how hard he makes you? DK 8 Pack Metcalf
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Apr 20, 2019 23:20
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Bob McGinn's profile on Dwayne Haskins had some pretty loving wild comments from scouts:quote:2. DWAYNE HASKINS, Ohio State (6-3 ½, 229, 5.02, 1): Rewrote the Big Ten record book in only season as a starter with 4,831 yards and 50 TD passes. “He threw 50 touchdown passes and they run the ball there,” one scout said. “He is a really good pocket passer that can also roll out and throw on the move. He’s not a runner. Being a black guy people think he’s going to be an athlete-runner. He’s not, but he has good feet. He’s far from a statue. The guy can throw the ball. Holy hell. Big-time arm. Accurate. He’s just not ready to be an NFL starter.” Turns 22 a week after the draft. Played eight games off the bench in 2017, igniting a comeback victory at Michigan in relief of injured J.T. Barrett, and started 14 games in ’18. Third-year sophomore bypassed his final two seasons. “He reminded me of Steve McNair (6-1 1/2, 225), and it wasn’t because McNair was black,” another scout said. “He didn’t have great speed, either, but he knew how to move around in the pocket. Haskins is a pocket guy. He’s exactly what you want in the National Football League. Some day, (Patrick) Mahomes is going to get hurt. Deshaun Watson is always hurt. RGIII got hurt. This guy is special.” Passer rating of 123.2 in 2018. “If he’s at his best he’s a bottom-15 QB in the NFL,” a third scout said. “Franchise quarterbacks make everybody better. He’s not that guy. He needs to be on a good team like he had at Ohio State. If he has no talent around him you’re talking about a 2-14, 3-13 season. He is not dynamic enough to bring them out of that. He gets a little long and a little high on his throws at times, the deep corners. I worry a little bit about his weight. Obviously, he’s probably in the best shape he’ll ever be in now.” Compounded his bad 40 at the combine by electing not to try again at his pro day. “His stats kind of lie,” said a fourth scout. “When he’s working within the rhythm of that offense he can pick people apart. Makes it easy for him. When he gets pressured and things get in his face he’s not accurate and sprays the ball. He just can’t move his body around well enough in the pocket because he’s slow-footed. That will continue in the NFL. His movements remind me of Jameis Winston. He was an awkward athlete. He sprayed the ball over when he got pressured. Or Byron Leftwich. I just don’t see him as a constant playoff threat, the kind of quarterback you will have to worry about.” Should become the Buckeyes’ first QB taken in the first round since Art Schlichter went No. 4 in 1982. “When you see Dwayne have to throw from an NFL-type pocket, a muddled pocket, he is frantic,” said a fifth scout. “The accuracy changes. When it’s clean, yeah, he’s got a whip. Problem is when there’s inversions from different points. Tom Brady, Drew Brees, they’re exceptional working the pocket. I don’t see that with him. Can he develop it? I don’t know.” From Potomac, Md. Wonderlic of 25. Added a sixth scout: “No quarterback likes to get hit but I really don’t think he likes to get hit. That’s the biggest thing with Dwayne. He rushes the ball out of his hand a lot. Other guys are willing to hold that ball to the last (second) to let that route clear open. He didn’t show the willingness to do that. You can go almost entire games without seeing Dwayne Haskins on the ground.” A good 60% of NFL scouts probably maintain a list of black players who are "thugs" and "one of the good ones" and broadly should not be allowed near any sort of reporter or really more than two or three people gathered in a place at a time. Hamhandler fucked around with this message at 03:18 on Apr 22, 2019 |
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Apr 22, 2019 03:13
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It's unfortunate but yes many scouts are lazy/racist and compare everyone to someone who is the same skin color. Look at any white receiver. I'm also under the opinion that the scouting department on most teams are the biggest hives of good ol boys/nepotism hires. I have this opinion because I know a kid who is in the Jets analytics department that can barely do math but his dad is friends with a higher up in that organization. I think the most to take out of this is to realize that player comparisons are almost as dumb as mock drafts.
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Apr 22, 2019 03:22
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Some scout posted:He’s not a runner. Being a black guy people think he’s going to be an athlete-runner. Doltos posted:It's unfortunate but yes many scouts are lazy/racist and compare everyone to someone who is the same skin color. It was a long time ago but Byron Leftwich was my favorite example of this. The man moved like a piece of construction equipment and so many people who should have known better called him mobile. Like, you didn't have to be a draftnik to realize he ran like he was knee deep in mud.
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Apr 22, 2019 03:46
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Grittybeard posted:It was a long time ago but Byron Leftwich was my favorite example of this. The man moved like a piece of construction equipment and so many people who should have known better called him mobile. Like, you didn't have to be a draftnik to realize he ran like he was knee deep in mud. like, the only thing anyone knew about leftwich going into the draft was about him being literally carried to the line of scrimmage between plays
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Apr 22, 2019 04:00
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Grittybeard posted:It was a long time ago but Byron Leftwich was my favorite example of this. The man moved like a piece of construction equipment and so many people who should have known better called him mobile. Like, you didn't have to be a draftnik to realize he ran like he was knee deep in mud. I feel like there's terrible analysis for every player in the draft out there on the internet, analysis that can only be the product of someone who blatantly never watched the prospect play more than a few snaps or only watched highlight film, or no film at all. It's just more blatant with black QBs being called mobile or inaccurate or white position players being called sneaky athletic.
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Apr 22, 2019 04:05
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is there any kind of repository for old scouting reports, i wanna read ones about like, Don Beebe and poo poo
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Apr 22, 2019 04:11
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Mccloughan was the one who brought up Haskins being Byron Leftwich and he’s pretty well respected minus the unchecked alcoholism. quote:He watched each of the top QB prospects over the last several months and came to a conclusion: Murray is the best of the bunch by a mile. Better than former Ohio State quarterback Dwayne Haskins, who McCloughan describes as "Byron Leftwich to a 'T'." Better than Missouri's Drew Lock, West Virginia's Will Grier and Duke's Daniel Jones, too. However, stacked up against last year's QB class, Murray would rank fifth, McCloughan says, behind Mayfield, Sam Darnold, Josh Allen and Josh Rosen, but before Lamar Jackson.
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Apr 22, 2019 05:02
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So trade for Rosen
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Amy Pole Her posted:So trade for Rosen the giants have a quarterback who's won 2 super bowls, why would you need a different one.
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