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Pretty much every mainline entry between the original gen 3 games and ORAS actually had its own take on the contest concept, and they all basically were just grooming and dressup games.* Hoenn contests are far better and more interesting than all of them. *Okay, Sinnoh contests were a little more involved than that, I think, but literally all I remember about Sinnoh contests is "watered down version of Hoenn contests."
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Swampert naturally gets a solid contest setup(beauty iirc) I remember in og Sapphire that MF won every contest and then single handedly beat the entire elite 4. I did the one Pokemon challenge for the first three gens as a kid.
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swampert rules
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# ? Apr 20, 2019 01:03 |
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Gripweed posted:I don't know how Pokemon contest works and i refuse to put energy into learning. I'm not googling what moves are tough and what order they need to be in to get the most toughness out of the audience or whatever. If they wanted to make a Pokemon beauty contest thing, great, make that a spinoff game. Give it's own mechanics that make sense. Eeverybody would love a Pokemon grooming and dressup game. Cobbling together this nonsense minigame using the existing battle mechanics is terrible. I won't do it again. That audience wouldn't know a good Pikachu if it killed them with electricity. I never found contests to be my cup of tea. But I can get it if you have a pokemon that's never going to be good at battling and set them up so they can run the contest circuit. Also anything that references idol culture always makes me think of Perfect Blue and I get creeped out.
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ArmyOfMidgets posted:Pokemon White is my favorite game and I hope this post isn't so huge it can't even post gently caress i gotta go to work Just posting to say I really enjoyed reading your take on BW's story, about how communities coming together is one of the most mature things this game series has ever done. Coming out of that to Gen 6 was really a let down. Also, shout out to Ghetsis for being the best villain in the whole goddamn series. Dude didn't do just dramatic speeches nor had a bunch of plots to manipulate others to conquer the region for the sake of something abstract like other villains in the series. He did everything unapologetically, cold, and calculating for a realistic power bid. His Hydreigon knows Frustration at full power. Hell, his whole team seems to have been carefully picked to take on N in case he wouldn't obey his orders. Everything and everyone is a tool to him. And then on the sequel he goes completely bonkers after having his decade-long ambition thwarted and you hear it clearly in his battle theme, completely chaotic in comparison to the original. Well, that and the whole "Kyurem, use Murder Child" Was not surprised to see him in UltraSM ready to murder Lillie. Best villain.
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# ? Apr 20, 2019 01:27 |
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Thinking about it more, I really liked contests. It provided strategy that I honestly still think regular combat lacks. Comboing your own moves together and both messing up your opponents as well as having to predict when they'll do likewise.
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Saoshyant posted:Just posting to say I really enjoyed reading your take on BW's story, about how communities coming together is one of the most mature things this game series has ever done. Coming out of that to Gen 6 was really a let down. Thanks, man. Yeah! Ghetsis is great. And there's of course N who was manipulated, but also pretty much everyone else in the organization. He told so many people what they wanted to hear. One of the sages talks about how Ghetsis showed him a purpose or something to that effect, and then gives you the TM for Calm Mind that Ghetsis had given him. I don't think all the Sages match their TMs, but it really shows how he understood people, and used that for his selfish gain versus N who only understood pokemon. The scientists that hacked the entire PC system for Plasma to release all pokemon also mention that they worked off of Ghetsis' genius, so he's very well studied in that regard too. And then when he gets to talk with Alder, he knows exactly what nerves to hit. His battle theme is also super cool. N's is erratic, yet melodic. It features a part where things slow down and on the left side you hear your heart beats, on the right his, and it's cool as hell like an audio version of the classic shonen "you understand each other's heart in battle" stuff. Ghetsis has these imposing drums that drown everything. Best villain for sure. Wonder how he felt about his many years of carefully plotting to see some guy on the news just explicitly talk about genocide only for the professor to swoon and everything to almost work regardless.
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# ? Apr 20, 2019 04:06 |
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Is there anyway to get good moves on my Alolan Sandslash in Ultra Moon without the Move Reminder? It seems all his good moves are those "level 1" ones. I'd go to the Move Reminder but apparently he's not till the elite 4 at which point the games over anyway.
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galagazombie posted:Is there anyway to get good moves on my Alolan Sandslash in Ultra Moon without the Move Reminder? It seems all his good moves are those "level 1" ones. I'd go to the Move Reminder but apparently he's not till the elite 4 at which point the games over anyway. TMs are kinda you're only other option. Alolaslash's moveset is the result of it being a stone evolution. Even older examples like Raichu and Starmie have the same problem.
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ArmyOfMidgets posted:Thanks, man. Not to mention the disturbingly real depictions of child abuse and how a cult actually works. N genuinely believed in the cause and was deliberately mentally stunted to that end. His room is loving terrifying with that broken music box theme. It also makes you wonder whether or not Ghetsis was telling the truth about finding him abandoned or he made other arrangements.....guy was most definitely planning on murdering him once his role was finished though. Not too many pokemon villains are that blunt about it. I think the only other one was Lusamine while Lysandre was more about genocide.
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# ? Apr 20, 2019 07:54 |
Every video game would be improved if it featured a mountain that had been hollowed out to be used as a giant multi-level graveyard
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Flopsy posted:Not to mention the disturbingly real depictions of child abuse and how a cult actually works. N genuinely believed in the cause and was deliberately mentally stunted to that end. His room is loving terrifying with that broken music box theme. It also makes you wonder whether or not Ghetsis was telling the truth about finding him abandoned or he made other arrangements.....guy was most definitely planning on murdering him once his role was finished though. Not too many pokemon villains are that blunt about it. I think the only other one was Lusamine while Lysandre was more about genocide. X/Y really felt unfinished, Team Flare is definitely comically undeveloped and flat for what amount to apocalypse cultists. And also a case of raising the stakes way too high. Team Galactic I have a soft spot for because their whole plot is basically a Pokemon take on a Cthulhu cult, and only reading between the lines do you realise what Cyrus' plan actually was. Feels like there's a lot of unsaid plot with Team Plasma like where the hell they actually came from and why they have a king. (My guess is they were a Knights Templar esque organisation founded in ancient times and dedicated to ensuring Pokemon were treated well, and mostly under Ghetsis got more of a PETA streak) The other organisations generally have more clear reasons why they exist and what they do; Team Rocket are just the mafia, Aqua and Magma are ecoterrorists with odd ideas about terraforming, Galactic are Pokescientology, and Team Skull of course get a bit more insight into where they come from and why. Does make me wonder what we'll see in Sword and Shield. They already did the whole knights thing full hog, but the gangs have never really necessarily been aesthetically matched to the setting anyway. I do wonder if at some point we're going to see a Mad Max raider gang styled team.
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# ? Apr 20, 2019 14:57 |
Well, the relics of the undersea thing might be the true origins of plasma. They speak of a king and his name is likely Harmonia https://m.bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Abyssal_Ruins I think Ghetsis found some relics and based Team Plasma on that kingdom; built everything around that aesthetic but while using high tech. A front that they were actually nobel by having a culture and apperance.
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ArmyOfMidgets posted:Hit the credits again and beat Cynthia. Pokemon White is concluded. Sir, this is a Burger King Drive Thru
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# ? Apr 20, 2019 15:23 |
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ah yes the timely and funny meme
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# ? Apr 20, 2019 15:30 |
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iospace posted:Sir, this is a Burger King Drive Thru How strange that somebody would effort post about Pokémon, here in the Pokémon thread
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thetoughestbean posted:How strange that somebody would effort post about Pokémon, here in the Pokémon thread
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# ? Apr 20, 2019 16:41 |
I know that Pokemon is a game for small children, so I'm not gonna say that it's weird that the world has apparently accepted that the point man on stopping a terrorist organization from summoning an ancient god to sink the land below the waves is a 12 year old boy. That's fine. I do think it's weird that despite that, everybody is still like, "I hope you're having fun on your Pokemon adventure! You should challenge our local gym leader, he's real strong!"
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Gripweed posted:I know that Pokemon is a game for small children, so I'm not gonna say that it's weird that the world has apparently accepted that the point man on stopping a terrorist organization from summoning an ancient god to sink the land below the waves is a 12 year old boy. That's fine. I think if you live in the Pokemon universe you just kind of have to accept that kids and teens are going to achieve everything that matters while you carry on with your life. To be fair, you probably saved the world when you were ten, so why the hell should these kids get an easy ride? Defeat Cthulhu yourself, you goddamn millennial.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:X/Y really felt unfinished, Team Flare is definitely comically undeveloped and flat for what amount to apocalypse cultists. And also a case of raising the stakes way too high. Vikings are a possibility or like Mr. Buddy's video guessed possibly Roman invaders. Or it could just be straight up pokemon "War of the Roses" so who knows. I'm there with you about team Flare though. I remember everyone laughing their rear end off at the game trying to play down Lysandre like he wasn't the big villain with his ridiculous rear end hair and weird philosophizing. Flopsy fucked around with this message at 16:52 on Apr 20, 2019 |
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Does make me wonder what we'll see in Sword and Shield. They already did the whole knights thing full hog, but the gangs have never really necessarily been aesthetically matched to the setting anyway. I do wonder if at some point we're going to see a Mad Max raider gang styled team. Team A is dedicated to delivering Galeave, it's what the people voted for and we need to do it. We're going to have a meaningful battle now, and you'll give me your pokemon. ...OK, I know I might have lost the battle, but nothing has changed, I still need your pokemon. Let's have another meaningful battle. ...OK, I know I might have lost the battle, but nothing has changed, I still need your pokemon. Let's have another meaningful battle. ...OK, I know I might have lost the battle, but nothing has changed, I still need your pokemon. Let's have another meaningful battle.
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# ? Apr 20, 2019 17:25 |
I think only Hoenn, Unova and Kalos have those big public events. Gen 1 and 2 are crime syndicates that the average adult just hears on the news got taken down, Gen 4 I think the InterPol and Cynthia managed to hide enough, and SM was strange portals for a few minutes, the local hooligans are at it again. Then, yeah, Hoenn got nature completely devastated for a hot day, Unova saw its E4/Championship get made a mockery while a huge drill castle came out of it, but the protag did stop it all before N could fly around in a giant dragon and tell people to release their pokemon, so maybe it wasn't too bad. Kalos had the huge beam that wiped out a town and was threatening directly to destroy life, and then the godking of legend walked live on to the biggest parade and confirmed that immortality IS real.
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# ? Apr 20, 2019 17:40 |
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And then Alola dealt with listless, disenfranchised and frustrated youths and confirmation of interdimensional alien lifeforms
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thetoughestbean posted:How strange that somebody would effort post about Pokémon, here in the Pokémon thread It felt like a quote from elsewhere until I saw the posts on this page, that's all. Apologies. iospace fucked around with this message at 18:30 on Apr 20, 2019 |
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It's real apparent there needed to be a "Z" version or something. There were so many things Like AZ or a member of the Elite 4 being part of the villain team, or so many unused Paths, or implications from NPC dialogue that scream "Insert extra content here".
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# ? Apr 20, 2019 18:44 |
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Does make me wonder what we'll see in Sword and Shield. They already did the whole knights thing full hog, but the gangs have never really necessarily been aesthetically matched to the setting anyway. I do wonder if at some point we're going to see a Mad Max raider gang styled team. Since Team Plasma did knights in an American setting, Sword/Shield's Team will be cowboys in a UK setting.
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# ? Apr 20, 2019 18:57 |
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I kind of hope we get something entirely different from "group of people who dress in a goofy fashion led by a bad guy who wants to abuse Pokémon for power" as the main antagonistic force. Sun and Moon (and Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon) were steps in the right direction.galagazombie posted:It's real apparent there needed to be a "Z" version or something. There were so many things Like AZ or a member of the Elite 4 being part of the villain team, or so many unused Paths, or implications from NPC dialogue that scream "Insert extra content here". That's what people are hoping will be addressed in Sword and Shield, mostly due to U.K's close proximity to France.
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I can't believe you murder Pokemon Boris Johnson in the new game
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mandatory lesbian posted:I can't believe you murder Pokemon Boris Johnson in the new game The big bad is Nigel Farage
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# ? Apr 20, 2019 19:34 |
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I'm still convinced the champion will be the queen.
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# ? Apr 20, 2019 19:38 |
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I didn't realize you could get all the Pokemon episodes for free by downloading an app, my nephew is very happy about that e: lol what is this goofy new theme song. I kinda like it indigi fucked around with this message at 19:46 on Apr 20, 2019 |
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indigi posted:I didn't realize you could get all the Pokemon episodes for free by downloading an app, my nephew is very happy about that Which one? The current one? Cause remember, they do a new theme song every season. Hell, Sinnoh had 3 or 4 different theme songs over the course of the region.
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# ? Apr 20, 2019 20:17 |
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the ska one for Sun and Moon
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# ? Apr 20, 2019 20:18 |
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There’s no villainous team in Gen VIII, just the dawning realization that the Galar region was the villainous region of modern Pokémon world history
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# ? Apr 21, 2019 00:22 |
Boy, the Galar Museum sure has a lot of exhibits from other regions...
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# ? Apr 21, 2019 01:40 |
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Upcoming anime episode is about Matori trying to capture Bewear and Team Rocket having to protect her. I'm kinda worried the TRio's good graces with Giovanni since the DP era are gonna come to an end.
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# ? Apr 21, 2019 02:20 |
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Whoa, Matori is actually doing something nowadays? I remember when she was introduced at the end of DP and in BW and she basically did nothing besides stand there, look menacing, and talk to TR when Giovanni was busy/pissed at them.
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# ? Apr 21, 2019 03:00 |
She helms the Matori Matrix who threatened to get Ultra Necrozma's power, and the Alolan Meowth ended up with her as her assistant. Matori owns. She also has a buff goon called Gozu
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notthegoatseguy posted:Whoa, Matori is actually doing something nowadays? I remember when she was introduced at the end of DP and in BW and she basically did nothing besides stand there, look menacing, and talk to TR when Giovanni was busy/pissed at them. I think she was supposed to have a bigger role in that Relic Castle plot that got cancelled due to that Earthquake? But yeah, she was kind of useless until the Necrozma arc where she's now in the same role as Cassidy. Heck she wasn't even named anything in the English dub until the Necrozma arc some 9 years after her introduction. Team Rocket has so many members in it that they end up taking on similar and often redundant roles. Cassidy and Butch were originally better versions of Jessie and James until they somehow morphed into worse versions, and there's been several amoral scientists. I even remember an episode back in Johto that introduced an administrator who basically had the same role as Matori does now.
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iospace posted:I'm still convinced the champion will be the queen. They could make it a kind of evolution of the Battle Chateau, where whoever is currently champion is the monarch and getting more gym badges moves you up the aristocratic ranks till you face them for the pokecrown.
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