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Does Imperator have much to distinguish the countries? Seems like everyone picks from the same ideas and the same techs. Are there like unique ideas etc...a la EU?
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Zane posted:if you read about the roman war with hannibal as implied you get a pretty good sense of their manpower reserves since were able to keep raising armies even after getting 3 or 4 destroyed over a short span of years. those manpower reserves were remarkable because of the broad popular base of the republic. i think it was about ~300,000 men in ~250 BC. the greek successor kingdoms at their height had 100,000 maximum. the individual greek city states much smaller, maybe 20,000. it was rare to see a state running around with more than 50-100k however due to logistical and political capacities. Yes but uncritically reading ancient sources is.. not a very good idea. This is ancient history 101. EDIT: To clarify though, I don't really care about how it is in game, so long as it's balanced and fun. Ironically, it might be more immersive for a lot of people to have Massive Stax, since that's closer to the popular conception some people have. Beamed fucked around with this message at 04:16 on Apr 21, 2019 |
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Apr 21, 2019 04:10
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Imperator: Rome is actually an imperfect ancient source recalling your campaign that you shape in real time.
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Apr 21, 2019 04:16
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if all the sources across wide disparities in time/space are within the same order of magnitude then the scale and proportions can't be too wrong. but sure. there's an entire methodology of comparative reading and a sort of hypothetical demographic science in the specialist literature that tries to scrutinize the available data. i'm not sure there are better approximative estimates but i'd be interested to know!
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Apr 21, 2019 04:17
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Mantis42 posted:Imperator: Rome is actually an imperfect ancient source recalling your campaign that you shape in real time. Bactrian national idea unlocked: Golden termites
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Apr 21, 2019 04:23
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"All seemed lost, when the gods, in their infinite mercy, reversed time back to just before the start of the civil war; General Deodorus was promptly put to death."
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Apr 21, 2019 06:28
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Mantis42 posted:Imperator: Rome is actually an imperfect ancient source recalling your campaign that you shape in real time. Thrace idea unlocked: Greatest Oldest Bulgaria
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Apr 21, 2019 06:38
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appropriatemetaphor posted:Does Imperator have much to distinguish the countries? Seems like everyone picks from the same ideas and the same techs. There aren't any unique ideas, other than special events and decisions (the vast majority of which are for Rome) the most influential thing is the exact city / province that your capital is in since you can't move capitals and due to how the gameplay works your exact selection of capital is quite meaningful in the long term since it defines which trade goods you can most easily get a capital surplus of.
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Apr 21, 2019 07:07
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I'm about to have a poo poo ton of free time on my hands, so I was thinking of doing a LP since I've always wanted to do one. Since I'll be in the area, I was thinking Heraclea Pontica.
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Apr 21, 2019 07:08
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Agean90 posted:Bactrian national idea unlocked: Golden termites Paradox please
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Apr 21, 2019 07:11
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Krazyface posted:"All seemed lost, when the gods, in their infinite mercy, reversed time back to just before the start of the civil war; General Deodorus was promptly put to death." Lo did the Mighty Caesar spent his Laurel Mana in order that he may invent Learning on the Job. Hail to thee, Son of [Diety.NotFound], truly art thou magnanimous!
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Apr 21, 2019 07:14
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Zurakara posted:I'm about to have a poo poo ton of free time on my hands, so I was thinking of doing a LP since I've always wanted to do one. Since I'll be in the area, I was thinking Heraclea Pontica. I'm expecting someone will attempt Crete 2, and hopefully it will be as beautiful a mess as Crete 1.
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Apr 21, 2019 07:14
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The Crete LP still haunts me and all I did was read it.
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Apr 21, 2019 07:20
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Zane posted:if all the sources across wide disparities in time/space are within the same order of magnitude then the scale and proportions can't be too wrong. but sure. there's an entire methodology of comparative reading and a sort of hypothetical demographic science in the specialist literature that tries to scrutinize the available data. i'm not sure there are better approximative estimates but i'd be interested to know! Most historians accept the numbers the sources give so you would have to accept that all historians are wrong and you a random goon are correct. Which well good luck.
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Apr 21, 2019 11:30
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Forces of around 120.000 each which for instance Polybius puts some battles of the first Punic War arent totally unrealistic, unlike the million Persians at Thermopylae.
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Apr 21, 2019 13:56
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appropriatemetaphor posted:Does Imperator have much to distinguish the countries? Seems like everyone picks from the same ideas and the same techs. Different culture groups have different military ideas. Latin is different from Celtic which is different from Persian etc.
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Apr 21, 2019 14:29
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trapped mouse posted:Different culture groups have different military ideas. Latin is different from Celtic which is different from Persian etc. I think it's fake national ideas as a whole, but yea
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Apr 21, 2019 14:56
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The Narrator posted:I'm expecting someone will attempt Crete 2, and hopefully it will be as beautiful a mess as Crete 1. Not a bad idea, but I would probably choose a different country out of respect. Tribes seem like they can replicate democracy stuff a bit. But I won't be starting it for a couple weeks yet. Until I get to Zonguldak I'll be too busy to do any amount of gaming.
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Apr 21, 2019 17:49
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CharlestheHammer posted:Most historians accept the numbers the sources give so you would have to accept that all historians are wrong and you a random goon are correct. Which well good luck.
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Apr 21, 2019 18:10
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Zane posted:most historians don't accept 'the numbers the sources give.' they give more credence to some and less credence to others in the manner i've described. That’s true, and the consensus is the Roman and Persian armies probably fielded armies that wouldn’t see the same size in Europe until Napoleon or so. It would be unrealistic to match army numbers to CK2 or EU4 considering the population and administrative/logistical capabilities possessed by ancient powers prior to the “dark ages”/little ice age
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Apr 21, 2019 18:17
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Zane posted:most historians don't accept 'the numbers the sources give.' they give more credence to some and less credence to others in the manner i've described. Most of the historians accept Republican numbers and only start to doubt numbers when you get to mid to late empire numbers.
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Apr 21, 2019 18:28
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Zane posted:most historians don't accept 'the numbers the sources give.' they give more credence to some and less credence to others in the manner i've described. Yeah, and again usually the ancient historians weren't trying to get the exact number down pat, but were trying to show "lots" vs. "tons" vs. "many more", since that's sort of how history worked then.
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Apr 21, 2019 19:20
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Is there an Imperator thread yet by the way? I would do it but I never even played the first one. but I feel like 4 days out from release it's probably about time where we'll start to need one
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Apr 21, 2019 22:17
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If I can't send the millions-strong army of the Zhangzhung agains the also millions-strong army of the Iceni, then what is the point? Fudge the gently caress out of the population numbers.
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Apr 21, 2019 22:28
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Beamed posted:Yeah, and again usually the ancient historians weren't trying to get the exact number down pat, but were trying to show "lots" vs. "tons" vs. "many more", since that's sort of how history worked then. That's not really how that worked. Historians didn't just shrug and say, "Eh, seems like five hundred thousand Persians, why not?"
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Apr 21, 2019 22:55
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I know some antiquity historians were more reliable than others. Didn't the less reputable ones do in fact just that
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Apr 21, 2019 23:00
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Farecoal posted:I know some antiquity historians were more reliable than others. Didn't the less reputable ones do in fact just that Were the less reputable historians actually historians or were they just mythologizing the past? This isn't a problem unique to antiquity and is a legitimate issue with all study of history.
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Apr 21, 2019 23:08
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Um. You realize they're talking about historians from like 2000 years ago right? Not like the 1970s
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Apr 21, 2019 23:09
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Koramei posted:Is there an Imperator thread yet by the way? I would do it but I never even played the first one. but I feel like 4 days out from release it's probably about time where we'll start to need one as soon as someone gets around to writing an OP, yeah. i will probably just post a "This is the Imperator Rome thread" OP if nobody puts more effort into it before it comes out.
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Apr 21, 2019 23:09
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On the subject of ancient Rome a game map based around Ptolemy's rendition would be excellent. It's honestly amazing how good it is considering the original was from c. 100ce
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Apr 21, 2019 23:34
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I didn't realise Rome was so familiar with the Sahel.
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Apr 22, 2019 01:33
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Rynoto posted:On the subject of ancient Rome a game map based around Ptolemy's rendition would be excellent. I’m bendy Italy.
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Apr 22, 2019 01:38
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I feel like I'm the only strategy player not hyped for Imperator Not only does it cover the least interesting and most overdone period of roman history but its UI is a complete eyesore. I think I'd like it more if it covered the Christianization of the empire and the fall (complete with Huns and the Great Migration) as well as the current stuff but as is I'm just not terribly interested in the Punic wars or Caesar seizing power. Plus paradox's most recent releases (HoI4 and Stellaris) released in a pretty shoddy state and even now they are still trying to unfuck some of the more serious design flaws in them. Am I missing something here? If anyone wants to try to sell me on this then go ahead but I'm just not seeing the appeal here.
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You can just skip it if it doesn't appeal to you  Not every game appears to every gamer these aren't even platitudes the post reads like it's a duty to be excited if other people are excited or somehow there has to be some consensus reached when in reality tastes vary For me it's an EU4++ reskin with some army automation and a new map with new strategic considerations. Not making the same armies/decisions or going through the same tech tree while getting to play in a different time period. Ham Sandwiches fucked around with this message at 01:54 on Apr 22, 2019 |
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Apr 22, 2019 01:52
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AnEdgelord posted:I feel like I'm the only strategy player not hyped for Imperator Okay well it sounds like you probably should not play this game
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Apr 22, 2019 02:10
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I mean if you feel some bizarre monetary loyalty to Paradox you can buy it to support them but not every Paradox game is for everyone. I can't get anything out of Vicky or HoI.
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Apr 22, 2019 02:14
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Beefeater1980 posted:I’m bendy Italy. I'm the 90 degree angle at Tangiers.
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Apr 22, 2019 02:28
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Beefeater1980 posted:I’m bendy Italy. I'm Omega Sri Lanka
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Apr 22, 2019 03:14
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Arrhythmia posted:I'm Omega Sri Lanka I'm the deflated Horn of Africa
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To the far east you can see Texas, the Gulf of Mexico, and Tiny South America.
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