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Kith posted:Aquaman, king of the entire goddamn ocean.
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Luthor is right though. If he isn’t being written by Zack Snyder he’s also pretty socialist in a lot of ways. Hell, the original comic that served as the basis for Batman v Superman (which itself is a bunch of right wing Dirty Harry horseshit by- of course- Frank Miller) basically has Superman as the knee bending civil authoritarian foil to Batman’s randian ubermensch. Like the fight at the core of the story is about Superman basically coming to arrest Batman for being a vigilante psychopath who refuses to submit to public servants. I’m not reaching with the Rand stuff either, Miller has gone on record saying that all of his 80s Batman work is deeply inspired by her books.
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Apr 22, 2019 16:26
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Superman is a violent Republican What the gently caress? Superman's the kind of guy who demolishes luxury apartments to make way for public housing. 
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Apr 22, 2019 16:27
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Rent-A-Cop posted:
Umm excuse me The Flash is a police scientist! Clearly a smart person and also, totally, a real thing.
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Charlz Guybon posted:What the gently caress? Superman's the kind of guy who demolishes luxury apartments to make way for public housing.
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Apr 22, 2019 16:32
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Superman is a violent Republican alien with a savior complex, and better than half of the poo poo he stops from destroying the Earth is his own goddamn fault. How does it feel to be Frank Miller
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Apr 22, 2019 16:32
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OJ MIST 2 THE DICK posted:How does it feel to be Frank Miller Frank loves cops and would never refer to the Flash as a “dumb” one.
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Charlz Guybon posted:What the gently caress? Superman's the kind of guy who demolishes luxury apartments to make way for public housing. Yup. Superman is awesome and comparing Cyborg to Zuck of all people is probably the hugest reach especially because Cyborg actually has feelings. And also there's some uncomfortable race stuff with that comparison. It's like this person has only seen the Snyder shut and not the decades worth of actual good canon. Koalas March fucked around with this message at 16:36 on Apr 22, 2019 |
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Apr 22, 2019 16:33
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OJ MIST 2 THE DICK posted:How does it feel to be Frank Miller
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Taking something like a Easter egg hunt and immediately pivoting away from the kids to the business implications from a branding standpoint is the most genuine Trump thing.
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Gritty and badass and I'm wearing a ton of eyeliner but for some reason it only makes me cooler. Oh yeah? Well how do you feel about Muslims?
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Apr 22, 2019 16:35
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Luv 2 tell children about my support of the military industrial complex
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Apr 22, 2019 16:37
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Luthor is right though. This is always a problem in comics and it's kind of an uncanny valley thing. Superheroes are all fun and cool when they're strictly fantasy, but make them more realistic and you get all kinds of iffy implications. Thus they always have to give the villain a "kick the dog" moment to show you that they're actually evil, even though they accidentally make a bunch of valid points about the hero.
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Sir Lemming posted:This is always a problem in comics and it's kind of an uncanny valley thing. Superheroes are all fun and cool when they're strictly fantasy, but make them more realistic and you get all kinds of iffy implications. Unless they're like Joker where their whole point is to make the hero be a hero/fall to their side/die by their hand. Then its some violent sex fantasy.
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Koalas March posted:Yup. I think a lot of people are heavily influenced by notably insane person Frank Miller's take on Super Republican Superman in the Dark Knight Returns, which is meant to be a parody of Reagan, and then Frank's mind broke after 911 and he became the lunatic right winger he despised Edit: Frank Miller being a Rand libertarian and making his edgy Batman off of that doesn't surprise me at all now It also doesn't help that people find power mad Injustice Superman interesting TulliusCicero fucked around with this message at 16:44 on Apr 22, 2019 |
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Charlz Guybon posted:What the gently caress? Superman's the kind of guy who demolishes luxury apartments to make way for public housing. I feel like ripping up the housing they do have because it is substandard is moving back a step if his goal is adequate housing for the poor.
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Orange Devil posted:Your founders talked a big game about a lot of things, but their actions demonstrate them to have been full of poo poo constantly. About everything. The sooner you stamp out their wretched legacy the better it'll be for you. Yeah because Europe and the rest of the world are doing so much better, What's that again? Brexit?
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drilldo squirt posted:I feel like ripping up the housing they do have because it is substandard is moving back a step if his goal is adequate housing for the poor. si you're saying g Superman hates incrementalism
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Skex posted:Brexit?
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drilldo squirt posted:I feel like ripping up the housing they do have because it is substandard is moving back a step if his goal is adequate housing for the poor. Superman could build replacement housing in the blink of an eye, which is another one of those troublesome implications that comes up when you start thinking about the realistic ramifications of superheroes. They're wasting a ton of potential by investigating one crime at a time and punching individual villains when they could be enacting systemic change that no other non-government entity has the power to make.
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TulliusCicero posted:I think a lot of people are heavily influenced by notably insane person Frank Miller's take on Super Republican Superman in the Dark Knight Returns, which is meant to be a parody of Reagan, and then Frank's mind broke after 911 and he became the lunatic right winger he despised Homeslice was always super libertarian though, and we shouldn’t keep pretending there’s any appreciable difference.
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haveblue posted:Superman could build replacement housing in the blink of an eye, which is another one of those troublesome implications that comes up when you start thinking about the realistic ramifications of superheroes. That's basically the plot of Alan Moore and Gaiman's Miracleman.
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:His admirers are all pathetic, impotent babymen themselves. Trump is attractive to weak fragile men
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Apr 22, 2019 16:48
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haveblue posted:Superman could build replacement housing in the blink of an eye, which is another one of those troublesome implications that comes up when you start thinking about the realistic ramifications of superheroes. They're wasting a ton of potential by investigating one crime at a time and punching individual villains when they could be enacting systemic change that no other non-government entity has the power to make. If superman was a true hero he would spend the rest of eternity running on a giant hamster wheel that powers all of earth while solving complex problems with his super intellect. Also, he would share his robots and cure everything medical tech.
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Koalas March posted:Yup. this. Superman and batman and cyborg and wonder woman and the rest are cool. sure they have issues but alot of those problems were made worse of late by shitheads like miller and snyder who are both objectivist rear end in a top hat who don't really understand the characters because they fundamentally can't because their brains are rotted by objectivism. Dapper_Swindler fucked around with this message at 16:52 on Apr 22, 2019 |
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Electric Bugaloo posted:Homeslice was always super libertarian though, and we shouldn’t keep pretending there’s any appreciable difference. I actually think Frank Miller's work is needlessly violent grim-dark shlock that an edgy 14 year old could write, so yeah I agree
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Previa_fun posted:This amuses me because like, yeah, of course there is shipping and handling time. It's to sidestep the thorny theodicy problem of why God would send so many unbaptized babies to purgatory.
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TulliusCicero posted:I think a lot of people are heavily influenced by notably insane person Frank Miller's take on Super Republican Superman in the Dark Knight Returns, which is meant to be a parody of Reagan, and then Frank's mind broke after 911 and he became the lunatic right winger he despised Dark Knight Returns has a really conservative backbone already, 9/11 broke him further but he was always pretty out there. I know this because I first read it when I was a little Republican shithead and I was like "good, a comic that isn't so liberal with its opinions! Take that, people who think mental illness requires treatment, not that some people are just inherently bad people and some people are inherently good people"
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Dapper_Swindler posted:this. Superman and batman are cool. sure they have issues but alot of those problems were made worse of late by shitheads like miller and snyder who are both objectivist rear end in a top hat who don't really understand the characters because they fundamentally can't because their brains are rotted by objectivism. The DCAU actually did a lot of good work to make Superman and Batman fun and relatable people again, along with the entire justice league. ...and then they ruined it by DC deciding it had to be really edgy lately
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haveblue posted:Superman could build replacement housing in the blink of an eye, which is another one of those troublesome implications that comes up when you start thinking about the realistic ramifications of superheroes. They're wasting a ton of potential by investigating one crime at a time and punching individual villains when they could be enacting systemic change that no other non-government entity has the power to make. That's why Alan Moore made Watchmen
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TulliusCicero posted:The DCAU actually did a lot of good work to make Superman and Batman fun and relatable people again, along with the entire justice league. some of the new dCAU is ok. just ignore the killing joke which alot of people do already. my concept of batman and superman were from DCAU. i have heard the Doom patrol is good.
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Feldegast42 posted:That's why Alan Moore made Watchmen Watchmen is more Batman, Miracleman is really his Superman or at least his Shazam comic. Better than Watchmen in a lot of ways, too, just harder to find for a long time due to rights issues. There's also Alan Moore's run on Supreme which was amazing but got very, very, very, very meta, and is more about exploring Superman as a narrative than exploring the societal or emotional consequences of a Superman existing.
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TulliusCicero posted:Luv 2 tell children about my support of the military industrial complex better than telling them how much fun it is to have sex on a boat
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The only ethical superhero is Matter-Eater Lad, a true goon hero  Edit: And let's not forget his friend, Calorie Queen The Glumslinger fucked around with this message at 17:01 on Apr 22, 2019 |
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drilldo squirt posted:If superman was a true hero he would spend the rest of eternity running on a giant hamster wheel that powers all of earth https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/2011-07-13
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Charlz Guybon posted:What the gently caress? Superman's the kind of guy who demolishes luxury apartments to make way for public housing. Now he's a tool of the status quo.
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I dunno, I'm just amused hanging around my brother's family and seeing his kids *really* love the poo poo out of Teen Titans Go, enough so it moved them into getting into the Marvel movies in spite of having no real clue what was happening there. Meanwhile of course, the adults are all "That's what you're watching? Allow me to write a 300 page blogpiece on how this show ruined my childhood"
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luxury handset posted:better than telling them how much fun it is to have sex on a boat Looking forward to this coming up in election commercials with a 'haven't we suffered enough embarrassment?' tagline. Edit: the answer is no
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Dapper_Swindler posted:some of the new dCAU is ok. just ignore the killing joke which alot of people do already. my concept of batman and superman were from DCAU. i have heard the Doom patrol is good. I have mixed feelings on the original Killing Joke honestly, because I get what Alan Moore was trying to do, and I actually think Barbara becoming Oracle and becoming even more intelligent than Batman, and kicking rear end despite being in a wheel chair owns. On the other hand, a lot of it goes over some lines in terms of taste. The new one is dumb because one of the writers inserts his Barbara-Bruce fetish, which is REAALLLY gross
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qkkl posted:No taxation without representation. Given the cultural weight of this message, money being speech now and corporations not paying taxes, I feel like "No representation without taxation" would make a hell of slogan for a left wing candidate.
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