AIRPOWER/Cold War - Its literally the first two lines of their hymn

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EvilMerlin: Apr 10, 2018; Meh.

Give it a try...

Cyrano4747 posted:

Oh also the Gorch Fock isn�t technically a Nazi ship. She was built off the plans and I think some parts after the war to replace all the sister ships taken by various victorious powers. 1950s some time.

Now if you want a REALLY hosed ship you need to look at the original Gorch Fock. She was scuttled at the end of WW2 then raised by the Soviets and rechristened Tovarisch. After the fall of the USSR she reflagged as Ukrainian and was retired in 1993 because she was broken down and no one wanted to pay for repairs. There was a failed private attempt to restore her in England which folded because of the cost. She later was transferred to a German port for continued restoration and IIRC is a half-failing museum project. She was also re-re-christened Gorch Fock. This means there is a museum ship Gorch Fock (Ex-Tovarisch, ex-Gorch Fock) and a current service one with the same name but absent the delightfully insane rechristening history.

My head hurts from just trying to follow...

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Quinntan: Sep 11, 2013

The best part of HMS President and her successors is that they were usually used to patrol along the US eastern seaboard, as an additional gently caress you to the colonials.

# ? Apr 22, 2019 18:33

BIG HEADLINE: Jun 13, 2006; "Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

Cyrano4747 posted:

If Eagle hadn�t been named after loving Horst Wessel if have preferred we kept the original for that reason. gently caress you we kicked your Nazi asses and now own your sailing ship.

The Coast Guard gets a bum rap in contemporary times for being a :airquote:

non-combatant :airquote:

force, but they were crucial for coastal U-Boat interdiction in WW2: https://uboat.net/allies/ships/uscg.htm

# ? Apr 22, 2019 18:40

Cyrano4747: Sep 25, 2006; Yes, I know I'm old, get off my fucking lawn so I can yell at these clouds.

BIG HEADLINE posted:

The Coast Guard gets a bum rap in contemporary times for being a non-combatant force, but they were crucial for coastal U-Boat interdiction in WW2: https://uboat.net/allies/ships/uscg.htm

gently caress man my Grandfather was USCG and I almost didn�t happen because a Kamakazie cam very close to punching his ticket.

USCG did some poo poo in WW2. They also did poo poo around Vietnam during that too.

# ? Apr 22, 2019 19:09

darthbob88: Oct 13, 2011; YOSPOS

Cyrano4747 posted:

gently caress man my Grandfather was USCG and I almost didn�t happen because a Kamakazie cam very close to punching his ticket.

USCG did some poo poo in WW2. They also did poo poo around Vietnam during that too.

A Coastie got a posthumous Medal of Honor for fighting at Guadalcanal. They're absolutely military.

# ? Apr 22, 2019 19:16

bewbies: Sep 23, 2003; Fun Shoe

didnt the merchant marine suffer the highest KIA rate or casualty rate in WWII?

airborne my rear end

# ? Apr 22, 2019 19:17

Lobster God: Nov 5, 2008

Quinntan posted:

The best part of HMS President and her successors is that they were usually used to patrol along the US eastern seaboard, as an additional gently caress you to the colonials.

The actual best part was building the second HMS President to the lines of her predecessor for no reason other than to remind the Americans the RN captured the first one.

# ? Apr 22, 2019 19:19

ought ten: Feb 6, 2004

Cyrano4747 posted:

Before clicking I was thinking �it�s one of those old Nazi sailing ships isn�t it?�

Yup.

The answer is you�re replacing a bunch of parts in a ship made in the 30s for which there aren�t any spares. Lots of custom fabbing and lots of poo poo where one repair reveals a lot more. The USCG Eagle (ex-Horst Wessel, only ship in the US military where Hitler was present at her commissioning!) and Portuguese Navy Sagres (ex-Albert Leo Schlageter) have had similar issues. The engines have been a main source of issues. Eagle finally had the engine replaced with a modern diesel and then gave the old one to Portugal to use as spares for Sagres.

A credible former Eagle XO tells me she definitely still has a swastika, I think in the captains quarters. There�s an eagle or something covering it up. There�s also a public story that a reichsadler still visible on the ship used to have a swastika in its talons, so maybe the former is a confused version of the latter.

# ? Apr 22, 2019 19:26

aphid_licker: Jan 7, 2009

Another part of the problem with the dumb sailing ship repair bill is what according to coverage in the German press is an absolutely hilarious level of graft.

# ? Apr 22, 2019 19:28

EvilMerlin: Apr 10, 2018; Meh.

Give it a try...

Lobster God posted:

The actual best part was building the second HMS President to the lines of her predecessor for no reason other than to remind the Americans the RN captured the first one.

Not just the Americans but anyone else with a navy... It was more or less a shot against the French more so than the Americans.

# ? Apr 22, 2019 19:30

EvilMerlin: Apr 10, 2018; Meh.

Give it a try...

bewbies posted:

didnt the merchant marine suffer the highest KIA rate or casualty rate in WWII?

airborne my rear end

Yep.

My grandfather (dad's dad) was a Merchant Marine for all of WWII. Before it and after it. Liberty ships. Had a few sunk from under him.

http://www.usmm.org/casualty.html

# ? Apr 22, 2019 19:34

Cyrano4747: Sep 25, 2006; Yes, I know I'm old, get off my fucking lawn so I can yell at these clouds.

Personally I think we should name our next CNV Serapis

# ? Apr 22, 2019 19:47

Crab Dad: Dec 28, 2002; behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB

Cyrano4747 posted:

Personally I think we should name our next CNV Serapis

For gods sake go back to anything but random politicians. How are you suppose to get jazzed about serving on the Stennis or Vincent. loving bullshit.

# ? Apr 22, 2019 19:48

Tythas: Oct 3, 2013; Never felt at home in reality
Always hiding behind avatars

CVN Verizon Wireless

# ? Apr 22, 2019 20:09

Shooting Blanks: Jun 6, 2007; Real bullets mess up how cool this thing looks.

-Blade

LingcodKilla posted:

For gods sake go back to anything but random politicians. How are you suppose to get jazzed about serving on the Stennis or Vincent. loving bullshit.

USS William Henry Harrison

Tythas posted:

CVN Verizon Wireless

Don't even suggest this. As long as the Navy is stretching out ships these days...

# ? Apr 22, 2019 20:24

Nebakenezzer: Sep 13, 2005; The Mote in God's Eye

USS Tyrannicide

# ? Apr 22, 2019 20:26

BIG HEADLINE: Jun 13, 2006; "Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

LingcodKilla posted:

For gods sake go back to anything but random politicians. How are you suppose to get jazzed about serving on the Stennis or Vincent. loving bullshit.

The USS Leroy Grumman has a nice ring to it for a carrier.

# ? Apr 22, 2019 20:27

MrYenko: Jun 18, 2012; #2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

Just start with the hits.

Enterprise, Saratoga, Lexington, Hornet, Yorktown, etc.

We used to know how to do it. The fact that Admiral Sprague only got a frigate named after him and not a carrier is a loving tragedy.

# ? Apr 22, 2019 20:48

Rent-A-Cop: Oct 15, 2004; I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

MrYenko posted:

Just start with the hits.

Enterprise, Saratoga, Lexington, Hornet, Yorktown, etc.

Then skip right over British names and go straight to 40k names.

I would join up to serve on the USS Deathmonger.

# ? Apr 22, 2019 20:54

Tythas: Oct 3, 2013; Never felt at home in reality
Always hiding behind avatars

Let's go mythical USS Dragonslayer, USS Thor, USS Aphrodite, USS Ogre, USS Paladin, USS Elf.

# ? Apr 22, 2019 21:09

Murgos: Oct 21, 2010

bewbies posted:

didnt the merchant marine suffer the highest KIA rate or casualty rate in WWII?

airborne my rear end

Lower percentage than serving in a u-boat... which is kind of ironic I guess? I recall reading that merchant marine service in the Atlantic had a casualty rate equivalent to that for an infantry unit in combat.

# ? Apr 22, 2019 21:22

Mortabis: Jul 8, 2010; I am stupid

How about states, cities, and bodies of water? No people.

# ? Apr 22, 2019 21:24

Shooting Blanks: Jun 6, 2007; Real bullets mess up how cool this thing looks.

-Blade

Mortabis posted:

How about states, cities, and bodies of water? No people.

We already do/did states. Cities would be entertaining just to see Congresspeople jockeying for getting their state capitol and/or largest city or cities nominated.

# ? Apr 22, 2019 21:28

AlexanderCA: Jul 21, 2010; by Cyrano4747

Mortabis posted:

How about states, cities, and bodies of water? No, people.

# ? Apr 22, 2019 21:29

Rent-A-Cop: Oct 15, 2004; I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

Only do trash cities though.

USS Bakersfield

# ? Apr 22, 2019 21:30

hobbesmaster: Jan 28, 2008

Mortabis posted:

How about states, cities, and bodies of water? No people.

USS City of Corpus Christi will never not be funny to me. Just go back to naming submarines after fish imo.

# ? Apr 22, 2019 21:30

Flikken: Oct 23, 2009; 10,363 snaps and not a playoff win to show for it

Shooting Blanks posted:

We already do/did states. Cities would be entertaining just to see Congresspeople jockeying for getting their state capitol and/or largest city or cities nominated.

Cities were Attack Subs for a bit, but the Seawolf and Virginias stopped that. States were Boomers, but now also Virginias. Though they will have to switch up the Virginias at some point because they want 66 of them.

# ? Apr 22, 2019 21:32

BIG HEADLINE: Jun 13, 2006; "Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

hobbesmaster posted:

Just go back to naming submarines after fish imo.

Yeah, that'd be a great way to honor things about to go extinct. :negative:

# ? Apr 22, 2019 21:33

Mortabis: Jul 8, 2010; I am stupid

For a while I was peeved at the impropriety of states being mere subs instead of carriers (once upon a time they were battleships), but then I realized the subs are probably more useful and important than the carriers anyway so whatever.

hobbesmaster posted:

USS City of Corpus Christi will never not be funny to me. Just go back to naming submarines after fish imo.

That works too.

There are people who deserve to have ships named after them but I don't think it's possible to have ships named after people without getting people who don't deserve it on the list.

# ? Apr 22, 2019 21:34

Flikken: Oct 23, 2009; 10,363 snaps and not a playoff win to show for it

Mortabis posted:

For a while I was peeved at the impropriety of states being mere subs instead of carriers (once upon a time they were battleships), but then I realized the subs are probably more useful and important than the carriers anyway so whatever.

That works too.

There are people who deserve to have ships named after them but I don't think it's possible to have ships named after people without getting people who don't deserve it on the list.

Realtalk, we need an active Lexington, Saratoga, Enterprise, Hornet and Yorktown at all times. Especially Enterprise. States as Boomers makes sense though, there will never be a lot of them and they have the power to end entire countries, states as fast attack is...eh.

# ? Apr 22, 2019 21:39

That Works: Jul 22, 2006; Every revolution evaporates and leaves behind only the slime of a new bureaucracy

BIG HEADLINE posted:

Yeah, that'd be a great way to honor things about to go extinct.

Better to do it with large surface ships then

# ? Apr 22, 2019 21:41

Syrian Lannister: Aug 25, 2007; Oh, did I kill him too?
I've been a very busy little man.; Sugartime Jones

We're going to have a carrier named after Trump, aren't we.....

# ? Apr 22, 2019 22:26

StandardVC10: Feb 6, 2007; This avatar now 50% more dark mode compliant

Rent-A-Cop posted:

Only do trash cities though.

USS Bakersfield

Hell you could do an entire class without leaving the Central Valley.

USS Fresno, USS Stockton, USS Corcoran...

# ? Apr 22, 2019 22:30

Flikken: Oct 23, 2009; 10,363 snaps and not a playoff win to show for it

Syrian Lannister posted:

We're going to have a carrier named after Trump, aren't we.....

We better get a USS Bill Clinton or USS Barack Obama first.

Just think of the ship nicknames

"The slick willy!"

# ? Apr 22, 2019 22:50

Tythas: Oct 3, 2013; Never felt at home in reality
Always hiding behind avatars

USS Bloods and USS Crips

# ? Apr 22, 2019 22:51

Doctor Grape Ape: Aug 26, 2005; Dammit Doc, I just bought this for you 3 months ago. Try and keep it around for a bit longer this time.

Flikken posted:

We better get a USS Bill Clinton or USS Barack Obama first.

Just think of the ship nicknames

"The slick willy!"

SSBN Bill Clinton, you know, cuz of the shape, and how it slips in undetected before unleashing its huge payload.

# ? Apr 22, 2019 22:56

Flikken: Oct 23, 2009; 10,363 snaps and not a playoff win to show for it

Doctor Grape Ape posted:

SSBN Bill Clinton, you know, cuz of the shape, and how it slips in undetected before unleashing its huge payload.

I was more thinking that because subs are cigar shaped...

# ? Apr 22, 2019 23:29

aphid_licker: Jan 7, 2009

It is now 1915 in drone years https://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/russia-s-shotgun-wielding-drone-is-the-flying-nightmare-1833617897

# ? Apr 22, 2019 23:55

LostCosmonaut: Feb 15, 2014

Flikken posted:

Cities were Attack Subs for a bit, but the Seawolf and Virginias stopped that. States were Boomers, but now also Virginias. Though they will have to switch up the Virginias at some point because they want 66 of them.

They're already naming some Virginias after people (SSN-795 Rickover), presumably some more people will get boats named after them.

# ? Apr 22, 2019 23:59

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EvilMerlin: Apr 10, 2018; Meh.

Give it a try...

StandardVC10 posted:

Hell you could do an entire class without leaving the Central Valley.

USS Fresno, USS Stockton, USS Corcoran...

There already were.

USS Fresno was a tanker
USS Stockton was a WW2 destroyer

No USS Corcoran yet...

# ? Apr 23, 2019 00:00

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