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Who do you want to be the 2020 Democratic Nominee?
This poll is closed.
Joe "the liberal who fights busing" Biden 27 1.40%
Bernie "please don't die" Sanders 1017 52.69%
Cory "charter schools" Booker 12 0.62%
Kirsten "wall street" Gillibrand 24 1.24%
Kamala "truancy queen" Harris 59 3.06%
Julian "who?" Castro 7 0.36%
Tulsi "gay panic" Gabbard 25 1.30%
Michael "crimes crimes crimes" Avenatti 22 1.14%
Sherrod "discount bernie" Brown 21 1.09%
Amy "horrible boss" Klobuchar 12 0.62%
Tammy "stands for america" Duckworth 48 2.49%
Beto "whataburger" O'Rourke 32 1.66%
Elizabeth "instagram beer" Warren 284 14.72%
Tom "impeach please" Steyer 4 0.21%
Michael "soda is the devil" Bloomberg 9 0.47%
Joseph Stalin 287 14.87%
Howard "coffee republican" Schultz 10 0.52%
Jay "nobody cares about climate change :(" Inslee 13 0.67%
Pete "gently caress the homeless" Butt Man 17 0.88%
Total: 1930 votes
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AsInHowe
Jan 11, 2007

red winged angel

Condiv posted:

of course anti-bussing champion gropey joe wants to hold his announcement rally in charlottesville

He's gonna bring fine people together, from both sides!

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Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

Biden’s gonna ride onto the stage in a Dodge Challenger.

AsInHowe
Jan 11, 2007

red winged angel

Nonsense posted:

Biden’s gonna ride onto the stage in a Dodge Challenger.

and on the way there, just nail some woman standing in the street

Gyges
Aug 4, 2004

NOW NO ONE
RECOGNIZE HULK
Man, why wouldn't you announce your campaign in front of the Rocky Statue? Everyone loves Rocky, and there's no loving way that Biden has a take on Charlottesville that anyone at all is waiting to hear.

joepinetree
Apr 5, 2012

Craptacular! posted:

But the reason, at least what I thought was the reason, that the brand is used as a touchstone to identify these people is because Panera uses free-range eggs and other measures that are essentially a marketing message aimed at liberal guilt, while still being a multinational conglomerate focused on making lots of money. People who see capitalism itself as the problem find this laughable because people who buy at Panera are effectively trying to fix the effects of consumption capitalism with more acts of capitalism, and if they were really smart they'd just eat where they want regardless of the company's record because All Companies Are Bad and so acts of consumption capitalism are just a necessary evil and trying to fix their evil by spending more on your goods rather than trying to reign them in with regulation is wasting your time and your money.

Now don't get me wrong, I count myself as the latter enlightened socialist big-brains. I just find inconsistent to think a CFA boycott over their CEO's theocratic bullshit is laudable and at the same time liberals paying more for greenified capitalism is laughable. Let's just eat lunch and then take on both companies from the top.

eidt:


Well this does a lot to address the cognitive dissonance.


I realize that Pete is NOT saying this and that's been a problem, but don't accept this sort of framing, as "vote with your wallet" becomes rule by wealthy really fast.

Panera Bread as a designator of a demographic has nothing to do with free range eggs or healthy anything (especially since Panera only moved to a lot of those recently). While I am sure it was used at one time or another, it became a popular phrase during the Ossof race when he was competing in the GA 6th, which is the wealthy, northern suburbs of Atlanta. No reference to any food or etc. It was democratic strategists saying that they had to run candidates that appealed to white suburbanites.

John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

A real hellraiser


AsInHowe posted:

and on the way there, just nail some woman standing in the street

And also hit someone with his car

Eggplant Squire
Aug 14, 2003


Biden is just trying to be like Reagan.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


https://twitter.com/KrangTNelson/status/1120432159255400448

rko
Jul 12, 2017

Ytlaya posted:

If Democrats react more negatively to her than Sanders...that would be really weird.
Warren is a woman and Democrats are such spineless sexists that Gillibrand, a more honest grifter than anyone else in the centrist lane, can barely get percentage points in polls for the high crime of calling for Al Franken to resign. And given that most of those of us on the left remain in Sanders’ camp for all the good reasons that have been explored in the thread, Warren is left with a relatively thin slice of the electorate.

I’m pretty sure it really is that simple. In a just and rational world, the Dems would move to support her as the only possible way for the establishment to survive the next decade. Instead it’s Ride Or Die With Diamond Joe and his sidekick Mayor Pete, god fuckin help us.

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
Probation
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mcmagic posted:

They have been great. Especially both the wealth tax and student loan forgiveness. Those policies are new to the mainstream political zeitgeist and are lapping the field.

The wealth tax is fine (although AOC floated the same), but student loan forgiveness is more means-tested nonsense.

Captain_Maclaine
Sep 30, 2001

Every moment that I'm alive, I pray for death!

Radish posted:

Biden is just trying to be like Reagan.

So when can we expect to see him deliver a speech in front of SS graves?

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

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Judakel posted:

The wealth tax is fine (although AOC floated the same), but student loan forgiveness is more means-tested nonsense.

AOC didn't float a wealth tax.

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
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mcmagic posted:

AOC didn't float a wealth tax.

Sorta: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...2oKv0G3hTCZTmt0

Mellow Seas
Oct 9, 2012
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Gillibrand would do fine despite the Franken thing if she wasn’t wholly without conviction and hot trash as a candidate.

She’s a New York Senator with an inner Manchin just itching to get that national audience.

Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007


An income tax is not a wealth tax

So desperate to not let Warren get credit for anything, good lord

Typo
Aug 19, 2009

Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes

Mellow Seas posted:

Gillibrand would do fine despite the Franken thing if she wasn’t wholly without conviction and hot trash as a candidate.

She’s a New York Senator with an inner Manchin just itching to get that national audience.

gills is doing badly because the field is too crowded and she doesn't really stand out

Eggplant Squire
Aug 14, 2003


Captain_Maclaine posted:

So when can we expect to see him deliver a speech in front of SS graves?

Look sometimes you have to reach across the aisle and no one does that better than Ol' Joe.

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
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Badger of Basra posted:

An income tax is not a wealth tax

So desperate to not let Warren get credit for anything, good lord

You're right. She sucks so much that we're brushing aside the innovative policy of a wealth tax that would simply be avoided given how it is structured. Taxes on trading would be far more effective.

Captain_Maclaine
Sep 30, 2001

Every moment that I'm alive, I pray for death!

Radish posted:

Look sometimes you have to reach across the aisle and no one does that better than Ol' Joe.

*spontaneously launches into anecdote about cordial relations had with Steve King*

The Muppets On PCP
Nov 13, 2016

by Fluffdaddy
gonna be interesting when biden starts regaling the audience with stories from his youth about local delaware gang leader corn pop, fully committing to the character with a can of kiwi black polish and speaking in jive

Willa Rogers
Mar 11, 2005

mcmagic posted:

I agree. I don't get why people are getting so worked up about this. If rich people want to have extra insurance on top of a rebust MfA, who cares?

I'd be ok with everyone paying taxes into a M4A system, then choosing to squander their money on private insurance.

But without a tax-based system, M4A will be kneecapped by private insurers and the pols beholden to them.

Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007

Judakel posted:

You're right. She sucks so much that we're brushing aside the innovative policy of a wealth tax that would simply be avoided given how it is structured. Taxes on trading would be far more effective.

I guess I found someone in that weird 13%

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
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Badger of Basra posted:

I guess I found someone in that weird 13%

You can tell the proposals are coming from a place of desperation because the tax on trading isn't a particularly odd idea for someone who is essentially a financial watchdog. Fine, AOC's proposal isn't technically a wealth tax, but without controls preventing people from just taking their wealth and going - what exactly are you doing the wealth tax for? I forgot, they're really detailed.

Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007

"This thing is hard so we just shouldn't do it" is a hell of a take from a Bernie voter

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
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Badger of Basra posted:

"This thing is hard so we just shouldn't do it" is a hell of a take from a Bernie voter

That's not the take.

Youth Decay
Aug 18, 2015


I told you guys, he is really bad at running for President. Like the opposite of Campaign Obama.

The Muppets On PCP
Nov 13, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

Youth Decay posted:

I told you guys, he is really bad at running for President. Like the opposite of Campaign Obama.

https://twitter.com/IsaacDovere/status/1120462681457287169

WampaLord
Jan 14, 2010

Hey, those CNN town halls are starting right now, Klobuchar is on first, then Warren, then Sanders:

https://go.cnn.com/?stream=cnn%3Fsr

Also, rumors abound in Bidenland:

https://twitter.com/IsaacDovere/status/1120462681457287169

DC Murderverse
Nov 10, 2016

"Tell that to Zod's snapped neck!"

WampaLord posted:

Hey, those CNN town halls are starting right now, Klobuchar is on first, then Warren, then Sanders:

https://go.cnn.com/?stream=cnn%3Fsr

amy klobuchar is currently drowning

i cannot believe anyone wants this woman to be president, let alone more people than who want Kirsten Gillibrand

ded redd
Aug 1, 2010

by Fluffdaddy

DC Murderverse posted:

amy klobuchar is currently drowning

i cannot believe anyone wants this woman to be president, let alone more people than who want Kirsten Gillibrand

Appealing to petty office tyrants is still more people than absolutely no one.

WampaLord
Jan 14, 2010

DC Murderverse posted:

amy klobuchar is currently drowning

i cannot believe anyone wants this woman to be president, let alone more people than who want Kirsten Gillibrand

"You know that movie, Hidden Figures? I love that movie. Women shouldn't be Hidden Figures anymore"

DC Murderverse
Nov 10, 2016

"Tell that to Zod's snapped neck!"

she spent like 3 minutes fluffing up "your generation" to a 21 year old who asked about college debt (talking about how we can't afford diamond rings because of student debt and how this generation gets blamed for "killing" industries unfairly) before dropping the "we just can't fund debt forgiveness because we can't find the money" on literally the day that Sen. Warren dropped a policy paper explaining exactly how we can.

She's also not a very good speaker generally.

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

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I think Klobuchar might be in the most uninspired presidential candidate of my lifetime.

Typo
Aug 19, 2009

Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes
....................................................................................she just said please clap

WampaLord
Jan 14, 2010

Typo posted:

....................................................................................she just said please clap

"That's when you guys are supposed to cheer"

Amy!

Gatts
Jan 2, 2001

Goodnight Moon

Nap Ghost
Wow. She had to get people to clap.

Is it going to be Cuomo for each Candidate or is it going to change? Same audience or different?

Typo
Aug 19, 2009

Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes
oh marx I remember now why nobody knows her outside of minnesota now

DC Murderverse
Nov 10, 2016

"Tell that to Zod's snapped neck!"

Gatts posted:

Wow. She had to get people to clap.

Is it going to be Cuomo for each Candidate or is it going to change? Same audience or different?

Cuomo for Klobuchar and Bernie, Cooper for Warren and Pete Butt and Don Lemon for Kamala.

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

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Great question harvard kid.

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papa horny michael
Aug 18, 2009

by Pragmatica
Ah hah using her agriculture committee credentials as bragging rights to college students.

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