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MadScientistWorking posted:He literally called Mike Pondsmith a nobody and caused the direct harassment of two women by irrationally lashing out. To argue that he doesn't know what he is doing is kind of scary. I agree, total piece of poo poo.
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Darwinism posted:As the person who attempted to F&F that horrible stupid book, it sure as poo poo feels 200 pages long when you're reading the same misogynistic jokes over and over in this really grating Barry-esque style that tries way too drat hard, how the gently caress does this man have a career as a writer I actually hopped to my local flgs and its very poe's law. I cannot tell if he is joking or not. On a funny aside, the store owner saw me reading it, seemed completely shocked it was still there, that he remembers stocking it in 2002 and forgot it existed. He tried to sell it to me for 50 cents but I told him no thanks. He threw it in a recycling bin, lol. Halloween Jack posted:I never thought I'd be accused of having too kind an opinion of Mike Mearls. Do you have a source on him calling Mikey P a nobody? I love that man and his baritone voice and I can't find anything.
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TheDiceMustRoll posted:I actually hopped to my local flgs and its very poe's law. I cannot tell if he is joking or not. On a funny aside, the store owner saw me reading it, seemed completely shocked it was still there, that he remembers stocking it in 2002 and forgot it existed. He tried to sell it to me for 50 cents but I told him no thanks. He threw it in a recycling bin, lol. https://twitter.com/Delafina777/status/730824920536518656?s=19
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Halloween Jack posted:I never thought I'd be accused of having too kind an opinion of Mike Mearls.
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No, I mean I've been lazy and I need to up my Mearls-hating game; he sucks and he deserves it.
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Halloween Jack posted:No, I mean I've been lazy and I need to up my Mearls-hating game; he sucks and he deserves it. Yeah, we need to keep track of the receipts when he invariably surfaces with something like "Hey, I'm guest-GMing on Critical Role!" or similar.
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I got blocked on twitter by Mearls for making fun of him for not knowing who Pondsmith is.
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Darwinism posted:As the person who attempted to F&F that horrible stupid book, it sure as poo poo feels 200 pages long when you're reading the same misogynistic jokes over and over in this really grating Barry-esque style that tries way too drat hard, how the gently caress does this man have a career as a writer Because people sadly like that poo poo, and because he didn't start out that way. It's a bit sad because there is one good thing he does, which is a little art scholarship thing, but that doesn't offset the mountain of poo poo.
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https://twitter.com/dms_guild/status/1120414776994213889 didn't ConTessa themselves have a misstep earlier this year?
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Mors Rattus posted:They have a history of supporting Zak and got mad when people brought that up. Well, poo poo. So I'm going to begin by saying that I 100% believe you. Do you possibly know where I can find this, because it's absolutely news to me, and probably some friends of mine (I'm going to cancel my Patreon support for them if they're being trash.)
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Apr 22, 2019 21:39
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actually3raccoons posted:Well, poo poo. I heard about it via Twitter, but it was back when the abuse allegations first came out, so I don't have the links handy now.
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Apr 22, 2019 21:40
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I've noticed abusers are starting to do that: have a history of making a big public show of how Woke and supportive of marignalized demographics they are, because it buys them a lot of cover and benefit of the doubt if stories and accusations start to leak out.
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FMguru posted:I've noticed abusers are starting to do that: have a history of making a big public show of how Woke and supportive of marignalized demographics they are, because it buys them a lot of cover and benefit of the doubt if stories and accusations start to leak out. To quote Skerples's fairly good posts on this: quote:Abuse is not something anyone spots right away. It's often not like it is on TV sitcoms, with the black eyes and broken furniture and waving guns around. If it was, I'd hope Zak's friends, many of whom seem to be decent people, would have stepped in.
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TheDiceMustRoll posted:To quote Skerples's fairly good posts on this: Skerples is being much to generous because, ironically enough, members of his community supporting Zak because they are afraid of not being good people means Skerples isn’t part of and friends with members of a community of irredeemably terrible people, which is of course the actual main reason they supported Zak. He considers himself a good person but didn’t notice, didn’t help or didn’t do anything.
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actually3raccoons posted:Well, poo poo. After the latest thing with Zak, they caught some flack in the generalized "this is what we've been telling all of you for literal years" from, uh, a bunch of people. The ?co-founder? responded to this on Twitter with some "this is not the time for 'I told you so's, you're just trying to grab some limelight from Mandy, and this is very stressful for me." Which, you know, I'm sympathetic. But regardless whatever they say about Zak just being in a few of their games years ago, they didn't say "boo" about him using them as one of his shields for a long time. I'm glad she could be there for Mandy and I hope she did her some good, but she and by extension ConTessa's status as "safe" is debatable.
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Apr 22, 2019 22:06
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"Abuse is not something anyone spots right away" only holds ground if you haven't had eight loving years of people pointing out the abuse, shithead.
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jakodee posted:Skerples is being much to generous because, ironically enough, members of his community supporting Zak because they are afraid of not being good people means Skerples isn’t part of and friends with members of a community of irredeemably terrible people, which is of course the actual main reason they supported Zak. He considers himself a good person but didn’t notice, didn’t help or didn’t do anything. I don't really know what to say but I don't really know what you guys wanted from past skerples. They stopped speaking to each other in 2017 and that was more or less it. He publicly called him out as a Major Problem In The OSR on a G+ thread that same year. Like he flat out stated "You are the problem." What else could he have done?
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TheDiceMustRoll posted:I don't really know what to say but I don't really know what you guys wanted from past skerples. They stopped speaking to each other in 2017 and that was more or less it. He publicly called him out as a Major Problem In The OSR on a G+ thread that same year. Like he flat out stated "You are the problem." What else could he have done? Refused to work with or promote anyone who hadn’t denounced Zak? Actually publicly denounced Zak for admitting to having assaulted people instead of vaguely saying “this man is a problem” a few times? Not writing a half-apology portraying himself as a victim and trying exonerating himself and all of his lovely friends for their support of Zak? It’s really not hard to come up with like a dozen things either passively or actively did to support Zak. jakodee fucked around with this message at 22:31 on Apr 22, 2019 |
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jakodee posted:Refused to work with or promote anyone who hadn’t denounced Zak? Actually publicly denounced Zak for admitting to having assaulted people instead of vaguely saying “this man is a problem” a few times? Not writing a half-apology portraying himself as a victim and trying exonerating himself and all of his lovely friends for their support of Zak? It’s really not hard to come up with like a dozen things either passively or actively did to support Zak. I guess I don't really have an answer for you.
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On the one hand yeah, one of the founders of Contessa went to bat for Zak for years. (Including the assertion that angry nerds were out to get him because he was a cool sex-haver.) On the other hand, I think the idea of a convention run entirely by non-men, meant to showcase what non-men bring to the hobby, is a neat idea -- and the idea of it being sunk because of its association with a man doesn't sit very well with me. I dunno. I don't have a cogent position.
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potatocubed posted:On the one hand yeah, one of the founders of Contessa went to bat for Zak for years. (Including the assertion that angry nerds were out to get him because he was a cool sex-haver.) EDIT: Yeah Raggi is still on Contessa's site so its not like the organization doesn't have massive problems. MadScientistWorking fucked around with this message at 22:54 on Apr 22, 2019 |
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potatocubed posted:On the one hand yeah, one of the founders of Contessa went to bat for Zak for years. (Including the assertion that angry nerds were out to get him because he was a cool sex-haver.) I'm not sure "but what if the convention suffers" is a great reason not to hold a supposedly women-friendly convention to task for their association with sex pests, like if ConTessa as a whole is willing to go down in flames instead of just... doing some basic good-faith poo poo, maybe we should break out the torches and help out
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Darwinism posted:I'm not sure "but what if the convention suffers" is a great reason not to hold a supposedly women-friendly convention to task for their association with sex pests, like if ConTessa as a whole is willing to go down in flames instead of just... doing some basic good-faith poo poo, maybe we should break out the torches and help out Speaking of companies that allegedly only signal and represent a wholesome and inclusive image in order to be more effective sexual abusers, has Green Ronin come out with a timeline yet, perhaps even one that defends them from the accusation that they were providing a known sex pest C A Suleiman an exclusive rolodex of new vulnerable female writers?
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Gerund posted:Speaking of companies that allegedly only signal and represent a wholesome and inclusive image in order to be more effective sexual abusers, has Green Ronin come out with a timeline yet, perhaps even one that defends them from the accusation that they were providing a known sex pest C A Suleiman an exclusive rolodex of new vulnerable female writers? You know the answer in your heart.
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TheDiceMustRoll posted:I don't really know what to say but I don't really know what you guys wanted from past skerples. They stopped speaking to each other in 2017 and that was more or less it. He publicly called him out as a Major Problem In The OSR on a G+ thread that same year. Like he flat out stated "You are the problem." What else could he have done? It's like loving clockwork. Elector_Nerdlingen posted:They don't even have to rationalise it away. As for the usual "but what else could he have done?" thing, here you go: There's a real simple formula to apologising properly for doing something badly wrong. Most people are reasonably forgiving unless you're an rear end in a top hat about it. 0) Admit to yourself that yeah, you hosed up. This includes admitting to the fuckup in your thinking that led you to believe that the fuckup was a good idea. You were not misunderstood. You were not taken out of context. You didn't make a harmless mistake. You didn't have a brilliant idea that people just weren't ready for. You hosed up, and that hosed other people up, and you should feel bad about it, and you do feel bad about it. If you get this part right you can stop reading right now because unless you're a beep boop robot you know what to do next. In case you are a beep boop robot or perhaps an improperly socialised manchild, do the following: 1) Publicly admit you hosed up and literally say you're sorry for doing it. Do not under any circumstances use weasel word bullshit here. If your fuckup was supporting some other fuckup, you don't get to blame them, you're not apologising for them or pointing out that they're a fuckup except in terms of you being sorry you hosed up by supporting them. Definitely don't just start saying how bad they are without acknowledging your own fuckup. Definitely don't say something like "I'm sorry that people got upset" or "If I offended you then I apologise" or "If I hurt someone I'm sorry". You wouldn't need to make a real apology if you only might have hosed up and even then only if people were upset by it, so gently caress you. Own your fuckup and say you're sorry. It's rare for someone to just say "I hosed up <specific thing> really bad and I'm sorry I hosed it up" and perhaps because of that, it goes a very long way. 2) State that you're not expecting to be forgiven but you're doing something to make amends, and state what you're doing about it. You're not expecting to be forgiven, remember? Go back to point 0. This isn't a PR stunt, this is you recognising that you hosed up and your fuckup hurt people. You're trying to do the right thing, not trying to "clear your name" or whatever bullshit. Part of this is stating that you will make sure that nothing similar happens in the future, and stating what you're doing about it. If you think you can bullshit your way through this part, go back to point 0. 3) State that you will listen to people's feedback and concerns about everything you have said so far. If you're not intending to do this, you're going to get a whole lot more practice apologising when you inevitably gently caress up again because you're still not listening. 4) Finally, state that you're willing to accept the consequences of your fuckup. If you skip this bit, you're not sorry, you're trying to get away with it and people can tell. If you do all that, and you haven't actually been a criminal during your fuckup, then you're probably going to be more-or-less forgiven by most people. You'll almost certainly be allowed to keep your job. But there's a 5+) at the end where you have to actually live your apology, follow up on people's feedback, never do it again, call it out in other people, and accept the consequences. Elector_Nerdlingen fucked around with this message at 02:05 on Apr 23, 2019 |
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Elector_Nerdlingen posted:It's like loving clockwork. Whenever a semi-famous CHUD shows up to a convention in an SS uniform or harasses guests at an event and gets called out for it, some genius online or in person inevitably asks: “How can they be forgiven? Are we going to let a single lapse in judgement stop this person from being seen in public forever? This is unreasonable! Even a single mistake makes you a pariah forever!”. Of course there is a perfectly clear and obvious path to being forgiven called remorse, but most of them don’t go down it because A) They never actually feel bad about their actions, and B) Many of them don’t know how to be reaccepted into a social group because they’ve never, ever seen anyone do it because of reason A. Like, Jesus, just apologize. We learned this in Kindergarten.
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actually3raccoons posted:Well, poo poo. The CEO of Contessa, Stacey, said this (they hid their twitter for a bit after that but it's back up now):  I think for some context, Stacey was/is acting as a support line for Mandy after the breakup and also going through chemotherapy and I think that was a great thing to do, but yeah people in charge of Contessa have been friendly associates with Zak for years and were perfectly willing to dismiss complaints brought to them right up until this all happened. I get it's easy to be conned by a sociopath, but it was at a stage where it would've been better to avoid making any comments at all and consider ways to make amends to people that were hurt rather than tweeting that. And Contessa's PR Director, Christopher Helton had this to say:  Here's excerpts of the article he refuses to correct about Zak and Pundit consulting on 5e D&D:  
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It's the actual height of grim hilarity that D&D is trying to deflect their shitiness by promoting...another group that was super lovely and helped support literally the same serial harasser. All these fuckers only know each other. This is who they are. This is who they always were and always will be, because they will absolutely never change. Zak S might be on the downswing but they are going to do everything they can to defend this web of poo poo they made.
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Nuns with Guns posted:Here's excerpts of the article he refuses to correct about Zak and Pundit consulting on 5e D&D: Bending over to be precise: he can't correct it himself, he no longer writes for them and doesn't have edit access. However, as far as I know he hasn't asked Bleeding Cool to correct or update the article either.
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moths posted:I'd love to know in what goddamn context he thinks it's appropriate to call Erlingsdottir "a bad actor" here. Failure to pretend Zak is good? "She hurt my feelings so she's bad." That's it. He didn't mean to be a complete fuckass and wasn't personally convinced until Mandy spoke up, so anyone calling out Zak supporters or accusing him of being bad before that are still mean liars. He wasn't wrong, because all the claims he dismissed were false; it just happened there was real abuse he can't have been expected to know about going on at the same time. He's loving poo poo and refuses to accept fault for his actions, in other words.
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moths posted:I'd love to know in what goddamn context he thinks it's appropriate to call Erlingsdottir "a bad actor" here. Failure to pretend Zak is good? Roland Jones posted:"She hurt my feelings so she's bad." That's it. He didn't mean to be a complete fuckass and wasn't personally convinced until Mandy spoke up, so anyone calling out Zak supporters or accusing him of being bad before that are still mean liars. He wasn't wrong, because all the claims he dismissed were false; it just happened there was a true claim he can't have been expected to know about as well. Yeah, it's this. She was a "bad actor" because she called out their horseshit, the most capital of crimes. Words mean nothing to these shitheads. Don't bother listening to their mealy mouthed non-apologies.
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I went back to see if there was more to the story. Something sure looks different now! E: found the original but it took some clicking: 
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Misgendering Freyja sure makes them seem like a class act in comparison. Do they ever like, explain why she's a bad actor or is it really just "because we said so"?
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Reene posted:Misgendering Freyja sure makes them seem like a class act in comparison. It's the latter. Freyja has been one of the more outspoken people reminding everyone that Zak's a piece of poo poo for literal years so everyone in Zak's orbit has by now fixated on her as a public enemy, and even now that Zak's receipts have been made clear as crystal a bunch of them still probably dislike her. Remember, these are the same people going "nobody gets to say I told you so about this!" because the alternative is admitting they were stanning for an abusive rapist and serial harasser and ignored everyone telling them so, including Freyja.
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Reene posted:Misgendering Freyja sure makes them seem like a class act in comparison. That poo poo went down before Freyja's name reveal. But yeah, it was entirely 'Those people were 100% right the entire time but they hurt our feelings so gently caress them' because that's how these things always go.
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