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Meme Poker Party
Sep 1, 2006

by Azathoth
Starfuel Wars: OPEC Strikes Back

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Bogus Adventure
Jan 11, 2017

More like "Bulges Adventure"
I am Oo-day Namoonien from the Fuel Processing Consortium, and I hereby declare our organization's intention to separate from the Galactic Republic.

Colonel Cancer
Sep 26, 2015

Tune into the fireplace channel, you absolute buffoon
Peak space oil

Winifred Madgers
Feb 12, 2002

Milkfred E. Moore posted:

it's funny because 1. people who would call themselves left preaching blind obedience based on nothing but someone's rank

This really shouldn't surprise anyone, look at the unquestioning reverence many currently have for the intelligence services, but if the same tactics were used on a person with a (D) by their name instead of an (R) it'd be an outrage. Dogmatism is the blinding factor, and that's not limited to one particular ideology.

WatermelonGun
May 7, 2009
i was definitely drunk when i was forced to watch solo and all i really remember was being jealous thandie newton got to blow herself up and out of the movie

Applewhite
Aug 16, 2014

by vyelkin
Nap Ghost

TheIncredulousHulk posted:

It's baffling how much more sense everyone's behavior would make if the original assumption for how they were being followed through hyperspace was a spy on board, to the point I feel like this had to be in an original version and was cut out in subsequent drafts in favor of adding the stupid tracker and the casino planet sidequest

The whole thing where being tracked through hyperspace went from being “impossible” to “theoretically possible” to “I used to mop the room where the active tracking device is kept” in the space of a single conversation pissed me off so much I almost walked out then and there.

Colonel Cancer
Sep 26, 2015

Tune into the fireplace channel, you absolute buffoon
Solo was infinitely more watchable imo. I tried to hit up Last Jedi on Netflix and couldn't get past the loving chase scene.

Applewhite
Aug 16, 2014

by vyelkin
Nap Ghost

Colonel Cancer posted:

Solo was infinitely more watchable imo. I tried to hit up Last Jedi on Netflix and couldn't get past the loving chase scene.

I liked Solo better than TLJ the first time I saw it but it doesn’t hold up to subsequent viewings. I appreciated the puppet worm in the beginning tho.

Vim Fuego
Jun 1, 2000



Ultra Carp

Colonel Cancer posted:

Solo was infinitely more watchable imo. I tried to hit up Last Jedi on Netflix and couldn't get past the loving chase scene.

the chase scene was going on for 1.5 hrs tho

Applewhite
Aug 16, 2014

by vyelkin
Nap Ghost

Vim Fuego posted:

the chase scene was going on for 1.5 hrs tho

Probably why he couldn’t get past it

WatermelonGun
May 7, 2009
i can’t fathom watching any of these movies more than once

Applewhite
Aug 16, 2014

by vyelkin
Nap Ghost

WatermelonGun posted:

i can’t fathom watching any of these movies more than once

Not even Empire Strikes Back?

I watched that VHS so many times the hinges on the clamshell case wore out.

KillerJunglist
May 22, 2007

Lion of Judah protect you, Jah be praised.

WatermelonGun posted:

i can’t fathom watching any of these movies more than once

I saw the prequels in the theater and by the time "revenge" came out I sort of went out of obligation although I wasn't excited for it.

Learned my lesson tho. When I slogged through the second hobbit movie I was like "nope, not doing this again" and still haven't seen the third one.

Applewhite
Aug 16, 2014

by vyelkin
Nap Ghost

KillerJunglist posted:

I saw the prequels in the theater and by the time "revenge" came out I sort of went out of obligation although I wasn't excited for it.

Learned my lesson tho. When I slogged through the second hobbit movie I was like "nope, not doing this again" and still haven't seen the third one.

Good for you.

For me I skipped the middle one and watched the end one so I can tell you it was terrible.

QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008

Communist Walrus posted:

Pretty stoked about the upcoming EU book where it's revealed that thing is actually a sith lord who uses his tantalizing evil milk to keep Luke in a miasma so he doesn't have the clarity of mind to leave the island and save the galaxy

And that things name: jar jar binks

that's what gungans look like when they grow old

QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008

Applewhite posted:

Not even Empire Strikes Back?

I watched that VHS so many times the hinges on the clamshell case wore out.

Same but I was 10 at the time

KillerJunglist
May 22, 2007

Lion of Judah protect you, Jah be praised.

Applewhite posted:

Good for you.

For me I skipped the middle one and watched the end one so I can tell you it was terrible.

The second one has an Ed Sheeran song playing during the credits. My wife and I looked at each other and were literally:

Applewhite
Aug 16, 2014

by vyelkin
Nap Ghost

QuarkJets posted:

Same but I was 10 at the time

The part where Luke was hanging from the antenna was really scary and each time I watched it I was never sure they would rescue him this time.

BeanpolePeckerwood
May 4, 2004

I MAY LOOK LIKE SHIT BUT IM ALSO DUMB AS FUCK



piratepilates posted:

take the fleet to a random salt moon while suffering terrible attrition, keep all of the real plan in the dark, hope no one mutinies because it looks like a slow death spiral, and then hope that the imperials don't do anything like "look at the ships in plain sight with a big magnifying glass like they did", or "check that empty moon to make sure there's no base there", and hope that your distress signal will reach anyone who gives a poo poo

its just not a very convincing plan, maybe I'm missing something, who would ever just go along with that

Bogus Adventure posted:

It's a poorly thought-out conflict, certainly complicated by the poor setup that JJ Abrams gave in Episode VII. For some reason, a small extremist group manages to create a super planet killer as well as a massive fleet with the financial backing to maintain it. The Resistance, although run by the victors of in the Rebellion against the Galactic Empire, has zero support despite dealing a pretty big blow to the First Order in blowing up their planet killer. However, allowing ships and people to get blown up while running away from the First Order fleet to a stationary planetary base is considered a good use of the Resistance's scarce resources.

Also, reminder that Solo was made to explain the whole hyperspace fuel plot flaw to show that the Rebellion had plenty of fuel, but the Resistance totally doesn't!

Lol.

Applewhite posted:

The whole thing where being tracked through hyperspace went from being “impossible” to “theoretically possible” to “I used to mop the room where the active tracking device is kept” in the space of a single conversation pissed me off so much I almost walked out then and there.

reading these words giving me ptsd, film is monumentally stupid

Applewhite posted:

I liked Solo better than TLJ the first time I saw it but it doesn’t hold up to subsequent viewings. I appreciated the puppet worm in the beginning tho.

I don't think Solo is better, per say, but it feels like it captures more actual humor and sweeping romance from genuine actor chemistry like the OT did, which is pretty much all SW ever had going for it besides flashing lights. The PT and ST have no chemistry, no legitimate romance, tepid humor, no urgency, and basically a glut of boring effects that are now standard trashmob poo poo in the industry

If they want to live up to being 'Space Opera' then they might as well at least try to depict convincing emotional interactions to go along with the laser show

BeanpolePeckerwood fucked around with this message at 07:05 on Apr 23, 2019

QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008

TLJ had a lot of stupid poo poo in it but then I'm reminded that The Phantom Menace had a pair of heroic jedi rolling up into a town with literal slaves and the jedi were just like "yeah this is all fine, the real crime is the trade federation imposing an embargo on Space Venice"

galactic heroes of the free market i guess

Applewhite
Aug 16, 2014

by vyelkin
Nap Ghost

QuarkJets posted:

TLJ had a lot of stupid poo poo in it but then I'm reminded that The Phantom Menace had a pair of heroic jedi rolling up into a town with literal slaves and the jedi were just like "yeah this is all fine, the real crime is the trade federation imposing an embargo on Space Venice"

galactic heroes of the free market i guess

Now now, they did cheat at gambling for the purposes of separating a child from his mother.

FuturePastNow
May 19, 2014


I wore out two separate VHS sets of the original trilogy as a kid

Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008

Applewhite posted:

Maybe she should have taken two seconds to explain her plan instead of keeping it a secret.

Throughout the movie there's two big underlying mysteries: a) how is the 1st Order tracking the rebels through hyperspace, and b) why isn't Holdo telling people the plan? Both of these questions can be elegantly explained by there being a spy within the rebel fleet, and Holdo knows about this so she's keeping people in the dark.

But of course the actual answers are a) the 1st Order just invented some thing that lets them track the rebels through hyperspace, and b) ???

My expectations were so loving subverted!

Laterite
Mar 14, 2007

It's Gutfest '89
Grimey Drawer

BeanpolePeckerwood posted:


I don't think Solo is better, per say, but it feels like it captures more actual humor and sweeping romance from genuine actor chemistry like the OT did, which is pretty much all SW ever had going for it besides flashing lights. The PT and ST have no chemistry, no legitimate romance, tepid humor, no urgency, and basically a glut of boring effects that are now standard trashmob poo poo in the industry

If they want to live up to being 'Space Opera' then they might as well at least try to depict convincing emotional interactions to go along with the laser show

Yeah this is why both Rogue One and Solo worked for me; while they weren't perfect they at least had the look and feel of the original trilogy and kept things simple story-wise. They weren't trying to "subvert" anything or pretending that at the end of the day it isn't fun to just see some weird aliens and shooty space guns.

Laterite
Mar 14, 2007

It's Gutfest '89
Grimey Drawer
Also lol that Holdo is from Planet Granola Aunt and turns out to be a massive authoritarian scold. Almost as if hippies are just as fascist as anyone else. :thunk:

Laterite fucked around with this message at 09:08 on Apr 23, 2019

Mooey Cow
Jan 27, 2018

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Pillbug
TLJ gets even better once you realize the First Order could easily see that the Resistance ships are running straight towards that planet and could just intercept them, but choose not to, because they are equally dumb.

Kind of like that one Snoke guard that has two knives but when Rey puts him in an arm lock he throws the other one away to avoid easily winning and dies instead.

Applewhite
Aug 16, 2014

by vyelkin
Nap Ghost

Mooey Cow posted:

TLJ gets even better once you realize the First Order could easily see that the Resistance ships are running straight towards that planet and could just intercept them, but choose not to, because they are equally dumb.

Kind of like that one Snoke guard that has two knives but when Rey puts him in an arm lock he throws the other one away to avoid easily winning and dies instead.

And they must have jumped out of hyperspace inside that planet’s solar system anyway because much of the chase happens at sublight speed so unless the chase went on for literal years they were actually extremely close to the planet the whole time.

Also I wonder if they ditched the idea that there was a spy/tracking device in the resistance fleet because otherwise it would just be a total ripoff of the BSG episode “33.”

Applewhite
Aug 16, 2014

by vyelkin
Nap Ghost
I think I could have forgiven the Casino Planet plot if the Casino mission had actually taken weeks or months but Finn and whatsername’s absence wasn’t missed because the resistance fleet was traveling at 90% lightspeed so to them Finn was gone for all of five minutes.

BeanpolePeckerwood
May 4, 2004

I MAY LOOK LIKE SHIT BUT IM ALSO DUMB AS FUCK



I guess one of the big reasons why (aside from lack of actor chemistry) the 'space opera' feeling no longer delivers is because the quality of the editing and the accompanying score feel so incredibly generic and half assed. Like, I'm not going to argue that the PT delivers on shot composition and editing, but in the final work at least William's score felt outsized and provocative.

BeanpolePeckerwood
May 4, 2004

I MAY LOOK LIKE SHIT BUT IM ALSO DUMB AS FUCK



Mooey Cow posted:


Kind of like that one Snoke guard that has two knives but when Rey puts him in an arm lock he throws the other one away to avoid easily winning and dies instead.

He doesn't even throw it away, I think they just edited it out digitally or something. It just disappears. It's really bad.

Blistex
Oct 30, 2003

Macho Business
Donkey Wrestler

BeanpolePeckerwood posted:

He doesn't even throw it away, I think they just edited it out digitally or something. It just disappears. It's really bad.

That whole throne room fight scene looked like something from a fan film. Not so much the effects, but how clumsy and stuttering it was. When you have viewers noticing people literally standing still for a second or more to get their timing right, or intentionally swinging to miss, you've really hosed up the choreography.

Bistromatic
Oct 3, 2004

And turn the inner eye
To see its path...

Applewhite posted:

Also I wonder if they ditched the idea that there was a spy/tracking device in the resistance fleet because otherwise it would just be a total ripoff of the BSG episode “33.”
On the other hand 33 was the best space chase i've seen so far and i was thinking they should have ripped it off the whole time.

BeanpolePeckerwood
May 4, 2004

I MAY LOOK LIKE SHIT BUT IM ALSO DUMB AS FUCK



Blistex posted:

That whole throne room fight scene looked like something from a fan film. Not so much the effects, but how clumsy and stuttering it was. When you have viewers noticing people literally standing still for a second or more to get their timing right, or intentionally swinging to miss, you've really hosed up the choreography.

I'll do you one better: the editing in that scene is bad enough that I think fan-edits could actually do it better

There was some weird Thor looking superfan on youtube who went through the motions of editing the throne room fight scene in TLJ so that it flowed better visually and harmonized better with the score, and he added in several notable pieces for his score, including a version of Ren's theme from TFA and an alternate version of Duel of the Fates from TPM...instead of the kind of manic temp-music almost nothing score from The Last Jedi proper...and the positive effect is kind of remarkable and really emotionally satisfying. The scene goes from clumsy whip-pan-zoom anticlimax to a sort of balletic and propulsive surge. He's not the most articulate dude but he does talk about his thought process behind each change and he comes across as genuine and excited about the emotions trying to be conveyed through the violence of the scene. It's kind of too bad that he has to chop it up into microfragments in order for it to not be taken down.

Applewhite
Aug 16, 2014

by vyelkin
Nap Ghost

Bistromatic posted:

On the other hand 33 was the best space chase i've seen so far and i was thinking they should have ripped it off the whole time.

They might as well have. The comparison was inevitable anyway.

Automatic Slim
Jul 1, 2007

The worst crime of Last Jedi was Luke spear fishing. Jedi's are strict vegetarians.

BeanpolePeckerwood
May 4, 2004

I MAY LOOK LIKE SHIT BUT IM ALSO DUMB AS FUCK



Automatic Slim posted:

The worst crime of Last Jedi was Luke spear fishing. Jedi's are strict vegetarians.

Why did Yoda eat that loving hotdog then, hmmmmmmmmm?????!!!!!

Automatic Slim
Jul 1, 2007

Space tofu.

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy
Since the last good star warred movie was made in the 80s I'm just here to see the washing and gnailing of teeth plus resultant arguments & defenders when the latest movie in a series of poo poo movies by the mouse, turns out to be poo poo.

I mean who could possibly predict that outcome?

Applewhite
Aug 16, 2014

by vyelkin
Nap Ghost

DancingShade posted:

Since the last good star warred movie was made in the 80s I'm just here to see the washing and gnailing of teeth plus resultant arguments & defenders when the latest movie in a series of poo poo movies by the mouse, turns out to be poo poo.

I mean who could possibly predict that outcome?

It’s gonna suck but I’ll admit I’m probably gonna see it because it’s almost as much fun to trash talk the movie MST3K style with my wife as it is to watch a good movie.

I still have fond memories of Battleship because my friends and I got drunk and shouted insults at the screen through the whole movie.

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DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Applewhite posted:

It’s gonna suck

I mean it's your money, you do you.

We float in an ocean of poo poo movies though. Have you considered trawling the bargain clearance bins for your fill in the meantime and picking up a copy of the latest space mouse movie from there once they're trying to get the things off the shelves?

Wait let me give you a starting recommendation: Rupture. I guarantee you'll think it's poo poo. Good main lead but it doesn't save a garbage movie. Will definitely be cheap if you're hunting down a copy.

DancingShade fucked around with this message at 10:26 on Apr 23, 2019

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