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Solaris 2.0 posted:Oh goodie I can't wait to see what came out of this meeting. Richard Spencer is still on Twitter. I occasionally still see 1488 in Twitter handles making barely vague death threats to anyone Jewish, Muslim, etc Unfortunately you have to report these people because Twitter on its own doesn't move to filter them out.
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if the boomers love "civil service" so much how about instead of requiring the young to do it we require the retired to do it to get their social security checks. oh, they suddenly don't like it now? hmm. curious. almost as if they don't care about civil service and just hate millennials and want to force them to do what the boomers care about.
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Teabag Dome Scandal posted:yeah, civil service or whatever is just boomer poo poo. if there is a need for these roles then loving hire people to do it. why are we trying to force kids to poorly build houses or whatever the gently caress it is Americorpse does. Why is a constant cycle of poorly trained short term workers a net positive? It's an excuse to under pay people for work that needs doing under the auspices of self betterment or some stupid self help book buzzwords. There's a value in getting people outside their comfort zones, interacting with different people, and experiencing the needs of others. Are you so blind you think the privilege pipeline that goes from private school to bribery to elite colleges to undeserved placement in companies isn't a huge part of why the new nobility are totally unsympathetic to the needs of those less fortunate than themselves? They live their whole lives in bubbles. As to whether it's efficient or not, to some degree it doesn't matter, but if you have a program like that people will get good at training poeple quickly and identifying jobs they can do without extensive training. You wont just have a pile of wood and bricks and pipe and electrical wiring and tell some teenagers to build a house. There'll be skilled craftpersons and managers involved. You'd probably, logically, combine this service with free college or some net endowment to start a business. why would it be rural and isolated the problems are in cities? Again, logically, you'd probably rotate people through a couple of different jobs so they'd get different experiences, so probably a mix of rural and urban.
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Solkanar512 posted:Why do these requirements always apply to the young at the behest of the old? The old ruling over the young describes basically every democracy on the planet, why is it suddenly an issue with a hypothetical civil service program?
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axeil posted:if the boomers love "civil service" so much how about instead of requiring the young to do it we require the retired to do it to get their social security checks. You realize this is the exact same stupid loving argument that ending extortionate student loan payments is unfair to people who paid off their student loans right? You're literally that stupid.
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Solkanar512 posted:Why should anyone have to put their life on hold to be sent away from their friends and families (you know, their support networks) just because a bunch of old people want them to? Why do these requirements always apply to the young at the behest of the old? Look at this FYGM poster? Seriously the point of such a program would be to build community as well as a feeling of connection to society and help people to get a start in their lives, Also the idea would be to pay a living wage because it's supposed to be a public works program, also while I personally believe that making a 2 year commitment mandatory for the young is a good thing it doesn't mean that such programs would only be limited to the young or that people couldn't decide that they wanted to remain in the program as a career. Kind of an employer of last result. And frankly being sent away from their friends, families and support networks for a couple years would do most people some good, particularly when those friends, families and support networks are a bunch of regressive chuds. Giving young people exposure to other peoples and cultures is the best way to combat xenophobia and racism. Plus it would give an alternative to the actual military which despite what many ITT seem to believe most young people join because it's a path out of poverty and them having options that don't require them to have to sell their souls to the MIC would be an objectively good thing. I'm for such a program whether it's mandatory or not.
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Teabag Dome Scandal posted:yeah, civil service or whatever is just boomer poo poo. if there is a need for these roles then loving hire people to do it. why are we trying to force kids to poorly build houses or whatever the gently caress it is Americorpse does. Why is a constant cycle of poorly trained short term workers a net positive? It's an excuse to under pay people for work that needs doing under the auspices of self betterment or some stupid self help book buzzwords. You pay them a living wage Also we're approaching this from a socialist, not a boomer angle. This has been done before, and it was very successful. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Youth_Administration Like this is socialism 101 if you are against this and write it off as "boomer poo poo" then maybe re consider what your political beliefs are? In this reality (again, where Bernie is Premier of the Socialist States of America) where this is happening we're also taxing the gently caress out of boomers and redistributing their wealth so its not like they are using millennials as slave labor jesus loving christ. Solaris 2.0 fucked around with this message at 22:58 on Apr 23, 2019 |
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Solaris 2.0 posted:It's good to get people out of their comfort zones and be exposed to different communities? Also, its good to help the poor and needy? I mean, if you yourself are poor or you have to take care of a family member exemptions can be made. If you bothered to address the points I made, maybe you would understand more. 1. You ignore that the timing might be completely poo poo. Lots of folks transfer directly from high school trade programs into apprenticeships or say need to keep their math skills sharp are going to have serious issues. 2. You ignore that lots of folks are already poor and are exposed to issues surrounding that. I qualified for free/reduced lunch. In my time off I worked with the rest of my family cleaning houses and doing commercial janitorial/landscaping. Now you’d just ship me off to some random place to do the same? Or maybe it’s something worse like elder care or planting trees in the middle of no where. Most high schoolers are already working their asses off with service projects and increased workloads and what not. 3. It’s always the young that have to “pay their dues”, never the lovely boomers who demand these programs. Why don’t older people have to drop everything and do poo poo? 4. Fun times if you’re not cis and get sent somewhere that doesn’t recognize your right to exist. 5. Days to weeks to months? What is this, a loving poverty tour? You aren’t going to get anything done in that long, let alone proper training. Address these points.
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Solaris 2.0 posted:I'll jump in this debate. I've had more than a few rounds of drinks with some of my more lefty friends and we are of the opinion that mandatory civil service is cool and good. Dumbass teenagers ladeling out some soup or nailing together some plywood and calling it a house doesn't actually help anyone. It's playacting what rich white people think helping is, so that they don't feel guilty about not actually helping anybody.
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Solkanar512 posted:If you bothered to address the points I made, maybe you would understand more. DEBATE ME COWARD! (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Skex posted:What amazes me is how many so called "leftists" oppose mandatory service, how the gently caress do they think full communism works? You get assigned a job based on your abilities and you loving do it or else you get sent to the reeducation camps. In full communism no one tells anyone else what to do. Everyone works to the best of their ability, and take what they need.
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pseudanonymous posted:You realize this is the exact same stupid loving argument that ending extortionate student loan payments is unfair to people who paid off their student loans right? Sorry what? The student loan argument is indeed stupid, but I don't think the poster you quoted was making a similar case at all.
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pseudanonymous posted:You realize this is the exact same stupid loving argument that ending extortionate student loan payments is unfair to people who paid off their student loans right? You are literally that dril tweet about the guy who thinks good things (free college) and bad things (forced labor) are the same.
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One of my favorite sub-genres of news stories has been Jack getting dragged and assailed by the ungrateful crazy right wing turds he constantly pampers.
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Grape posted:One of my favorite sub-genres of news stories has been Jack getting dragged and assailed by the ungrateful crazy right wing turds he constantly pampers. I'm not sure if the never ending working of the refs should be considered very entertaining given the endless rightward shift it's destined to cause
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Does anyone know if this guy knows what he’s talking about? https://www.theatlantic.com/letters/archive/2019/04/2020-census-citizenship-supreme-court-new-york-v-department-of-commerce/587716/ quote:Letter: The Census Citizenship Question Is a ‘Nonissue’ quote:An interviewer for the U.S. Census Bureau explains that citizenship information is already available through the American Community Survey. Shimrra Jamaane fucked around with this message at 23:47 on Apr 23, 2019 |
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[quote="Solkanar512" post="494500772"] 1. You ignore that the timing might be completely poo poo. Lots of folks transfer directly from high school trade programs into apprenticeships or say need to keep their math skills sharp are going to have serious issues. Good they can get a waiver 2. You ignore that lots of folks are already poor and are exposed to issues surrounding that. I qualified for free/reduced lunch. In my time off I worked with the rest of my family cleaning houses and doing commercial janitorial/landscaping. Now you’d just ship me off to some random place to do the same? Or maybe it’s something worse like elder care or planting trees in the middle of no where. Most high schoolers are already working their asses off with service projects and increased workloads and what not. Good you can qualify for a waiver 3. It’s always the young that have to “pay their dues”, never the lovely boomers who demand these programs. Why don’t older people have to drop everything and do poo poo? see my above post, in this magical Socialist States of America boomers are taxed to hell and their wealth re-distributed 4. Fun times if you’re not cis and get sent somewhere that doesn’t recognize your right to exist. Then take the option to help out in your local community - again in this scenario you have the option of local community services 5. Days to weeks to months? What is this, a loving poverty tour? You aren’t going to get anything done in that long, let alone proper training. You are gone long enough to get exposed to acute poverty and provide some good? Address these points. Done, but you are attacking these points like this is some of sort of "Rip the poor away form their communities so they can build houses for the benefit of boomers" when the point of the program is to rip away ivy league trust-funders so they can get some actual exposure. I have no idea why you think I'm being hostile or this fantasy program has some sort of hostile intent? Its mean to target rich kids not poor POC. And again, this has been done before https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Youth_Administration Solaris 2.0 fucked around with this message at 23:07 on Apr 23, 2019 |
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twice burned ice posted:Harvard Republicans Ashamed to Call Themsleves What They Are just wasn't as catchy, you know Tbqh that’s literally what they are. Especially after Trump it’s harder for college students to identify as Republican and be socially active. Particularly women. (Good)
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This is just loving pathetic. The fact that we can't somehow manage to get it together long enough to run him out on a rail is worse.
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Parts of the country are actively on fire, underwater or some combination of both. I better call in Jack Twitter to yell at him for being mean to me.
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It's amazing how his thesis, the US is beginning to resemble pre-war Nazi Germany, is correct, yet every piece of reasoning which gets him there is totally incorrect.
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I'm so, so glad Sam Bee tried to rehabilitate this brain-genius back in 2016.
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BTW Isis is saying that the Sri Lanka bombings are in retaliation for the NZ Mosque Massacre. It’s unlikely that the bombings could have been planned and carried out in so short a period of time though.
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I too get Really loving Mad about community service.
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Solaris 2.0 posted:I have no idea why you think I'm being hostile or this fantasy program has some sort of hostile intent? Its mean to target rich kids not poor POC. Cool dude, but the poor kids will be the ones who can't get out of these programs while the rich will dodge them effortlessly, as has been the case with every kind of mandatory service... ever? In human history? e: And if it's just about a fantasy world where that kind of inequality will be fixed, what's the point of even talking about it when those issues are gonna be major factors to any kind of implementation. Plus, isn't this what mandatory schooling is supposed to do? Developing empathy for others and understanding of the world should be a part of the curriculum, not a labor program. If you want "civil service," you should pay adults to render those services. Casey Finnigan fucked around with this message at 23:23 on Apr 23, 2019 |
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BigBallChunkyTime posted:I too get Really loving Mad about community service. Yea I'm.....taking another break from these forums. By the responses I got you would think I was proposing sending all POC's to work as indentured servants for wealthy white boomers. . . When all I'm really proposing is that wealthy boomers get their money re-distributed and their wealthy trust fund ivy league kids have to spend a summer in AmeraCorps. Casey Finnigan posted:Cool dude, but the poor kids will be the ones who can't get out of these programs while the rich will dodge them effortlessly, as has been the case with every kind of mandatory service... ever? In human history? In my fantasy universe Democratic Socialists are in charge and the program is aimed at wealthy families. Anyway I'm done here. Clearly forced community service, even if literal socialists are in charge, is a terrible idea. Solaris 2.0 fucked around with this message at 23:25 on Apr 23, 2019 |
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lol at trying to pass off forced labor (that the rich will absolutely be able to buy themselves out of) as some sort of leftist policy
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Solaris 2.0 posted:Yea I'm.....taking another break from these forums. Yeah, they can dogpile pretty quickly in here. for the record I don't know what what that orgainzation is, but I think community service requirements for all young people is a good thing.
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I mean, you really can't be like "this is my proposed idea" and then when people point out flaws you just go "well it's a fantasy world where everything is perfect and there's no problems." My idea is that I should be the king of Earth, in my fantasy world everyone likes this idea so don't argue with me about it, in the debate forum.
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This is the first time I've seen this picture and it's a DOOZY.
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TulliusCicero posted:How much of this was him complaining about his fanboys and bots getting banned? https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1120807754963324930 alot of it apparently.
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Casey Finnigan posted:I mean, you really can't be like "this is my proposed idea" and then when people point out flaws you just go "well it's a fantasy world where everything is perfect and there's no problems." But you also can't just go "Welp, the rich are probably gonna just buy their way out of it, so that means we shouldn't even try to teach the other 99% of young people the value of community service."
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Casey Finnigan posted:I mean, you really can't be like "this is my proposed idea" and then when people point out flaws you just go "well it's a fantasy world where everything is perfect and there's no problems." They're pretty stupid objections for the most part that don't engage seriously with the idea. The big important criticism is that however you set it up, the rich will buy their way out of it.
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Skex posted:Look at this FYGM poster? I was in AmeriCorps, so you can take that FYGM and shove it. I grew up pretty poor, why the gently caress would I need to be exposed to it “for my own good”? I grew up cleaning the encrusted poo poo covering the toilets of the rich, why would you begrudge me the chance to finally be free of that? There’s no way I could have taken two years off and still have kept my math skills in check - this goes for a poo poo ton of trades as well. I already see the poverty and environmental issues in my own community, but even my AmeriCorps time wouldn’t count because it took place where I grew up. It doesn’t matter that I was hauling 8” ball and burlap trees up and down hillsides during the wettest winter on record, I “wasn’t out of my comfort zone” enough for folks like you. And how the gently caress are you “building community” when you ship people off to random places? I certainly experienced the community building myself but that had a great deal to do with being from the area and understanding it. People from out of town aren’t going to give a poo poo about salmon ecology or habitat protection like folks who are local are. But hey, at least I’m cis and don’t have to worry about rando states and municipalities not considering me an actual person. Too bad if you aren’t and get sent to the wrong place! Employer of last resort is one thing, telling the young to put their lives on hold is completely hosed up.
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BigBallChunkyTime posted:But you also can't just go "Welp, the rich are probably gonna just buy their way out of it, so that means we shouldn't even try to teach the other 99% of young people the value of community service." If the rich buy their way out of it, what is the value? Poor kids going into neighborhoods populated by poor kids to learn how poor kids live? Kids already go to school, it's reasonable to say that schools and school districts should be more involved in creating and funding programs for teaching children to understand the people who live around them and provide job experience, job training, etc. That's pretty simple stuff as far as educational reforms go. But why is some mandatory community service program needed for that? Casey Finnigan fucked around with this message at 23:39 on Apr 23, 2019 |
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BigBallChunkyTime posted:Yeah, they can dogpile pretty quickly in here. It's basically how mandatory service works in countries without active shooting wars, like Finland and South Korea, although both are male-only. Eventually you have to decide what you're going to do with people who refuse to serve in any capacity, though. Plus, eventually someone starts throwing in exemptions, like athletes or violinists(?), and it spirals from there.
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