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| Joe "the liberal who fights busing" Biden |
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27 | 1.40% |
| Bernie "please don't die" Sanders |
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1017 | 52.69% |
| Cory "charter schools" Booker |
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12 | 0.62% |
| Kirsten "wall street" Gillibrand |
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24 | 1.24% |
| Kamala "truancy queen" Harris |
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59 | 3.06% |
| Julian "who?" Castro |
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7 | 0.36% |
| Tulsi "gay panic" Gabbard |
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25 | 1.30% |
| Michael "crimes crimes crimes" Avenatti |
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22 | 1.14% |
| Sherrod "discount bernie" Brown |
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21 | 1.09% |
| Amy "horrible boss" Klobuchar |
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12 | 0.62% |
| Tammy "stands for america" Duckworth |
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48 | 2.49% |
| Beto "whataburger" O'Rourke |
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32 | 1.66% |
| Elizabeth "instagram beer" Warren |
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284 | 14.72% |
| Tom "impeach please" Steyer |
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4 | 0.21% |
| Michael "soda is the devil" Bloomberg |
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9 | 0.47% |
| Joseph Stalin |
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287 | 14.87% |
| Howard "coffee republican" Schultz |
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10 | 0.52% |
Jay "nobody cares about climate change  " Inslee |
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13 | 0.67% |
| Pete "gently caress the homeless" Butt Man |
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17 | 0.88% |
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Craptacular! posted:My boomer Mom loved the Clintons, and once described an appearance by Bill on the Letterman show where he explained some economic things in such a way that she felt she actually understood some concepts she never knew about. With some prodding, I eventually got her to realize that Hillary didn’t have that trait. Hillary reads you her prepared report in any subject you want, but you don’t feel smarter yourself in understanding it. You’re just left aware that she knows a lot about it and you stay dumb. your mom is the average voter LOL
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Apr 23, 2019 23:06
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Just have Peter Daou use his skills and form all the radicalized kids into a militia and let them wage guerilla war against the DNC and CNN.
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Apr 23, 2019 23:13
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Ruzihm posted:enrolling that kind of person tends to result in Harvard getting lots of money so really they are precisely the right kind of stupid for Harvard to want. To whit: https://twitter.com/JStein_WaPo/status/1120818245429354498
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Apr 23, 2019 23:39
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Silver going for the hot take record https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1120806730793988096
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Apr 23, 2019 23:45
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Typo posted:restoring prisoner's right to vote is unlikely to be a big issue in the GE imo I think the Venn diagram of who cares about those issues is a near circle.
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Apr 23, 2019 23:53
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Z. Autobahn posted:Silver going for the hot take record Well, can't blame them.
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Apr 24, 2019 00:00
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HootTheOwl posted:I think the Venn diagram of who cares about those issues is a near circle. immigration polls at 2nd most important issue during midterms, I would be surprised if "restore felon rights to vote" polls >6-7th overall by Nov 2020
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Apr 24, 2019 00:01
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bowser posted:https://twitter.com/AndrewPaulJoyce/status/1120383159890325511?s=19 Peter Douche is feeling the Bern? What in the gently caress? Is this reality? 
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Apr 24, 2019 00:07
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Gresh posted:Peter Douche is feeling the Bern? What in the gently caress? Is this reality? His brain unbroke like 6 months after the election
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Apr 24, 2019 00:10
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"Find a wedge issue where the polling favors them, sensationalize it with lurid examples, and drive the media narrative to focus exclusively on this" is basically the GOP playbook so I'd expect the third debate to exclusively focus on whether Ted Bundy should be allowed to vote or not
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Apr 24, 2019 00:10
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Bernie is getting desperate. https://twitter.com/brendohare/status/1120824453787783169?s=19
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Apr 24, 2019 00:10
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AlBorlantern Corps posted:Bernie is getting desperate. I'm not gonna lie, that's pretty funny.
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Apr 24, 2019 00:13
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John Cena?!
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Apr 24, 2019 00:13
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Z. Autobahn posted:"Find a wedge issue where the polling favors them, sensationalize it with lurid examples, and drive the media narrative to focus exclusively on this" is basically the GOP playbook so I'd expect the third debate to exclusively focus on whether Ted Bundy should be allowed to vote or not see willy horten
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Apr 24, 2019 00:15
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the composite guy still looks like Eric Swalwell
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Apr 24, 2019 00:44
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Bernie drops more than Biden in this poll: https://twitter.com/MonmouthPoll/status/1120673839489454081
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Apr 24, 2019 00:45
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WampaLord posted:Voting rights for prisoners is indeed unpopular (just googled a poll showing it's opposed by 65% of Americans), but if we never advocate for unpopular positions, they can never become popular and will never get enacted. It's important to push for good moral positions, especially when they are unpopular. This is how the Overton Window is moved. Voting rights for prisoners just won by like 70% of the vote in Florida which is the most competitive state in the nation. Given it's large population and political balance making it a good proxy for the nation, it can't be true that the US is against by 65%.
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Apr 24, 2019 00:46
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LinYutang posted:Bernie drops more than Biden in this poll: This tracks with the other poll that showed Butt eating a lot of Bernie's soft support
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Apr 24, 2019 00:47
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The good news is that Bernie will get those votes back once the Buttigieg's Ben Carson effect wears off.
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Apr 24, 2019 00:48
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Charlz Guybon posted:Voting rights for prisoners just won by like 70% of the vote in Florida which is the most competitive state in the nation. Given it's large population and political balance making it a good proxy for the nation, it can't be true that the US is against by 65%. I thought it was for people released from prison not the people currently in prison
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Apr 24, 2019 00:49
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Typo posted:I thought it was for people released from prison not the people currently in prison That's correct.
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Apr 24, 2019 00:50
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Z. Autobahn posted:Silver going for the hot take record https://mobile.twitter.com/sunraysunray/status/1120666744840957953
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Apr 24, 2019 00:51
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Pelosi is gone after the election so that's a good thing. What a useless ol' soggy.
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Apr 24, 2019 00:53
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Z. Autobahn posted:This tracks with the other poll that showed Butt eating a lot of Bernie's soft support This, Butt could be a huge threat early on. I don't know how possible it is for him to actually win the nomination, but I can see him doing very well in Iowa and New Hamsphire. The top 3 in Iowa could easily be Bernie, Biden, Butt, in any order. Bernie will win NH but I think Butt could have a strong showing there too.
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Apr 24, 2019 00:54
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Nonsense posted:Pelosi is gone after the election so that's a good thing. What a useless ol' soggy. lol she's not she's gonna stay on for at least 2 more years
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Apr 24, 2019 00:54
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Charlz Guybon posted:Voting rights for prisoners just won by like 70% of the vote in Florida which is the most competitive state in the nation. Given it's large population and political balance making it a good proxy for the nation, it can't be true that the US is against by 65%. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/felons-voting-rights-poll_n_5ab2c153e4b008c9e5f3c88a quote:There’s also less support for allowing felons still serving their sentences to vote, something that just two states ― Maine and Vermont ― currently permit. (There is pending legislation in New Jersey that would make it the third such state.) Just 24 percent of Americans think those in prison for a felony should be able to vote, and only 38 percent favor restoring voting rights for those on probation or parole. My greater point is that who cares what polling says, you have to take morally correct positions whenever possible and as long as they don't significantly hinder your chances of winning, it is both wise and moral to do so. If we wait for justice to poll well, we will be waiting for justice for a long rear end time.
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Apr 24, 2019 00:55
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Z. Autobahn posted:"Find a wedge issue where the polling favors them, sensationalize it with lurid examples, and drive the media narrative to focus exclusively on this" is basically the GOP playbook so I'd expect the third debate to exclusively focus on whether Ted Bundy should be allowed to vote or not Everyone but Chicago political operatives agrees that Ted Bundy shouldn't be allowed to vote. Charles Manson either.
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Apr 24, 2019 00:59
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Z. Autobahn posted:Nate Silver out with this scorcher: Nate just needs more data. Has anyone shared these numbers with him? 
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Apr 24, 2019 01:07
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Typo posted:immigration polls at 2nd most important issue during midterms, I would be surprised if "restore felon rights to vote" polls >6-7th overall by Nov 2020 Only because they don't think it's possible or real.
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Apr 24, 2019 01:25
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HootTheOwl posted:Only because they don't think it's possible or real. I somehow doubt it's going to be a central part of Bernie's general election messaging strategy.
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Apr 24, 2019 01:32
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So how does Bernie chip away at Buttigieg and Biden's support? It seems like no matter how hard he's out there campaigning and rallying all over Iowa etc his polling stays the same or declines as name recognition kicks in.
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Apr 24, 2019 01:35
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Kraftwerk posted:So how does Bernie chip away at Buttigieg and Biden's support? It seems like no matter how hard he's out there campaigning and rallying all over Iowa etc his polling stays the same or declines as name recognition kicks in. You realize there are multiple debates and months before Iowa, yes? It's only April of 2019.
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Apr 24, 2019 01:35
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steinrokkan posted:The good news is that Bernie will get those votes back once the Buttigieg's Ben Carson effect wears off.
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Apr 24, 2019 01:36
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Kraftwerk posted:So how does Bernie chip away at Buttigieg and Biden's support? It seems like no matter how hard he's out there campaigning and rallying all over Iowa etc his polling stays the same or declines as name recognition kicks in. These are slightly different things. Buttigieg is having the 'flash in the pan' surge that's pretty typical for a new candidate debuting on the scene; the odds are very likely his share will naturally decline within the next week or so. Biden is going to stay where he is until the actual debates, which is when we leave the 'name recognition' phase and things become much more in play. More broadly, the challenge Bernie has is that he has extremely high name recognition, which makes his poll numbers much more 'fixed' than a lot of lesser known candidates. Butt can surge from 1% to 10% because that's just people discovering him. Bernie's base of support is stable, but his base of opposition is also stable. This is why his best path forward is that the other candidates split the rest of the support enough that he can gain frontrunner momentum with big early wins. He's never going to be pulling more than 35-40% in the divided field at the very best, BUT that might be enough to win. Z. Autobahn fucked around with this message at 01:44 on Apr 24, 2019 |
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Apr 24, 2019 01:40
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Nate: TWITTER ISN'T REAL LIFE Also Nate: This tweet Proves why Bernie Bros are going to ruin everything
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Apr 24, 2019 01:45
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I mean, I think Silver is right in the very general sense in that what I think Bernie offers, and what makes him more appealing than Warren, is much more of a systemic shock. Bernie winning feels like a repudiation of the DNC in a way Warren winning doesn't; it's not just policy, it's also rhetoric and perspective.
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Apr 24, 2019 01:46
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Z. Autobahn posted:I mean, I think Silver is right in the very general sense in that what I think Bernie offers, and what makes him more appealing than Warren, is much more of a systemic shock. Bernie winning feels like a repudiation of the DNC in a way Warren winning doesn't; it's not just policy, it's also rhetoric and perspective. The poo poo thing about what Nate is doing is calling supporters "fans" and implying they don't actually care about progressive policy, just overturning the table.
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Apr 24, 2019 02:13
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Z. Autobahn posted:I mean, I think Silver is right in the very general sense in that what I think Bernie offers, and what makes him more appealing than Warren, is much more of a systemic shock. Bernie winning feels like a repudiation of the DNC in a way Warren winning doesn't; it's not just policy, it's also rhetoric and perspective. It’s interesting. I wonder if say AOC could run this election and win whether it would feel like a repudiation or the DNC. She’s DSA and worked on Bernie’s campaign, and primaried one of the biggest establishment democrats in the House, but I don’t think it would have the feel of repudiation that say Bernie winning would. Just makes me think of what causes that difference.
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Apr 24, 2019 02:30
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https://twitter.com/jeffzeleny/status/1120860575381237760 How many times has she reminded us that she's a prosecutor? Someone should probably have a tally sheet for it.
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Apr 24, 2019 02:39
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Obama's book is particularly explicit on this point when he describes feeling like most of the ire between Republicans and Democrats was just a rehasing of old campus battles from the 60s. To a certain generation of Democrats, especially those ranging from their mid 30s to their mid 70s, Bernie is the embodiment of the kind of radicalism that they think they matured out of. They more or less define their political maturity as the recognition that better things aren't possible and that skillfully bundling corporate donations is the epitome of good politicking. Sanders winning wouldn't just be a blow against their grifting operation, it would more or less imply that the entire political project they defined their lives and identities around was a mistake.
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