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| Joe "the liberal who fights busing" Biden |
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27 | 1.40% |
| Bernie "please don't die" Sanders |
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1017 | 52.69% |
| Cory "charter schools" Booker |
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12 | 0.62% |
| Kirsten "wall street" Gillibrand |
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24 | 1.24% |
| Kamala "truancy queen" Harris |
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59 | 3.06% |
| Julian "who?" Castro |
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7 | 0.36% |
| Tulsi "gay panic" Gabbard |
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25 | 1.30% |
| Michael "crimes crimes crimes" Avenatti |
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22 | 1.14% |
| Sherrod "discount bernie" Brown |
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21 | 1.09% |
| Amy "horrible boss" Klobuchar |
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12 | 0.62% |
| Tammy "stands for america" Duckworth |
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48 | 2.49% |
| Beto "whataburger" O'Rourke |
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32 | 1.66% |
| Elizabeth "instagram beer" Warren |
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284 | 14.72% |
| Tom "impeach please" Steyer |
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4 | 0.21% |
| Michael "soda is the devil" Bloomberg |
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9 | 0.47% |
| Joseph Stalin |
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287 | 14.87% |
| Howard "coffee republican" Schultz |
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10 | 0.52% |
Jay "nobody cares about climate change  " Inslee |
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13 | 0.67% |
| Pete "gently caress the homeless" Butt Man |
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17 | 0.88% |
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Warren will drop out after South Carolina and endorse Bernie, insha'allah
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Badger of Basra posted:Sorry, is your theory that more democratic primary voters are supporting mayor Pete because more people watch Fox News? I think the point was NPR, NYT et al are ideologically right-wing even if not as right-wing as Fox.
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Apr 24, 2019 18:45
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Kraftwerk posted:I wanna discuss something a little different. This is a bit outside the purview of this, the 2020 Democratic Primary thread. Maybe when we're at the 2020 Democratic Nominee thread.
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Apr 24, 2019 18:46
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The Kingfish posted:Ultimately she would be easier to beat, but the real strategy is to just try and split the progressive wing. The thing is neither Sanders nor Warren is a super dumbass like Third Way Democrats and thinks insulting primary voters (who you will eventually need in the general) is a good idea so that split isn't going to be as huge as the media would like. Also pundits are liars and idiots who exist because they misinform; I think more and more people are realizing they shouldn't be trusted.
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Apr 24, 2019 18:48
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AlBorlantern Corps posted:Liz Warren and Bernie Sanders are allies. Support both until the day of your primary and again as soon as you exit the polling station after having voted for Bernie Since she's never going to be Senate Majority Leader thanks to the hosed-up seniority system, she should be Treasury Secretary in a Sanders administration. Imagine her with all the powers the department would place at her disposal. Kraftwerk posted:I wanna discuss something a little different. Here's the thing. We actually do know this, believe it or not. No successful legislation is ever passed that results in one side getting everything they want. But here's the thing--of the entire field, Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren can be relied upon to begin negotiations at the ideal point. Remember how Obama used to pre-compromise then be shocked that Republicans (in bad faith) would attack his proposal as creeping socialism? We are more likely to get a decent bill from a Warren or Sanders administration because they will start with the ideal bill rather than just pre-compromising and hoping everyone hops on board. Fritz Coldcockin fucked around with this message at 18:54 on Apr 24, 2019 |
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Apr 24, 2019 18:48
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...I knew people at AEI were brokebrained, but gah. Think about how far gone you gotta be to look at that chart and go "Oh, my goodness. Government's getting to be a real problem, we have to unfettered capitalism harder!" e: article's here if anyone wants a hateread http://www.aei.org/publication/chart-of-the-day-or-century/ I keep looking at it and seeing new dumb things. eviltastic fucked around with this message at 18:55 on Apr 24, 2019 |
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Apr 24, 2019 18:52
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Radish posted:The thing is neither Sanders nor Warren is a super dumbass like Third Way Democrats and thinks insulting primary voters (who you will eventually need in the general) is a good idea so that split isn't going to be as huge as the media would like. Also pundits are liars and idiots who exist because they misinform; I think more and more people are realizing they shouldn't be trusted. You are right about this, but I just meant they hope Bernie voters will switch to Warren so that both of them are sitting at an easily ignorable 15%
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Apr 24, 2019 18:53
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The Kingfish posted:You are right about this, but I just meant they hope Bernie voters will switch to Warren so that both of them are sitting at an easily ignorable 15% Oh yeah definitely that want this.
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Apr 24, 2019 18:53
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https://twitter.com/ForecasterEnten/status/1120870239770689536
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Apr 24, 2019 18:57
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Jeb wasn't a 77-year-old man who couldn't keep his hands to himself, and he wasn't quite as verbal-gaffe prone as Biden.
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Apr 24, 2019 19:04
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:Jeb wasn't a 77-year-old man who couldn't keep his hands to himself, and he wasn't quite as verbal-gaffe prone as Biden. I keep coming back to that one quote from that former Biden staffer about the day he announces being the best day he's gonna have. Joe's gonna peak way too early and there's no real room for him to gain, only to go down as everyone else brings the knives out. Can't wait to see the oppo start flowing 
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Apr 24, 2019 19:08
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So you're saying the crater is going to be twice as big.
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Apr 24, 2019 19:09
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bowser posted:I'm almost wondering if Warren is a safer bet to back just because she's going to be less screwed over by the media. I have no doubt they'd "but her DNA test" her non-stop to keep the horse race narrative going but they're legitimately afraid of Bernie and would gladly do everything they can to prevent him from winning. They'd much rather have four more years of "What outrageous thing did President Trump tweet today? Tune in at 6 to find out!" The media fluffed Bernie as an antiClinton strategy when they thought he could never win, it was only when he started shooting up in the polls that they started attacking him. If Warren got anywhere near the crown, they would absolutely use these same disingenuous "she's a racist who hates black people/she's a n*lover who wants RAPISTS and MURDERERS voting for your children's future" poo poo they're using against him. They have no principles it's all about protecting their corporate bosses.
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Apr 24, 2019 19:20
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Z. Autobahn posted:Sure is weird how it's always the young female questioners who get singled out for sustained leftist mockery and photo-trawling campaigns and not, you know, the openly fascist cop-worshippers I think that it's more a function of the fact that disingenuous rat-fuckers know that critiques like this are more effective if they are leveled by someone who is not a straight, white, male so they get their tokens to do their dirty work.
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Apr 24, 2019 19:21
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I really hate the Tweet thread format but this is worth it: https://twitter.com/aimeeterese/status/1119958887157747713
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Apr 24, 2019 19:26
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WampaLord posted:I really hate the Tweet thread format but this is worth it: You gotta do what the systems data says gotta do.
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Apr 24, 2019 19:28
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WampaLord posted:I really hate the Tweet thread format but this is worth it: "Smart" politics always boils down to spending money on bullshit to make worthless consultants a ton and then going with a lovely conservative solution.
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Apr 24, 2019 19:43
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Late to discussion on this, but The Harvard Undergraduate Centrist Society is comedy gold, the lowest-hanging fruit possible. It sounds like a bit from the Onion or something. If I'd never heard of them and I was trying to invent a fictional awful college politics club, well, honestly I'd probably base my first try on the stories I heard about Ted Cruz at Princeton, but if that was taken and I had to think of something else, I'd spit out "The Harvard Undergraduate Centrist Society" without a second thought. It's living satire. That cop-worshipping fascist kid deserves to be dunked on as much or more, certainly, but I really doubt there's anything in his online history as self-evidently funny as the Harvard Undergraduate Centrist Society, so that kind of gets in the way
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Apr 24, 2019 19:49
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https://twitter.com/SenSanders/status/1121095125445292032 ETA: lmao whoops https://twitter.com/cindymccain/status/1121117842277945344 WampaLord fucked around with this message at 19:57 on Apr 24, 2019 |
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Apr 24, 2019 19:54
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Yeah Neanderthal-brow's social media is probably just straight-up awful and not in a funny way, not they I'm opposed to people finding funny tweets of his if they exist. Selfish heirs and heiresses desperately trying to convince others/themselves that their supposedly enlightened politics aren't in reality driven by greed and callousness are hilarious tho
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Apr 24, 2019 19:56
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If anyone thinks the Harvard Centrist Society is anything other than College Republicans too ashamed to admit they are republicans then lol.
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Apr 24, 2019 20:06
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Matt makes the case Bernie would govern much more pragmatically than people give him credit for. And that the Democratic establishment should stop freaking out. https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1121036882886918144 This is a strong example of his pragmatism quote:The policy area on which he’s had the most practical influence is veterans issues, as he chaired the Senate Veterans Affairs Committee for a two-year span, during which Congress enacted substantive reform to the veterans health system. He also tries to argue that actually Liz has been more willing to stir up trouble than Bernie. I'm not sure I agree with that. I do remember Bernie doing an epic long fillibuster talk against one of Obama's proposals. But it did make me remember that Warren has shown she's willing to buck the establishment. 1. Her successfully thwarting Obama's choice for Undersecretary at Treasury. https://www.vox.com/2014/12/11/7376421/antonio-weiss 2. Fighting against the omnibus spending bill in 2014 to keep the government open, because it removed a financial regulation from Dodd-Frank https://www.vox.com/2014/12/11/7373831/swaps-pushout theblackw0lf fucked around with this message at 20:19 on Apr 24, 2019 |
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Apr 24, 2019 20:10
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Mind_Taker posted:If anyone thinks the Harvard Centrist Society is anything other than College Republicans too ashamed to admit they are republicans then lol. At least the College Republicans know that there's a grift out there they can glom onto. I can't even figure out what the Harvard Centrists are even trying to grift.
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Apr 24, 2019 20:12
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:At least the College Republicans know that there's a grift out there they can glom onto. I can't even figure out what the Harvard Centrists are even trying to grift. The only thing I could think of is that young women won't date republicans any more so uh "let's call ourselves centrists!" might help them get laid instead? Except it seems like many of these Harvard Centrists are women to begin with, and also many women at Harvard are likely regressive enough to actually like republican men. Either way they are definitely more deserving of our ridicule. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Apr 24, 2019 20:15
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Mind_Taker posted:The only thing I could think of is that young women won't date republicans any more so uh "let's call ourselves centrists!" might help them get laid instead? Maybe it's just a vehicle for Hot Take Elitism: "I'm so above all that politics, I'm a Centrist." anyone at Harvard has a gilded-platter life incoming anyway, if a few bad days on twitter are the worst thing they face, they'll cope by mopping their tears with spare money
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Apr 24, 2019 20:19
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Mind_Taker posted:If anyone thinks the Harvard Centrist Society is anything other than College Republicans too ashamed to admit they are republicans then lol. the evil doxxing in question was someone finding a picture of the town-hall girl literally smiling and posing with Mitch McConnell sooooooooooo yup Mind_Taker posted:The only thing I could think of is that young women won't date republicans any more so uh "let's call ourselves centrists!" might help them get laid instead? Their entire raison d'etre is bemoaning how victimized they are because other young people with good political opinions keep dunking on them all the time, of course they're gonna find coded classifications for themselves so they can continue being as activist as possible for regressive causes without facing social consequences
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Apr 24, 2019 20:19
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Mind_Taker posted:The only thing I could think of is that young women won't date republicans any more so uh "let's call ourselves centrists!" might help them get laid instead? 
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Apr 24, 2019 20:20
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theblackw0lf posted:Matt makes the case Bernie would govern much more pragmatically than people give him credit for. And that the Democratic establishment should stop freaking out. I don't think this is a good take on Bernie or on The Left, it's Matty being Matty, but if he can successfully get even one Establishment Person to settle down I'm ok with it
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Apr 24, 2019 20:21
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:Jeb wasn't a 77-year-old man who couldn't keep his hands to himself, and he wasn't quite as verbal-gaffe prone as Biden. Biden has already been through the grope news cycle and came out unscathed.
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Apr 24, 2019 20:23
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LinYutang posted:Biden has already been through the grope news cycle and came out unscathed. Biden isn’t even in the race yet, I think it’s early to dismiss his history of assault as having no impact on the race.
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Apr 24, 2019 20:27
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you laugh, it's a thing primarily among the DC lanyard set, but the sets "DC lanyard-toter" and "Ivy League undergraduate" have an awful lot of overlap
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Apr 24, 2019 20:34
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:At least the College Republicans know that there's a grift out there they can glom onto. I can't even figure out what the Harvard Centrists are even trying to grift. Their goal is to turn the Democrats into the party of the Koch Brothers, while the Republicans are the party of the Koch Brothers but more openly racist, so no matter who wins their trust funds are safe
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Apr 24, 2019 20:34
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https://twitter.com/Zebop/status/1121124816319320066 Fishook theory? What's that, lolololl
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Apr 24, 2019 20:37
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Like it's not that hard, their ideal politics is two parties that are exactly the same having debates about whose candidate speaks more languages or reads more Joyce, but in the absence of that their goal is white racists all voting for the party of free market fundamentalism and white racism, and everyone else voting for the party of free market fundamentalism and diversity because they have no where else to go. Mitch McConnell is single-handedly responsible for breaking every governmental norm in the country to pursue his agenda who is on tape saying his plan is to make the recession as damaging as possible in order to blame it on a Democrat whom by the way his buddies also smeared as a terrorist illegal alien from Kenya, yet they fangirl over him and chide progressives for incivility, it could not be any more transparent.
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Apr 24, 2019 20:38
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Oh my God, Eichenwald is Eichenwalding again: https://twitter.com/kurteichenwald/status/1121121354730885124
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Apr 24, 2019 20:39
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Majorian posted:https://twitter.com/Zebop/status/1121124816319320066 https://twitter.com/Zebop/status/1121125882729517056 right after that sanders writes "But a funny thing happened on the way to Election Day. I wasn't the spoiler, after all. The Democrat was." sanders lost by <4 percent and the democrat came in a distand third.
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Apr 24, 2019 20:44
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Majorian posted:Oh my God, Eichenwald is Eichenwalding again: Gonna be interested to see what sort of verboten anime porn he "accidentally" stumbles across this time.
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Apr 24, 2019 20:49
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Groovelord Neato posted:https://twitter.com/Zebop/status/1121125882729517056 Cradling joe biden in my arms, that these vicious blows fall upon my body rather than his
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Apr 24, 2019 20:54
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Captain_Maclaine posted:Gonna be interested to see what sort of verboten anime porn he "accidentally" stumbles across this time. I felt bad for the guy on that. Imagine thinking that anime porn was shameful in TYOOL 2019. He should've just owned it.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I felt bad for the guy on that. Imagine thinking that anime porn was shameful in TYOOL 2019. He should've just owned it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG1SMfe3VSE
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