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I understand the CCPs perspective, what I don't understtand is why its defended by people itt
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Apr 23, 2019 23:34
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I think Top City Home "the Russian" is a gimmick.
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Apr 23, 2019 23:43
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Top City Homo posted:So are boarding schools wrong or the barbed wire? both. I disagree with your framing of them as categorically dangerous separatists, and even if there is a right wing nationalist element - which I have no doubt there is - that doesn’t change that China has a complicated history with regards to its ethnic peoples and relations (the same as any country with a large number of ethnic groups and a long history of inter ethnic conflict) and we should be wary of a majority treating a minority as such. America put ethnic minorities in boarding schools designed to indoctrinate them too, it ended badly. “mistreating the Muslim minorities isn’t cool” doesn’t have to mean “therefore they should break off from China and form their own country.”
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Apr 23, 2019 23:52
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because the only "evidence" for "China is demolishing mosques" is from satellite images and conjecture, and the broader "China is throwing Uighurs into camps" talking points are coming from the NED and other US foreign policy sources if one has already made the leap from the Venezuela thread that the West is going to flat-out make complete falsifications to justify their agenda, why would China be any different?
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Apr 23, 2019 23:54
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gradenko_2000 posted:because the only "evidence" for "China is demolishing mosques" is from satellite images and conjecture, and the broader "China is throwing Uighurs into camps" talking points are coming from the NED and other US foreign policy sources I’m assuming that we’re viewing the Chinese government policy on Uighurs as coming from direct quotes of Chinese government officials and even by what they will publicly say they are doing, at face value, it’s not cool imo. But we randoms on a forum saying that aren’t the same as say, Republicans saying it and calling for sanctions.
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Apr 23, 2019 23:56
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AFancyQuestionMark posted:I understand the CCPs perspective, what I don't understtand is why its defended by people itt because they are communists and therefore correct
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Apr 24, 2019 00:23
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Lightning Knight posted:both. I disagree with your framing of them as categorically dangerous separatists, and even if there is a right wing nationalist element - which I have no doubt there is - that doesn’t change that China has a complicated history with regards to its ethnic peoples and relations (the same as any country with a large number of ethnic groups and a long history of inter ethnic conflict) and we should be wary of a majority treating a minority as such. Historically speaking, fascists have always used separatism as a tactic. Sudetenland, Croatia, Ukraine etc. First they demand autonomy then they demand language rights then they start ethnic cleansing. China may have a complicated history but I don't remember the last time China started a genocidal supremacist war against its ethnic groups. I remember the Japanese doing that but not the Chinese. Even their beef with Vietnam doesn't amount to the level of racial enmity of say the US with Mexico. What I am saying is that China is not America and we can be sensitive to racial mistreatment and also be wary of the white devil empire of making claims of civil rights abuses against their world rivals.
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Apr 24, 2019 01:58
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Top City Homo posted:I read about the denazification policies in the DDR. They worked very well. They weren’t implemented in the Baltics and the Ukraine and now it’s full of fascists
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Apr 24, 2019 02:06
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Amergin posted:Yeah, it was demolished because it was built illegally and not up to code. They did the same thing to a statue of Mao in Henan. Nothing to do with fighting religion. this is the exact reason given for the destruction of (some) mosques. so you're applying a double standard based on assumptions you're making due to a steady diet of western mass media. it's looking more and more likely the mosque that canadian law student who's positioning himself as xinjiang brown moses claimed was destroyed actually wasn't at all, by the way.
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Apr 24, 2019 02:15
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frankenfreak posted:lol The East is where most of our fascists are and neo-nazi and less radical far right parties get the most votes. they weren't there during the DDR
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Apr 24, 2019 02:36
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Top City Homo posted:they weren't there during the DDR I'm sure they were, they just worked in the party. R. Guyovich posted:this is the exact reason given for the destruction of (some) mosques. so you're applying a double standard based on assumptions you're making due to a steady diet of western mass media. Code violations are a well utilized way to gently caress with minority populations. And it'd help if we could get like, anything out of that region news-wise or image-wise. You'd think it would be easy to get a new photo of the mosque. It's a building, it doesn't move. e: do people hate BM in cspam because he does what any of us do (google a thing) but he also has establishment cred for it for some reason Grapplejack has issued a correction as of 03:23 on Apr 24, 2019 |
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Apr 24, 2019 03:19
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Top City Homo posted:Historically speaking, fascists have always used separatism as a tactic. Sudetenland, Croatia, Ukraine etc. First they demand autonomy then they demand language rights then they start ethnic cleansing. exactly if separatist extremists take power and establish fascist-natonalist state in western China then Han Chinese will be ethnically cleansed from their homes like the Russians in central asia even though many have lived there since tang dynasty ofc this thread doesn't care about the rights of ethnic chinese because of "yellow peril" western propaganda
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Apr 24, 2019 03:29
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Grapplejack posted:Code violations are a well utilized way to gently caress with minority populations. And it'd help if we could get like, anything out of that region news-wise or image-wise. You'd think it would be easy to get a new photo of the mosque. It's a building, it doesn't move. the mosque is in a small village well outside of hotan. not a populous tourism destination like kashgar. but there have been weibo posts and videos cut after march 2018 when it was supposedly demolished that show the building intact. and people hate brown moses because he's a fraud getting funds from gulf states and nato lol
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Apr 24, 2019 03:47
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Well China purposely distorts satellite imagery with an algorithm so its possible that caused the mistake.
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Apr 24, 2019 03:57
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did brown moses become a psyop and sell out?
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Apr 24, 2019 04:00
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Top City Homo posted:did brown moses become a psyop and sell out? after his site gave evidence about syria gas attacks that lead to the US bombing, he came into cspam and changed the syria thread title to "watch brown moses start a war!" to brag i guess dudes a psycho
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Apr 24, 2019 04:03
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Grapplejack posted:
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Apr 24, 2019 04:08
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:after his site gave evidence about syria gas attacks that lead to the US bombing, he came into cspam and changed the syria thread title to "watch brown moses start a war!" to brag i guess   wthhes like an uglier and fatter version of me
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Apr 24, 2019 04:31
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:after his site gave evidence about syria gas attacks that lead to the US bombing, he came into cspam and changed the syria thread title to "watch brown moses start a war!" to brag i guess why have comrade r guyvich not banned the CIA op yet?
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Apr 24, 2019 04:43
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Grapplejack posted:I'm sure they were, they just worked in the party. That's West Germany Say what you will about the Soviets, they despised the Nazis
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Apr 24, 2019 05:14
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Grapplejack posted:I'm sure they were, they just worked in the party. that is a bad take. the only complete denazification happened in the ddr. it was a thorough 40 year process. it never happened in the ukraine or the baltics and a bunch of former nazis worked in west germany
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Apr 24, 2019 06:03
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True, I don't actually know that much about German politics during the cold war. All I know is that closet fascists love authoritarian leadership positions and post-Stalin you could find plenty of those in Eastern Europe.
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Apr 24, 2019 06:38
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lol even in china thread western leftists cannot cease to worship soviet union!
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Apr 24, 2019 06:39
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Grapplejack posted:True, I don't actually know that much about German politics during the cold war. ok, well at least you can admi— Grapplejack posted:All I know is that closet fascists love authoritarian leadership positions and post-Stalin you could find plenty of those in Eastern Europe. hm
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Apr 24, 2019 06:45
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While the UK dithers over social care, China is starting to deliverquote:In the past three or four years the Chinese care sector has seen explosive growth in services from homecare to retirement communities. One example is a network of more than 200 care hubs that has been established across Shanghai.
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Apr 24, 2019 07:38
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China facts I think of often: Under Mao the Chinese people were statistically immortal as the average life expectancy went up more than a year per year.
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Apr 24, 2019 08:24
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anyone notice typo has dropped articles from his posts
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Apr 24, 2019 08:54
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Typo posted:the
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Apr 24, 2019 09:01
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but yeah he's obviously drunk posting & that's a ban
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Apr 24, 2019 09:04
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Typo posted:lol even in china thread western leftists cannot cease to worship soviet union!
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Apr 24, 2019 10:24
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Grapplejack posted:
this bellingcat contributor keeps trying to do weird gotcha's of corbyn https://twitter.com/magnitsky/status/1120929399593951232
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Apr 24, 2019 11:38
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lol only because Chinese are realizing if they sue every set of adults who refuse to take care of their rear end in a top hat parents then they'd have an uprising on their hands.
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Apr 24, 2019 14:53
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Jose posted:this bellingcat contributor keeps trying to do weird gotcha's of corbyn this logic owns https://mobile.twitter.com/bat211/status/1120972142210953217
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Apr 24, 2019 15:01
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Typo posted:lol even in china thread western leftists cannot cease to worship soviet union! look pal they made some very cool seaplanes
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Apr 24, 2019 16:27
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Modest Mao posted:but yeah he's obviously drunk posting & that's a ban someone get this snitch out of my sight
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Apr 24, 2019 16:34
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Top City Homo posted:they weren't there during the DDR 
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Apr 24, 2019 20:11
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since we cannot for some reason stop discussing the EUROPEAN East bloc in the CHINA thread, I personally like Romania the most out of the European Socialist Republics
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Apr 24, 2019 20:29
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The only DDR I know is Dance Dance Revolution.
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Apr 25, 2019 02:01
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frankenfreak posted:Yes, all that sprung into existence as soon as people put the first cracks in the wall and not because the GDR did nothing to combat underground neo-nazism because that would be admitting failure as an antifascist state. in the absence of an organized left immiserated people DO turn to fascism, do you have any more incredible insights to share
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Apr 25, 2019 02:08
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Typo posted:since we cannot for some reason stop discussing the EUROPEAN East bloc in the CHINA thread, I personally like Romania the most out of the European Socialist Republics I'm a Belabro
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Apr 25, 2019 02:12
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