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Pixelante
Mar 16, 2006

You people will by God act like a team, or at least like people who know each other, or I'll incinerate the bunch of you here and now.

just another posted:

I'd like to know more about those numbers. Is it typically low incidence/high need students (e.g. violent behavior, students who need help toileting or feeding, etc.) or are schools sending students with a mild intellectual disability home because the EA called in sick?

Both, but the former is the bigger problem. Often the school has mostly given up on trying to accommodate a kid and they're down to an hour or less a day in class, and even that time is segregated from the rest of their peers. The Minister of Education has said he does not condone those choices, but sometimes it's hard to get the right support in place. We frequently advocate to get Behavioural Consultants in to figure out what kind of communication or help a kid needs to keep from exploding.

The BCEdAccess exclusion tracker is gathering a lot of information, though it's more anecdotal than statistical.

quote:

I'm guessing it's the former and the decision is primarily based on student and/or classroom safety, but I know how the Ministry and it's messengers are talking about it, and they're using it as a cudgel to attack the union.

I'd be interested to hear more about what's going on with that end of things. I don't know much about union/ministry relations.

Pixelante fucked around with this message at 20:24 on Apr 24, 2019

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just another
Oct 16, 2009

these dead towns that make the maps wrong now
Not so keen to explicitly link a name to my 10 year old SA account because there's probably some cringey stuff in my post history, but I'll try to whip up a concise email for you. Or just share out to the thread if there's interest, but it's kinda inside baseball-y.

Falstaff
Apr 27, 2008

I have a kind of alacrity in sinking.

just another posted:

Not so keen to explicitly link a name to my 10 year old SA account because there's probably some cringey stuff in my post history, but I'll try to whip up a concise email for you. Or just share out to the thread if there's interest, but it's kinda inside baseball-y.

I'd be interested if you're willing to share. Just starting my teaching career now (finished my final evaluation today, in fact), and this is a topic of great interest to me.

DynamicSloth
Jul 30, 2006

"Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth."
https://twitter.com/TheCurrentCBC/status/1121140431935422465?s=19

edit:

The CBC was a mistake.

DynamicSloth fucked around with this message at 04:28 on Apr 25, 2019

Silver Spooner
Jun 10, 2013

Pinterest Mom posted:

There's no rule that says you can't just deal with some MLAs from the other parties on an ad-hoc basis, but party discipline tends to be very strong in Canada. In practice, you can only deal with other parties as entities, not with individual members.

I feel like with such a small legislature PEI would be an ideal place for this though - more individual collaboration and less large blocs in legislature.

Ontario Ed News: redundancy notices are coming down for boards all across Ontario and yours truly got one :(

Risky Bisquick
Jan 18, 2008

PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.



Buglord

Silver Spooner posted:

I feel like with such a small legislature PEI would be an ideal place for this though - more individual collaboration and less large blocs in legislature.

Ontario Ed News: redundancy notices are coming down for boards all across Ontario and yours truly got one :(

How much seniority did you have? That really sucks, I hope you find work in the meantime and don’t give up on education. Would you still be on the LTO list?

Danaru
Jun 5, 2012

何 ??

Already gone, what did it say?

Pleads
Jun 9, 2005

pew pew pew


Danaru posted:

Already gone, what did it say?

Did Jasmeet Singh reveal his childhood assault for political gain?

vincentpricesboner
Sep 3, 2006

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Pleads posted:

Did Jasmeet Singh reveal his childhood assault for political gain?

Are you seriously anti-survivors telling their story if they happen to be a public figure?

edit : im dumb

also I hate how 99% of the time a tweet is posted in this thread its already deleted because of how quick twitter regret is

vincentpricesboner fucked around with this message at 22:01 on Apr 24, 2019

Normy
Jul 1, 2004

Do I Krushchev?


He's paraphrasing the deleted CBC tweet.

Danaru
Jun 5, 2012

何 ??

Pleads posted:

Did Jasmeet Singh reveal his childhood assault for political gain?

Holy god drat that's loving pathetic :cripes:

littleorv
Jan 29, 2011

Burn CBC to the ground

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.
Who was on the byline?

Hexigrammus
May 22, 2006

Cheech Wizard stories are clean, wholesome, reflective truths that go great with the marijuana munchies and a blow job.

littleorv posted:

Burn CBC to the ground

Most of the time I will defend CBC Radio to the death but that tweet looked like it came from The Current, so, yeah.

That's some cuttin' edge journalism there, Lou.

Chicken
Apr 23, 2014

infernal machines posted:

Who was on the byline?

I believe it was the official The Current account.

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

Silver Spooner posted:

I feel like with such a small legislature PEI would be an ideal place for this though - more individual collaboration and less large blocs in legislature.

Ontario Ed News: redundancy notices are coming down for boards all across Ontario and yours truly got one :(

That's probably true! Nunavut is barely smaller than PEI and runs on consensus government.

And apparently the Green leader is the PC leader's dentist :v:

Silver Spooner
Jun 10, 2013

Risky Bisquick posted:

How much seniority did you have? That really sucks, I hope you find work in the meantime and don’t give up on education. Would you still be on the LTO list?

I have two years, there was 154 cuts and I’m at 116. I figure after retirements and surplus I’ve got a good chance of being recalled but I’m in the twist until then.

Pixelante
Mar 16, 2006

You people will by God act like a team, or at least like people who know each other, or I'll incinerate the bunch of you here and now.

Falstaff posted:

I'd be interested if you're willing to share. Just starting my teaching career now (finished my final evaluation today, in fact), and this is a topic of great interest to me.

Godspeed, noble goon. I have a lot of respect for what teachers need to cope with. Please try to be patient and kind with parents of kids with disabilities--they're fighting battles you can't see every single day. A lot of them are carrying things like PTSD from their experience of trying to keep their family safe.

PittTheElder
Feb 13, 2012

:geno: Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

There's some sort of crazy irony that in the PEI referendum, MMP won in a majority of ridings and that doesn't matter.

just another
Oct 16, 2009

these dead towns that make the maps wrong now

Falstaff posted:

I'd be interested if you're willing to share. Just starting my teaching career now (finished my final evaluation today, in fact), and this is a topic of great interest to me.
Liberal Rule
So the recent Liberal era of BC education was not a happy one. In 2002, language governing class size and composition ratios was stripped from the collective agreement by fiat. Class size and composition language was meant to do two things: one, it helped restrain teacher workload issues by setting class size limits, as well as caps on the number of special need students per classroom; and two, it set a minimum floor for services to be provided by school districts to students with special needs. The result of stripping this language was that school districts were able to hire fewer teachers, create bigger classrooms, and provide fewer services to special needs students.

As well, during this period, certain special education categories were defunded. If a student receives the appropriate testing and is deemed to fit the criteria for a funded category, then that student’s designation obligates the Ministry to provide additional funding to the student’s district. It isn’t perfect, and it creates its own perverse incentives, but it provides a direct link between a student’s identified needs and the school district’s funding. After certain categories were defunded, there was a significant drop in the number of students testing into them. There was simply no longer an incentive to test for certain Spec. Ed. diagnoses. You would think it doesn’t matter because needs are needs, but in a climate of scarcity, where testing slots are few and far between, you end up making a lot of “lesser of two evils” decisions.

I suppose you could make the claim that the designations decreased because they were artificially inflated to begin with. Given that designations are affirmed on a preponderance of evidence, usually including a Psychoeducational Assessment delivered by an accredited educational psychologist, I’m not really persuaded by that idea. What it really comes down to is that, if you have a student you suspect of being Learning Disabled (unfunded), and another student you suspect of having a Mild Intellectual disability (funded), and you’ve only got one slot with the educational psychologist in this round of testing, then you probably go with the student whose diagnosis is more likely to result in additional EA support or specialist teachers.

Finally, during the Liberal years, the system saw massive reductions in funding as a percentage of GDP. Consequently, BC teachers are among the lowest paid in the country, and BC students receive fewer dollars in funding.

The BCTF took the BC Government to court and eventually won back their class size & composition language. This necessitated a massive and ongoing teacher hiring spree. However, the government has not yet increased funding by any notable amount above what was required by BCTF’s court win. Whenever Horgan or Rob Fleming crow about how much more the NDP are spending on education these days, it’s kind of like an white collar criminal crowing about how much they volunteer after being court ordered to do community service.

The Prevalence Model
I’m just going to copy and paste parts of a BCTF articles on it:

quote:

[Prevalence funding is] funding allocated via predictive, statistical modelling based on population-wide prevalence rates instead. Such a model already exists in some provinces. For example, in Ontario, a large part of special education funding is distributed according to a “black box” statistical model that takes older provincial prevalence rates and tries to guess how many children in a given district will have special needs, based on chosen demographic information such as family income.”

Don't let the word “predictive” fool you. From a policy-making perspective, predictive funding creates new pressures and inequities. It doesn't mean meeting students' needs.

- In the current system, identification plays a key role in special education funding in classrooms and schools, despite funding ultimately not following the student. Under a predictive system, no link exists between students and funds. Greater pressure to ration funds results. No targeted funding means kids lose out and teachers burn out.
- Depending on how good the predictive model is, some districts will win, others will lose relative to their actual needs.
- A lot of identification will stop. If districts don't need to identify students to get funding, then parents with the means to get identifications will do so. It's possible their children will get services and others will not, perpetuating further inequities.
- We know teachers are already incredible advocates for getting services and supports for their students with special needs, but they will have to become even greater advocates.

Ontario and Nova Scotia already use statistical modelling to allocate funding for inclusive education. Economist Hugh Mackenzie summarizes major concerns in a report to the Elementary Teachers' Federation of Ontario:

“The breaking of the link between funding and needs has had profound implications for students, parents, teachers, and special education administrators. For students and parents there is no longer a link between needs and funding that can serve as a guide to available services. For teachers, there is no longer any link between special education needs identified in a classroom setting and additional resources to address those needs. The role of special education administrators has been transformed from one of enabling access to needed services to a gatekeeping role of rationing scarce resources and cost containment.”
https://www.bctf.ca/publications/NewsmagArticle.aspx?id=51777

Can it work? Sure. I think some districts will do quite well. Districts with great leadership will probably benefit from the flexibility it affords. But I work in a district with lots of poverty and generational trauma, and with students whose parents are (by and large) ineffective advocates (and I say that without any judgment). We already fight tooth and nail for the supports we do have, and in my district at least, thinks still haven't actually improved in terms of class size & composition since the SCC win. We continue to lose EAs. There is no way we do better under prevalence than we do now.

And, they haven't given any indication that funding will increase, or that the statistical models will take into account regional variations or needs (e.g. how much harder it is to get an autism diagnosis when you live in Prince George versus Richmond).

From the Funding Model Report to Collective Bargaining
So this funding model report comes out and it recommends moving to a prevalence model. In the report, the collective bargaining rights and the integrity of the BCTF is attacked. The report claims that a prevalence model is more equitable and inclusive, and it criticizes class size & composition language as exclusionary and harmful. The class size and composition ratios are repeatedly described as "restrictive" and as a source of frustration. It has lines like "students in some school districts have access to greater supports than their counterparts in other school districts", but these are meant to shame districts with superior provisions. It's implied that students are better off in districts with weaker composition language. All of this is asserted without evidence and none of it matches the experience on the ground.

Now, from a narrow point of view, the Ministry is correct. The ratios do occasionally result in exclusions, and Inclusion consultants like Shelly Moore carry water for the Ministry on this point. But what I want to reiterate is that the ratios set a baseline for student services. Districts are always free to lobby the Ministry for more money, or to simply hire more EAs or specialist teachers by prioritizing such things in their annual budgets. Absent composition language, special needs students have a weaker claim to supports, classes suffer from being too large or having ability gaps too unmanageable, and any subsequent dysfunction is treated as the failure on the part of the teacher. It is my firm belief that any act of exclusion - of a Spec. Ed. student being sent home or told not to come to school - represents a failure by the district to comply with their own (mutually agreed-to) collective agreement language, and not a moral failure of the BCTF for fighting for such ratios in the first place.

This funding model review began under the Liberals but was published under the NDP, and so the anti-union rhetoric was an extra hard slap in the face. The reaction was strong enough that its implementation was delayed by at least a year. However, implementation working groups are ongoing. At the recent BCTF annual general meeting, we debated pretty extensively whether or not we want to remain at the table for these working groups, given that their goal is implementation and not a new funding model review or proposal. My faction said no, walk away, let's not be complicit in this, there's other ways to pressure the Ministry; the other faction said there was greater value in staying at the table and trying to mitigate the damage. The other faction won, and so the BCTF remains at the table. :10bux: says its used against us when the prevalence model goes ahead, but whatever.

2019 also saw the start of this round of contract negotiations between the BCTF and the Ministry. We're still not allowed to talk about what's been tabled, but I will say that it looks more and more like the NDP have let the Liberals' bureaucrats continue with business as usual, because between the funding model report and what's happening at the bargaining table, the Libs may as well still be in power.

just another fucked around with this message at 04:07 on Apr 25, 2019

DynamicSloth
Jul 30, 2006

"Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth."

Danaru posted:

Already gone, what did it say?

RealityWarCriminal
Aug 10, 2016

:o:
A book released to coincide with an election? Why I never. Reginald, fetch the rolls royce, we're leaving.

apatheticman
May 13, 2003

Wedge Regret

Reality Winter posted:

A book released to coincide with an election? Why I never. Reginald, fetch the rolls royce, we're leaving.

The Audacity! (of hope)

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
SRW Fanatic




Should've waited until he was dead to release the book, then there's no way it was timed to coincide with anything and he won't see any of the money so you know there were no ulterior motives.

UnknownMercenary
Nov 1, 2011

I LIKE IT
WAY WAY TOO LOUD


More ways Doug is turbofucking this province https://twitter.com/fatimabsyed/status/1121393279604490241?s=19

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

Still better than android clock

Person whose job it is to tell the government when it's doing wrong? Oh yeah you knew he was going.

ARACHTION
Mar 10, 2012

Thanks for the BC education effort post. I’m a BC teacher working in Québec and this served as a good catch-up on what’s going on before moving back.

Pixelante
Mar 16, 2006

You people will by God act like a team, or at least like people who know each other, or I'll incinerate the bunch of you here and now.

Thank you. This must have taken you some time to assemble. I'm still interested in connecting if you ever feel comfortable emailing me--we might be able to help each other out. I'm also in the E/N Discord pretty often.

just another
Oct 16, 2009

these dead towns that make the maps wrong now

Pixelante posted:

Thank you. This must have taken you some time to assemble. I'm still interested in connecting if you ever feel comfortable emailing me--we might be able to help each other out. I'm also in the E/N Discord pretty often.
I probably will. Definitely want to build capacity to push back on this as hard as we can, especially if it goes through. How do I get on the E/N Discord?

Not sure how reputable People's Voice is but they just put out a good write-up of the situation today. Some key points I missed:

quote:

“... From the outset, unfortunately, the [funding model] review process [that recommended prevalence] has appeared to have serious flaws. For starters, Fleming appointed a review panel of senior bureaucrats to conduct a funding-formula review but didn’t include any representation from the BCTF, the B.C. School Trustees Association, or parent groups on the panel. Although senior bureaucrats have vast knowledge and experience, they tend to get to where they are by not rocking any boats or telling those in power things they don’t want to hear…

“The review ignored the biggest issue of all: there isn’t enough money to go around. Full stop. Spending months trying to figure out how to reslice a too-small pie will only create winners and losers. Instead, they should have done a review to determine what it would actually cost to provide optimal learning conditions and opportunities for all students.”
http://peoplesvoice.ca/2019/04/24/bc-government-puts-special-needs-students-at-risk/

Nine of Eight
Apr 28, 2011


LICK IT OFF, AND PUT IT BACK IN
Dinosaur Gum
Memes du jeudi pour gaspiller sa paye


From France: Name this repressive shithole.


Right wing shock jock radios stations from Quebec City have the nickname “garbage radio”



Se partir une page de memes en 2017 remembers to publish content after a long hiatus



Baby boomers react: the new Canada food guide



(Old content). La Meute and their “impressive” turnout

Mr. Apollo
Nov 8, 2000

Pixelante posted:

Godspeed, noble goon. I have a lot of respect for what teachers need to cope with. Please try to be patient and kind with parents of kids with disabilities--they're fighting battles you can't see every single day. A lot of them are carrying things like PTSD from their experience of trying to keep their family safe.
My dad "taught" (supervised the teaching assistants is a better description) profoundly mentally and physically disabled kids for a few years. He had to stop because he said it was too depressing seeing what the kids and their parents had to deal with every day.

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

Nine of Eight posted:

Memes du jeudi pour gaspiller sa paye


From France: Name this repressive shithole.


Right wing shock jock radios stations from Quebec City have the nickname “garbage radio”



Se partir une page de memes en 2017 remembers to publish content after a long hiatus



Baby boomers react: the new Canada food guide



(Old content). La Meute and their “impressive” turnout


Here's one from English Canada

Pixelante
Mar 16, 2006

You people will by God act like a team, or at least like people who know each other, or I'll incinerate the bunch of you here and now.

just another posted:

I probably will. Definitely want to build capacity to push back on this as hard as we can, especially if it goes through. How do I get on the E/N Discord?

I think this will work.

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.
Aaaaahahahaha

https://mobile.twitter.com/CBCToron...3D65%23lastpost

Doug Ford finally hosed with the wrong group

infernal machines fucked around with this message at 21:20 on Apr 25, 2019

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane
"I never thought Doug Ford would eat my face!" cries miserable old gently caress who voted for Doug Ford Eating People's Faces Party.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
Amber alert out for a missing kid in Peel.

vincentpricesboner
Sep 3, 2006

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Arcsquad12 posted:

Amber alert out for a missing kid in Peel.

And found safe. I'm sure thousands complained about it on facebook and called their local police about it as well.

Entropic
Feb 21, 2007

patriarchy sucks

SilverMike posted:

gently caress, that looks almost as awful as what it's trying to lie about.

If they want an actual "celebrating gay culture in Canada" coin, it should be just a normal loonie but instead of the Queen on the back it has Scott Thompson in drag as the Queen.

Tsyni
Sep 1, 2004
Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/TorontoStar/status/1121445035440996352?s=19

Ford train keeps rolling. It's insane to me that they cut these chump change things that actually have a good positive effect, but can't raise taxes half a point and generate hundreds of times the revenue. Can't do that. Never raise taxes and keep on going until zero.

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vincentpricesboner
Sep 3, 2006

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
Even potentially worse than the tree funding being hosed is this part that seems to be glanced over in the news.

"The government also recently cut funding for conservation authorities’ flood management programs in half"

Uhh, has anyone been following the news lately? WTF ford.

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