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Bruceski
Aug 21, 2007

The tools of a hero mean nothing without a solid core.

Omnicrom posted:

I played War of the Chosen recently. After I got Darklance and Darkclaw I actually had my main Sharpshooter sit out a couple of missions late in the run because she was so good she made them boring.

Next time I play WotC I might leave those folks alive on purpose. That expansion needs some sort of accelerated victory, because after you take care of their ability to muck things up that stuff's balanced around the endgame's just sitting there overpowered waiting for research to finish so you can end it.

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Dead Reckoning
Sep 13, 2011

Bruceski posted:

the endgame's just sitting there overpowered waiting for research to finish so you can end it.
And yet some of you are still voting for sectopod breakdown over codex brain. :v:

Jen X
Sep 29, 2014

To bring light to the darkness, whether that darkness be ignorance, injustice, apathy, or stagnation.

Dead Reckoning posted:

And yet some of you are still voting for sectopod breakdown over codex brain. :v:

voting to intentionally cripple the LPer is dumb

Dead Reckoning
Sep 13, 2011
They have powered armor and plasma weapons, they're fine. Is staying on the difficulty curve instead of coasting your idea of crippling them? They haven't even tackled Blacksite II yet, which most folks do with tier 2 weapons & armor. They're already steamrolling encounters, they're going to keep using the frost grenades, they aren't going to train up a SPARK, and running into a Gatekeeper before the Psi Gate mission really deflates what is otherwise a cool and creepy moment. Plus, actually doing the plot will relieve some of their Avatar anxiety.

Nordick posted:

Kinda out of the blue they released this DLC called Tactical Legacy Pack for WotC, which had a whole bunch of neat stuff, like a series of mini-campaigns. But the real star of that pack was yet another soundtrack, and by God is it a good loving soundtrack. Notably, it took some of the iconic tunes from the OG UFO and remade them in glorious fashion. And apart from that, the new original music in the pack is loving :krad: as well.

Sorry for going off on a bit of a tangent, but I just loving love that soundtrack.

Bruceski posted:

No need to buy the DLC to jam out either, they put the soundtrack on Bandcamp. https://2kgamesmusic.bandcamp.com/album/xcom-legacy-original-soundtrack
That is indeed a pretty good soundtrack.

Dead Reckoning fucked around with this message at 03:57 on Apr 27, 2019

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

But I say fuck the rain.

Grimey Drawer

GeneX posted:

voting to intentionally cripple the LPer is dumb
It isn't going to cripple them, though. They got endgame stuff already, it's not like not having the t3 drone hinders them in any way.

eating only apples
Dec 12, 2009

Shall we dance?
You're really not seeing archons, huh? I think you've only seen one so far and usually they're crawling up my rear end constantly.

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

But I say fuck the rain.

Grimey Drawer
Detectopod noooooooooooooooooooo!

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

Shocked I tell you

GeneX posted:

voting to intentionally cripple the LPer is dumb

But it's not going to?

Dr Christmas
Apr 24, 2010

Berninating the one percent,
Berninating the Wall St.
Berninating all the people
In their high rise penthouses!
🔥😱🔥🔫👴🏻
They're a bit short on supplies at the moment, so whether they research new toys or research the plot, they won't be able to buy new toys right away.

I often find myself so fixated on researching upgrades that I do plot stuff all at the end, and it feels a bit awkward.

Dr Christmas fucked around with this message at 00:54 on Apr 28, 2019

Bifauxnen
Aug 12, 2010

Curses! Foiled again!


In my last good run, I somehow managed to time or balance everything well enough that I hit a whole bunch of plot points and facilities in a short frame of time, and got the avatar counter back down to ZERO. That was a pretty relaxing endgame, haha

Kinda wish there was some special easter egg plot point or something for pulling that off. :cheeky:

Qrr
Aug 14, 2015


Dr Christmas posted:

I often find myself so fixated on researching upgrades that I do plot stuff all at the end, and it feels a bit awkward.

Same. I'm not a huge fan of how the plot stuff is set up, because it really does encourage just putting it off while your soldiers become demigods. Heck, I often wait on the advent blacksite for a crazy long time because there's just not much reason to do it besides avatar project reduction and, y'know, winning the game.

Natural 20
Sep 17, 2007

Wearer of Compasses. Slayer of Gods. Champion of the Colosseum. Heart of the Void.
Saviour of Hallownest.

Akratic Method
Mar 9, 2013

It's going to pay off eventually--I'm sure of it.

Any day now.

Petition to name Dr Funk's weapon Parliament.

Dead Reckoning
Sep 13, 2011
Bop Gun.

jng2058
Jul 17, 2010

We have the tools, we have the talent!





NOW you guys are starting to see why we wanted you to rush Psionics! Partially because of how long it takes a Psi-Op to grow into maturity, but mostly because of how OP some of the Psi-ops stuff you can get really is!

Dead Reckoning
Sep 13, 2011
A few notes:
-The clone ability (and, IIRC, Codex teleport) do not trigger overwatch.
-The edge of the fog of war behaves in strange ways. A unit that moves exactly one square into visibility will not trigger overwatch; the shooter has to see them step from one visible tile to another. I don't know how it works if they step out of visibility, since the AI is so aggro. Also, sometimes squares on the edge of visibility can be revealed without triggering pod activation, as you've seen.
-Shanty Pete couldn't be disarmed because he procced untouchable with his overwatch kill.
-Guardian is amazing and I always choose it on specialists.

Bremen
Jul 20, 2006

Our God..... is an awesome God
The reason the Archons were kind of popping in and out of visibility is that the game gives you visibility around the objective, but it's kind of finicky over whether it shows enemies or not. You weren't in range to see them with your actual soldiers for most of the mission.

ikanreed
Sep 25, 2009

I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!

Dead Reckoning posted:

A few notes:
-The clone ability (and, IIRC, Codex teleport) do not trigger overwatch.
-The edge of the fog of war behaves in strange ways. A unit that moves exactly one square into visibility will not trigger overwatch; the shooter has to see them step from one visible tile to another. I don't know how it works if they step out of visibility, since the AI is so aggro. Also, sometimes squares on the edge of visibility can be revealed without triggering pod activation, as you've seen.
-Shanty Pete couldn't be disarmed because he procced untouchable with his overwatch kill.
-Guardian is amazing and I always choose it on specialists.

There's one programmed case where they drop the aggression step out of visibility: if they're the last member of activated pod and there's another another inactive pod on the map and they can approach it without being flanked, they will run away and join it..

May not apply to bosslike mobs like sectopods

Dead Reckoning
Sep 13, 2011
I know that, but I've never encountered a situation where I had an enemy who met those criteria, and was on the last square of visibility such that if they took a step away they would enter the fog of war, and a soldier on overwatch. So I don't know if the overwatch shooter just has to see the square the enemy is exiting, or the square that they're stepping to as well.

vorebane
Feb 2, 2009

"I like Ur and Kavodel and Enki being nice to people for some reason."

Wrong Voter amongst wrong voters
I think the Fancy Dress Party would be enjoyed by Nat, YST and the thread.

SirSamVimes
Jul 21, 2008

~* Challenge *~


Catching up on the videos and I find it kind of hilarious that Nat and York are talking about how they don't know what they'd do without the frost grenade and the bolt caster when they were actually angry about accidentally enabling the DLC that gave it to them.

eating only apples
Dec 12, 2009

Shall we dance?

eating only apples posted:

You're really not seeing archons, huh? I think you've only seen one so far and usually they're crawling up my rear end constantly.

Spoke too soooon


That faceoff overwatch combo was really, really cool.

To make up for it I hope that enemy unknown is His Maj. Just so you guys don't have it too easy.

Mordja
Apr 26, 2014

Hell Gem
I <3 Face/off. Pistol Sharpshooter is my favourite Sharpshooter just for how stylin' it is.

Bruceski
Aug 21, 2007

The tools of a hero mean nothing without a solid core.

Mordja posted:

I <3 Face/off. Pistol Sharpshooter is my favourite Sharpshooter just for how stylin' it is.

Sharpshooter is one of the trees where the two branches play very differently. Sniper's doing big hits from across the map, Gunslinger's cosplaying Revolver Ocelot.

Dead Reckoning
Sep 13, 2011
I wouldn't say that gunslinger sharpshooters are better than sniper sharpshooters, but they're certainly viable. Being able to shoot the same target five times in one turn can be devastating in some scenarios.

Omnicrom
Aug 3, 2007
Snorlax Afficionado


Dead Reckoning posted:

I wouldn't say that gunslinger sharpshooters are better than sniper sharpshooters, but they're certainly viable. Being able to shoot the same target five times in one turn can be devastating in some scenarios.

Guess what I used to smoke sectopods? I really couldn't tell you which is more nutso, Darklance or Darkclaw.

Dead Reckoning
Sep 13, 2011
I preferred Reapers with expanded magazines, blood trail, needle, armor shred, banish for my one-turn high damage nuke.

FoolyCharged
Oct 11, 2012

Cheating at a raffle? I sentence you to 1 year in jail! No! Two years! Three! Four! Five years! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah!
Somebody call for an ant?

Omnicrom posted:

Guess what I used to smoke sectopods? I really couldn't tell you which is more nutso, Darklance or Darkclaw.

darkclaw + blue screen rounds is so comically broken. the other two chosen drop absolute junk compared to the hunter.

Natural 20
Sep 17, 2007

Wearer of Compasses. Slayer of Gods. Champion of the Colosseum. Heart of the Void.
Saviour of Hallownest.

Bruceski
Aug 21, 2007

The tools of a hero mean nothing without a solid core.

Bruceski posted:

So how many new alien encounters is that now where it can be summed up as "that guy looked nasty, I wonder what he was going to do before he died?"

Loel
Jun 4, 2012

"For the Emperor."

There was a terrible noise.
There was a terrible silence.



Brave lil Gatekeeper, tried so hard

Bruceski
Aug 21, 2007

The tools of a hero mean nothing without a solid core.

Sadly they will always destroy the Gatekeepers as soon as they show up, and so never discover that the alien orb just wants to give hugs.

Lprsti99
Apr 7, 2011

Everything's coming up explodey!

Pillbug

Loel posted:

Brave lil Gatekeeper, tried so hard

:cripes: Every single time they run across a new nasty, I think they're gonna finally get their comeuppance.

Omnicrom
Aug 3, 2007
Snorlax Afficionado


I love using Gatekeepers whenever they show up in the daily challenges. I'm not good at those challenges, but I love Gatekeepers.

Loel
Jun 4, 2012

"For the Emperor."

There was a terrible noise.
There was a terrible silence.



Lprsti99 posted:

:cripes: Every single time they run across a new nasty, I think they're gonna finally get their comeuppance.

Maybe Archon King will do it :v:

Im really impressed by their play though. Very methodical by the numbers.

Im much more risk taking-y :v:

Dead Reckoning
Sep 13, 2011

GeneX posted:

why the hell have you decided to cripple yourself

GeneX posted:

I think crippling yourself is dumb

GeneX posted:

voting to intentionally cripple the LPer is dumb

<LPers one-turn a Gatekeeper>

:crossarms:

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

Shocked I tell you
As far as I know the Codex data is the last Shadow Chamber thing.

Dead Reckoning
Sep 13, 2011

MonsterEnvy posted:

As far as I know the Codex data is the last Shadow Chamber thing.
Nope, still have Recovered ADVENT Stasis Suit, Psi Gate, and Avatar Autopsy to go. This is why I was suggesting they get started on the plot earlier: there's still a ton of it left.

Dr Christmas
Apr 24, 2010

Berninating the one percent,
Berninating the Wall St.
Berninating all the people
In their high rise penthouses!
🔥😱🔥🔫👴🏻
Codex data is the last thing that'll lead to a new objective that'll reduce Avatar progress, with the stasis suit, portal, and Avatar autopsy just unlocking the final mission.

Lprsti99 posted:

:cripes: Every single time they run across a new nasty, I think they're gonna finally get their comeuppance.

Unless they use their important items beforehand, I don't think the surprise Avatar will give them much trouble either

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Jen X
Sep 29, 2014

To bring light to the darkness, whether that darkness be ignorance, injustice, apathy, or stagnation.

Dead Reckoning posted:

<LPers one-turn a Gatekeeper>

:crossarms:

Sure? Voting on intentionally poor choices is still dumb

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