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tagesschau: Sep 1, 2006; Guten Abend, meine Damen und Herren.

Yeah, diverting water onto neighbors' property is a Very Bad Idea.

# ? Apr 26, 2019 17:00

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flakeloaf: Feb 26, 2003; Still better than android clock

The tragedy of the commons, that situation that humans reliably identify and negotiate correctly

# ? Apr 26, 2019 17:01

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

tagesschau posted:

Yeah, diverting water onto neighbors' property is a Very Bad Idea.

You really do want to leave this to the municipality, because at least when they do it and someone's septic tank backs up into the house and another's foundation is completely washed out, they have insurance for these sorts of things.

# ? Apr 26, 2019 17:05

Arivia: Mar 17, 2011

Raenir Salazar posted:

First of all, unlike most boomers my parents never intended to sell the house, their home business is there too and basically intended to live their forever and then for one of us kids to take it and keep it "afterwards"; the constructions/improvements were made for their own quality of living and for us/their grand children later; and looking at the pittance being potentially offered for the buyout anything affordable would be a massively disappointing and depressing step down in quality of life for them.

We couldn't give a flying gently caress about "value", if we could we'd keep that house in our family like we're landed gentry aristocrats surveying our vast tracks of swampland beaver habitat subjects for basically forever if we could just as a massive gently caress you to the town that wants to develop our swamp land that we like keeping as swampland because the beavers, muskrats, mooses, raccoons (we kept a whole family of raccoons as pets for a while), bats, various birds and bears make better neighbours and we like conserving nature; we've basically done the equivalent of lighting the land value of our street on fire ourselves and the neighbours haaaaaaate us for it and gently caress em'.

And gently caress you.

If you're deliberately keeping swampland around your house without building flood management issues you kind of deserve what you get for the floods because YOU'RE INTENTIONALLY LIVING WHERE THE FLOODS NATURALLY GO.

# ? Apr 26, 2019 17:07

Health Services: Feb 27, 2009

Swamps and marshlands will help mitigate floods overall, though?

# ? Apr 26, 2019 17:34

Arivia: Mar 17, 2011

Health Services posted:

Swamps and marshlands will help mitigate floods overall, though?

Oh absolutely. They're great to have. Just you can't complain about the water coming to you if you're intentionally living in the middle of where the water naturally goes.

# ? Apr 26, 2019 17:36

cowofwar: Jul 30, 2002; by Athanatos

Health Services posted:

Swamps and marshlands will help mitigate floods overall, though?

They do because they flood

# ? Apr 26, 2019 17:39

Raenir Salazar: Nov 5, 2010; College Slice

Arivia posted:

If you're deliberately keeping swampland around your house without building flood management issues you kind of deserve what you get for the floods because YOU'RE INTENTIONALLY LIVING WHERE THE FLOODS NATURALLY GO.

That doesn't make sense for our specific situation but I don't feel comfortable with posting a google map of my parent's area to show you. I'm not sure what you're even really talking about, the swamp the *behind* our house and connects to a lake; our house is on a row of houses on a peninsula that juts out in front of the swamp into the river; and the peninsula is like 4 meters above the water level of the river. The *swamp* is not what's causing the flooding. It's not like our house is in the middle of the swamp, the house is on a raised like cliff facing it, the water *from the river* is what's reaching our house; if anything the swamp is doing its job.

If you take your hand and make a Krusty Krabs claw, our peninsula is your thumb, the swamp is the empty area between the thumb and the palm of your hand, and the rest of the emptyness is the lake and then there's more swamp we don't own but people harvest maple syrup from along the finger and then back to the lake and everything past the thumb opposite is the river and about 5 miles upstream is a hydrodam.

I dunno what "flood management" things your suggesting my parents have done but without actually seeing it I doubt it'd have been legal. The town raised the road like 4 feet and it separates our swamp from the public swamp that borders the river.

# ? Apr 26, 2019 17:44

Arivia: Mar 17, 2011

Raenir Salazar posted:

That doesn't make sense for our specific situation but I don't feel comfortable with posting a google map of my parent's area to show you. I'm not sure what you're even really talking about, the swamp the *behind* our house and connects to a lake; our house is on a row of houses on a peninsula that juts out in front of the swamp into the river; and the peninsula is like 4 meters above the water level of the river. The *swamp* is not what's causing the flooding. It's not like our house is in the middle of the swamp, the house is on a raised like cliff facing it, the water *from the river* is what's reaching our house; if anything the swamp is doing its job.

If you take your hand and make a Krusty Krabs claw, our peninsula is your thumb, the swamp is the empty area between the thumb and the palm of your hand, and the rest of the emptyness is the lake and then there's more swamp we don't own but people harvest maple syrup from along the finger and then back to the lake and everything past the thumb opposite is the river and about 5 miles upstream is a hydrodam.

I dunno what "flood management" things your suggesting my parents have done but without actually seeing it I doubt it'd have been legal. The town raised the road like 4 feet and it separates our swamp from the public swamp that borders the river.

okay so what the gently caress are you worried about

# ? Apr 26, 2019 17:46

Raenir Salazar: Nov 5, 2010; College Slice

Arivia posted:

okay so what the gently caress are you worried about

The floods? That we were just talking about?

# ? Apr 26, 2019 17:48

flakeloaf: Feb 26, 2003; Still better than android clock

Every so often someone gets the brainwave to propose development on the east bank of Riverside Drive in Ottawa.

River. Side.

Rideau, being the river.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/R...6!4d-75.6891563

That green thing that turns to squooshy loamy poo poo every year and will probably start flooding out the road sometime in the next ten.

Don't tug on superman's cape, put anything of value in a place called Tornado Alley or build a house on something called a "flood plain".

Good on the government for wanting to pay those people to move, shame about the cap but there's time to raise (or remove) it.

# ? Apr 26, 2019 17:53

Postess with the Mostest: Apr 4, 2007; Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

Raenir Salazar posted:

That doesn't make sense for our specific situation but I don't feel comfortable with posting a google map of my parent's area to show you. I'm not sure what you're even really talking about, the swamp the *behind* our house and connects to a lake; our house is on a row of houses on a peninsula that juts out in front of the swamp into the river; and the peninsula is like 4 meters above the water level of the river. The *swamp* is not what's causing the flooding. It's not like our house is in the middle of the swamp, the house is on a raised like cliff facing it, the water *from the river* is what's reaching our house; if anything the swamp is doing its job.

If you take your hand and make a Krusty Krabs claw, our peninsula is your thumb, the swamp is the empty area between the thumb and the palm of your hand, and the rest of the emptyness is the lake and then there's more swamp we don't own but people harvest maple syrup from along the finger and then back to the lake and everything past the thumb opposite is the river and about 5 miles upstream is a hydrodam.

I dunno what "flood management" things your suggesting my parents have done but without actually seeing it I doubt it'd have been legal. The town raised the road like 4 feet and it separates our swamp from the public swamp that borders the river.

How bad was it in 2017? I know a guy who built a pretty good river facing levee after that one, rock wall with clay under and behind. Will see how it's holding up this weekend.

# ? Apr 26, 2019 17:59

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

flakeloaf posted:

Every so often someone gets the brainwave to propose development on the east bank of Riverside Drive in Ottawa.

River. Side.

Rideau, being the river.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/R...6!4d-75.6891563

That green thing that turns to squooshy loamy poo poo every year and will probably start flooding out the road sometime in the next ten.

Don't tug on superman's cape, put anything of value in a place called Tornado Alley or build a house on something called a "flood plain".

Good on the government for wanting to pay those people to move, shame about the cap but there's time to raise (or remove) it.

There are billions of dollars in development planned in the Toronto port lands, at the base of the Don River (valley), which floods multiple times a year and fully submerges the adjacent highway.

We've recently decided to waive the requirement that the naturalization and flood mitigation plans actually be implemented before construction begins, on the premise that surely they'll be implemented eventually.

# ? Apr 26, 2019 18:01

Baronjutter: Dec 31, 2007; "Tiny Trains"

I thought levees were bad because it just shifts the flood water onto someone else and ends up making the flood worse for everyone.

# ? Apr 26, 2019 18:03

Arivia: Mar 17, 2011

Raenir Salazar posted:

The floods? That we were just talking about?

And you just said your house is raised up five feet from the swamp area, right? So you should be fine? Like you already have flood mitigation on site, it sounds like.

# ? Apr 26, 2019 18:13

Postess with the Mostest: Apr 4, 2007; Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

Arivia posted:

And you just said your house is raised up five feet from the swamp area, right? So you should be fine? Like you already have flood mitigation on site, it sounds like.

5 feet isn't much. The Ottawa is at 8 feet above average and they're now forecasting it to hit 10 feet above, 2017 was 8.5 feet.

# ? Apr 26, 2019 18:22

flakeloaf: Feb 26, 2003; Still better than android clock

Baronjutter posted:

I thought levees were bad because it just shifts the flood water onto someone else and ends up making the flood worse for everyone.

Well that and they inspire people to try to top that Zeppelin song, which they aren't doing.

# ? Apr 26, 2019 18:29

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

flakeloaf posted:

Well that and they inspire people to try to top that Zeppelin song, which they aren't doing.

That was the real tragedy of hurricane Katrina, they stopped playing it on the radio for a while.

# ? Apr 26, 2019 18:31

flakeloaf: Feb 26, 2003; Still better than android clock

Radio stations got a couple of plays out of New Orleans is Sinking before they clued in to the troll, though.

# ? Apr 26, 2019 18:32

flakeloaf: Feb 26, 2003; Still better than android clock

Parents of boy who committed terrorist attack want PM to stop calling their terrorist son "a terrorist".

# ? Apr 26, 2019 18:40

cowofwar: Jul 30, 2002; by Athanatos

flakeloaf posted:

Every so often someone gets the brainwave to propose development on the east bank of Riverside Drive in Ottawa.

River. Side.

Rideau, being the river.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/R...6!4d-75.6891563

That green thing that turns to squooshy loamy poo poo every year and will probably start flooding out the road sometime in the next ten.

Don't tug on superman's cape, put anything of value in a place called Tornado Alley or build a house on something called a "flood plain".

Good on the government for wanting to pay those people to move, shame about the cap but there's time to raise (or remove) it.

That sounds like a problem solved by numbered corporations, limited liability, and lobbying. After a year it�s the homeowners� issue.

# ? Apr 26, 2019 18:41

Arc Hammer: Mar 4, 2013; Got any deathsticks?

Ford blames the flooding on Climate Change days after announcing cuts to flood conservation control and declaring that Ontario has "done it's share already" to fight climate change. Disingenuous fucker.

# ? Apr 26, 2019 18:43

Raenir Salazar: Nov 5, 2010; College Slice

Arivia posted:

And you just said your house is raised up five feet from the swamp area, right? So you should be fine? Like you already have flood mitigation on site, it sounds like.

It should've been abundantly clear that like, the flooding is still serious; my parents needed to be evacuated via an army amphibious APC in 2017; our wooden deck became a dock for boats to park up against. Like the whole discussion about probably needing to move is because the situation is that bad and the existence of the swamp is irrelevant in comparison to how severe the floods are. You literally needed a boat to get to the house and it is only because of like 600 sandbags that the basement was merely damp with some puddles of water and not knee deep in water. Dealing possibly with this level of flooding every two years to probably every year is not practical.

flakeloaf posted:

Every so often someone gets the brainwave to propose development on the east bank of Riverside Drive in Ottawa.

River. Side.

Rideau, being the river.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/R...6!4d-75.6891563

That green thing that turns to squooshy loamy poo poo every year and will probably start flooding out the road sometime in the next ten.

Don't tug on superman's cape, put anything of value in a place called Tornado Alley or build a house on something called a "flood plain".

Good on the government for wanting to pay those people to move, shame about the cap but there's time to raise (or remove) it.

I live near there now!

Postess with the Mostest posted:

How bad was it in 2017? I know a guy who built a pretty good river facing levee after that one, rock wall with clay under and behind. Will see how it's holding up this weekend.

Let me know!

Baronjutter posted:

I thought levees were bad because it just shifts the flood water onto someone else and ends up making the flood worse for everyone.

My thought process is that by the time the water gets bad enough to need a levee all of our neighbours are already basically a bunch of isolated islands of sandbags and it can't possibly be worse to turn our house into an island to protect the basement until power gets shut off and the sumps fail to keep the ground water pumping out.

# ? Apr 26, 2019 18:43

Arivia: Mar 17, 2011

Postess with the Mostest posted:

5 feet isn't much. The Ottawa is at 8 feet above average and they're now forecasting it to hit 10 feet above, 2017 was 8.5 feet.

Ah, okay. I retract my comment in that case.

# ? Apr 26, 2019 19:32

Argas: Jan 13, 2008; SRW Fanatic

EvidenceBasedQuack posted:

It's almost as if Doug Ford and his cronies have a poor grasp on economics and what debt actually is

Honestly I don't think Conservatives or Liberals or those wannabe libs in the NDP care. I'm sure some of them care, but not really.

# ? Apr 26, 2019 20:02

Arc Hammer: Mar 4, 2013; Got any deathsticks?

As long as our governments focus solely on surviving the four year election cycle the only thing we can expect I'd short term promises while kicking the ever growing ball of climate and economic problems down the road for the next government to ignore in favour of shirt term promises.

# ? Apr 26, 2019 21:13

Furnaceface: Oct 21, 2004

Arcsquad12 posted:

As long as our governments focus solely on surviving the four year election cycle the only thing we can expect I'd short term promises while kicking the ever growing ball of climate and economic problems down the road for the next government to ignore in favour of shirt term promises.

With our luck we will finally elect an NDP government only to have the ball explode in their laps leading to a massive swing back to the Cons and an entire generation deeming the NDP the worst thing to happen to Canadian politics.

Basically fast ferries/Ray Days at the federal level. :smith:

# ? Apr 26, 2019 21:19

AegisP: Oct 5, 2008

PBO has its analysis out (pdf link) on the federal carbon pricing scheme.

Basically, unless you're in the top quintile of income (except Manitoba where it includes the top quintile), the rebates (Schedule 14) that households are getting back will exceed the increase in household energy costs. And this is expected to continue for the next 5 years that the study examined.

# ? Apr 26, 2019 21:32

Baronjutter: Dec 31, 2007; "Tiny Trains"

Furnaceface posted:

With our luck we will finally elect an NDP government only to have the ball explode in their laps leading to a massive swing back to the Cons and an entire generation deeming the NDP the worst thing to happen to Canadian politics.

Basically fast ferries/Ray Days at the federal level.

This is 100% what's going to happen to the BCNDP the moment they actually "solve" the housing bubble. It will be 20 years of liberal darkness because "remember when the NDP wiped out everyone's retirement equity and chased away all the foreign investment?"

# ? Apr 26, 2019 22:24

EvidenceBasedQuack: Aug 15, 2015; A rock has no detectable opinion about gravity

flakeloaf posted:

Every so often someone gets the brainwave to propose development on the east bank of Riverside Drive in Ottawa.

River. Side.

Rideau, being the river.

Posted this earlier in C-SPAM
https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3847177&pagenumber=2&perpage=40#post494108091

People just can't help themselves making poor decisions

e: does the link work properly? It doesn't seem to in the app

EvidenceBasedQuack fucked around with this message at 00:16 on Apr 27, 2019

# ? Apr 27, 2019 00:13

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

The post you're linking doesn't seem to exist in that thread

# ? Apr 27, 2019 04:04

EvidenceBasedQuack: Aug 15, 2015; A rock has no detectable opinion about gravity

I'm not good with computers

# ? Apr 27, 2019 04:58

Nine of Eight: Apr 28, 2011; LICK IT OFF, AND PUT IT BACK IN; Dinosaur Gum

flakeloaf posted:

Parents of boy who committed terrorist attack want PM to stop calling their terrorist son "a terrorist".

They�d prefer he calls them a �spineless assassin�

Speaking of flooding �Maxime Bernier saving the last box of Jos Louis from the floods�

�After buying out Teo Taxi, Peladeau sets his sights on another massive failure: the roof of the Olympic stadium�

Diversity spread 2019; The provincial prime ministers.

# ? Apr 27, 2019 08:31

cowofwar: Jul 30, 2002; by Athanatos

Nine of Eight posted:

Diversity spread 2019; The provincial prime ministers.

Cursed image

# ? Apr 27, 2019 12:35

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

https://twitter.com/CTVNews/status/1121802553849712641

# ? Apr 27, 2019 15:38

Syfe: Jun 12, 2006

The first electrical firing Ford's brain has had in years.

"maybe..." he says, trying to connect the pieces.

# ? Apr 27, 2019 15:40

just another: Oct 16, 2009; these dead towns that make the maps wrong now

Arcsquad12 posted:

As long as our governments focus solely on surviving the four year election cycle the only thing we can expect I'd short term promises while kicking the ever growing ball of climate and economic problems down the road for the next government to ignore in favour of shirt term promises.

Bring back divine rule imo

# ? Apr 27, 2019 15:54

Hexigrammus: May 22, 2006; Cheech Wizard stories are clean, wholesome, reflective truths that go great with the marijuana munchies and a blow job.

Syfe posted:

The first electrical firing Ford's brain has had in years.

"maybe..." he says, trying to connect the pieces.

Ford Nation Meltdown in 5...4...

# ? Apr 27, 2019 15:56

Arivia: Mar 17, 2011

just another posted:

Bring back divine rule imo

it looks like we're about to rotate Standard again in fall so maybe in the next set after WAR.

# ? Apr 27, 2019 15:56

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# ? Jun 2, 2024 15:27

DynamicSloth: Jul 30, 2006; "Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth."

Ford's position in the campaign was that climate change is real, it's practically a universal consensus among conservative politicians, Trumpian denialism is truly an aberration.

The policy difference between Ford and Trudeau's fiddling with market incentives or a theoretical NDP government's small ball spending is pretty small compared to the massive state interventions that will be required to actually transition to a post-crisis society, the main sin of the conservatives is that they exploit the denialists and work hand in hand with the industrialists disinformation campaigns, even a dummy like Ford can figure out how to do that while also officially recognizing the reality of climate change.

# ? Apr 27, 2019 15:58

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