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Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

https://twitter.com/DrRandomercam/status/1121572297830219778

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KillerQueen
Jul 13, 2010

So a lot of times when people realize police are poo poo, they ask about alternatives. Is there a guide somewhere to maybe lay out some self-policing practices in a community?

KillerQueen
Jul 13, 2010


Sir, this is a Wendy's drive-thru?

Zeroisanumber
Oct 23, 2010

Nap Ghost

Brain fully smoothed like the skin of a porpoise.

smarxist
Jul 26, 2018

by Fluffdaddy

Chillgamesh posted:

I mean yes xd xd acab xd guillotines but seriously what the gently caress does Portland actually do about this? Their entire police force is actively adversarial to every single loving person in the city. Like they are literally being occupied by a hostile, foreign paramilitary force that does not even maintain a pretense of acting in anyone else's best interests. Cops are absolute poo poo nationwide, but even for police, the PPB to actively want to destroy the city they're in charge of.

Like, I know anarchists call for total abolition of the police force as a concept, but this in particular seems like something in need of immediate action.

well, luckily we have a federal government, and they- *turns to look at the fed* ... poo poo.

Wraith of J.O.I.
Jan 25, 2012


i think they’re chanting AIM at the end—would that be american identity movement?

https://twitter.com/cewigginton/status/1122255631757524992?s=21

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
yeah that's them

KillerQueen
Jul 13, 2010

They will never hold a candle to Advanced Ideas and Mechanics. Never!

Hellsau
Jan 14, 2010

NEVER FUCKING TAKE A NIGHT OFF CLAN WARS.

KillerQueen posted:

So a lot of times when people realize police are poo poo, they ask about alternatives. Is there a guide somewhere to maybe lay out some self-policing practices in a community?

"Literally nothing" is superior to the current police culture, so that's a start.

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
speaking of them

https://twitter.com/UR_Ninja/status/1122261818787934210

quote:

This weekend of April 27, 2019, the American Identity Movement is holding a secret gathering for members who traveled to their new headquarters in the Washington D.C. area. The group plans to hold a short flash rally, visit museums, and entertain a visit from white nationalist author Jared Taylor from the American Renaissance conference.

BrutalistMcDonalds has issued a correction as of 23:15 on Apr 27, 2019

smarxist
Jul 26, 2018

by Fluffdaddy

KillerQueen posted:

So a lot of times when people realize police are poo poo, they ask about alternatives. Is there a guide somewhere to maybe lay out some self-policing practices in a community?

People need to have accountability processes for themselves and all of the social groups they're in. For small groups, it takes like a day or two to hash out. if you have an affinity group or an org it may take a couple months to finalize a process. The need for police as we know it ending is the last few miles of a long journey we have to take as a species into rehabilitating our social relations and culture from bottom to top. Becoming comfortable with and willing to engage in accountability processes is kind of a wedge to cram into that gateway and start prying.

So much of what we consider "justice" when we're aggrieved, assaulted, stolen from or have something inflicted upon us falls into a binary of "live with it" or "enact violence on them/call police to enact violence on them". Most of the crimes committed are done to people by people they know, especially the more violent ones, or the ones born of class antagonisms and privileges (patriarchy and sexual assault, rape, etc). When all parties are willing to engage in good faith in the spirit of healing the damage done (knowing obviously that this puts a tremendous burden on the victim), there's way more opportunity to fix poo poo in non-destructive ways, deal with trauma, etc.

Also you get on this kinda stuff pro-actively, no missing stair bullshit that everyone talks around. You gotta rigorously destroy the liberal idea that something is "not my problem" when it's obviously in your local material conditions causing problems, pain, and potentially injury/death to the people around you, which WILL materially impact you. It's too easy for everyone to cut people off and walk away because the capitalist mode of production favors disposable relationships that are jettisoned whenever they dip below being a profitable or equivalent exchange in resources/energy. I don't blame anyone for operating that way, nearly everyone does, and I do sometimes as well, because sometimes you don''t have the energy or mental reserves to help, that's by the system's design, but revolutionizing an entire society starts with a lot of personal development

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


ChristsDickWorship
Dec 7, 2004

Annihilate your demons



Grondoth posted:

I'm pretty sure cities CAN shut down police departments, and the Portland Police Department was already under investigation and restructuring by the Feds before all of this started. If I was in Portland I'd be calling for the whole department to be shut the gently caress down and restarted, because it's clearly bad.

Camden, NJ had to do this a while back because the police union contract was all hosed up, something like 30% of every shift was able to call out while still getting paid, and they were coordinating to make that happen daily. I think the process there was dissolving that contract and thus the city police force, then creating a county police force that included Camden. But I don't remember if the fact that they were actively in contract negotiations at the time was part of the process, if they just let the contract expire or if they actually nullified it somehow.

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

one death. he might've lost his nerve

he got gunned down lol

Maximo Roboto
Feb 4, 2012

Sephyr posted:

I want a series of this alternate history.

Empty America has a major arc where the Mongols conquer Europe. It's pretty massive.

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008

Vox Nihili posted:

he got gunned down lol

correction: chased off by some off-duty cop with a gun

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...
https://twitter.com/KTVU/status/1121155978932576262

https://twitter.com/PSchrager/status/1121911296448921600

welp

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

Vox Nihili posted:

correction: chased off by some off-duty cop with a gun
probably pulling security at the synagogue

Hellsau
Jan 14, 2010

NEVER FUCKING TAKE A NIGHT OFF CLAN WARS.

i'm shocked that an iraq war veteran has such animosity towards muslims, where could they possibly have absorbed such hateful ideology

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008


:(

Bullfrog
Nov 5, 2012

The """"manifesto"""" and post was genuine

https://heavy.com/news/2019/04/john-earnest/

blatant "copycat" attack

Bullfrog has issued a correction as of 01:03 on Apr 28, 2019

cargo cult
Aug 28, 2008

by Reene
why would you throw away your life at 19? he could have become a more efficacious white supremacist by just becoming a cop or a prosecutor or smtn

Seven Force
Nov 9, 2005

WARNING!

BOSS IS APPROACHING!!!

SEVEN FORCE

--ACTIONS--

SHITPOSTING

LOVE LOVE DANCING

Yeah, it's like they've been radicalized somehow

Hellsau
Jan 14, 2010

NEVER FUCKING TAKE A NIGHT OFF CLAN WARS.
surely this racist terrorist attack will be the one that gets 8chan wiped off the internet

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

One of the big secondary horrors of these murders is that whenever they happen so many people always deny the truth and simply will not be made to understand what’s happening. It makes me feel like I’m crazy, some kind of Cassandra or hysterical conspiracist.

What will future generations say about us and what we allowed to happen for so long and how bad we allowed things to get?

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


the real question here: what kind of 19 y/o cares about the pokemon theme song, a game that came out years before you were born, and a song from halo, a game that came out when you were like 1

answer: the kind hosed up enough to be radicalized into committing mass murder by a chan image board

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Millennials grooming zoomers to do the murders they’re too out of shape to perform. What a time to be alive.

LonsomeSon
Nov 22, 2009

A fishperson in an intimidating hat!

Antifa Turkeesian posted:

What will future generations say about us and what we allowed to happen for so long and how bad we allowed things to get?

Most likely, the final enclaves of humans which have an understanding of historical time and have worked to preserve some understanding of history will loving hate us for killing them in our future so that our renteir class can build a few more yachts in our present.

So, I guess don't worry, they will be thinking of other things than hate crimes?

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


i actually do wonder at what age these people get into these online subcultures now. i was loving around on the internet at like 13, but that was just dumb video game boards or something, and it wasnt until i was like 18 i really started posting on sa/lf.

if you're 19, you could have started reading /pol/ when you were 13 and it would have been totally nazi the whole time.

in 20-30 years every GOP politician will have been a /pol/ poster at some point, i'll bet.

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



Antifa Turkeesian posted:

One of the big secondary horrors of these murders is that whenever they happen so many people always deny the truth and simply will not be made to understand what’s happening. It makes me feel like I’m crazy, some kind of Cassandra or hysterical conspiracist.

What will future generations say about us and what we allowed to happen for so long and how bad we allowed things to get?

the decline of the american empire starts with Gore v Bush in 2000 and this is just a "notable fact" sidebar in future history books at the moment

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Sheng-Ji Yang posted:

i actually do wonder at what age these people get into these online subcultures now. i was loving around on the internet at like 13, but that was just dumb video game boards or something, and it wasnt until i was like 18 i really started posting on sa/lf.

if you're 19, you could have started reading /pol/ when you were 13 and it would have been totally nazi the whole time.

in 20-30 years every GOP politician will have been a /pol/ poster at some point, i'll bet.

One of the big nazis that was organizing rallies in my city had an old abandoned facebook profile that started when he was in elementary school. He was posting 4chan memes there by age 15. He was 19 when he came out as a leader of nazis.

Bullfrog
Nov 5, 2012

Sheng-Ji Yang posted:

i actually do wonder at what age these people get into these online subcultures now. i was loving around on the internet at like 13, but that was just dumb video game boards or something, and it wasnt until i was like 18 i really started posting on sa/lf.

if you're 19, you could have started reading /pol/ when you were 13 and it would have been totally nazi the whole time.

in 20-30 years every GOP politician will have been a /pol/ poster at some point, i'll bet.

yeah, if you're a mid 20s millennial or above you kinda had to "grow into" your internet use, now you can break your brain instantly at literally any time as a child

mandatory lesbian
Dec 18, 2012

Sheng-Ji Yang posted:

i actually do wonder at what age these people get into these online subcultures now. i was loving around on the internet at like 13, but that was just dumb video game boards or something, and it wasnt until i was like 18 i really started posting on sa/lf.

if you're 19, you could have started reading /pol/ when you were 13 and it would have been totally nazi the whole time.

in 20-30 years every GOP politician will have been a /pol/ poster at some point, i'll bet.

i was loving around on it when i was 10ish, cutting my teeth in the unofficial cartoon network forums

cargo cult
Aug 28, 2008

by Reene
the idea of having kids these days is like utterly horrifying. you can do everything possible to ensure they develop in a healthy way and are exposed gradually to the lovely reality of human history at an appropriate age but they can also just go home and click two links and see decapitations and fascist and misogynistic propaganda by age 5

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008

Sheng-Ji Yang posted:

i actually do wonder at what age these people get into these online subcultures now. i was loving around on the internet at like 13, but that was just dumb video game boards or something, and it wasnt until i was like 18 i really started posting on sa/lf.

if you're 19, you could have started reading /pol/ when you were 13 and it would have been totally nazi the whole time.

in 20-30 years every GOP politician will have been a /pol/ poster at some point, i'll bet.

apparently the guy was only on 4chan/8chan boards for about a year and a half

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008

cargo cult posted:

the idea of having kids these days is like utterly horrifying. you can do everything possible to ensure they develop in a healthy way and are exposed gradually to the lovely reality of human history at an appropriate age but they can also just go home and click two links and see decapitations and fascist and misogynistic propaganda by age 5

just don't let your kids have unfettered access to the internet my dude

sat on my keys!
Oct 2, 2014

Sheng-Ji Yang posted:

i actually do wonder at what age these people get into these online subcultures now. i was loving around on the internet at like 13, but that was just dumb video game boards or something, and it wasnt until i was like 18 i really started posting on sa/lf.

if you're 19, you could have started reading /pol/ when you were 13 and it would have been totally nazi the whole time.

in 20-30 years every GOP politician will have been a /pol/ poster at some point, i'll bet.

I'm 27 and when I was about 14 there were people posting regularly on forums I was in talking about how Hitler had given National Socialism a bad rap who claimed to be (and certainly acted like) they were my age. It might be easier now but these people were around in the mid 00s too.

Montasque
Jul 18, 2003

Living in a hateful world sending me straight to Heaven

Vox Nihili posted:

apparently the guy was only on 4chan/8chan boards for about a year and a half

8chan, not even once.

Grape
Nov 16, 2017

Happily shilling for China!

Antifa Turkeesian posted:

Millennials grooming zoomers to do the murders they’re too out of shape to perform. What a time to be alive.

While a burping slothful boomer generation has set the whole process in motion, neither knowing nor caring that they did so.

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Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

Sheng-Ji Yang posted:

i actually do wonder at what age these people get into these online subcultures now. i was loving around on the internet at like 13, but that was just dumb video game boards or something, and it wasnt until i was like 18 i really started posting on sa/lf.

if you're 19, you could have started reading /pol/ when you were 13 and it would have been totally nazi the whole time.

in 20-30 years every GOP politician will have been a /pol/ poster at some point, i'll bet.

I started going on forums for the first around 19/20, roughly around the same time I came across SA. Up until then, any interaction I had with people was with chatrooms, which seems quite quaint in retrospect.

I can also proudly proclaim that I've never posted on 4chan since that place was too messy and cluttered for me to get past. THANK GOD.

Mr Interweb has issued a correction as of 02:58 on Apr 28, 2019

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