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Telsa Cola posted:Off the top of my head the Harrapan civilization was fairly advanced for the time but we basically dont know too much about them since we cant translate the glyphs they left. their statues were super neat looking
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Tunicate posted:it is true that societies with low levels of literacy got a lot more practice with rote memorization, and things that stunt memorizers do (like the method of loci) are based off of old historical methods Also, the things they memorized (like long epics and religious texts etc.) usually had aids like repetition, rhymes, rhythm, and so on. It's a lot easier to memorize a poem than, say, the periodic table. Although... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYW50F42ss8
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Zudgemud posted:India has a bajillion languages from several different language families, so it's likely nationalist bullshit. However, I do recall reading somewhere that hindi has a rich vocabulary, but that too, might have nationalist bullshit. The problem with comparing vocabularies is you have to define what a word is first, which is harder than you'd think. Run, runs, ran--is that one word, or three? Then you have to decide how to count those in other languages which may not be grammatically comparable, like Chinese which has no conjugations. That said, languages that absorb a lot of loanwords tend to have more words in the dictionary for obvious reasons. Hindi is a widely language that looks to have multiple influences sort of like English so I'd imagine it has a large vocabulary. But this is one of those things like Korea claiming Hangeul is the best alphabet. A) What does that even mean and B) who cares.
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HEY GUNS posted:their statues were super neat looking and they had good plumbing which is the most important part of civilization
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Apr 28, 2019 14:17
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What was the first city to not have rivers of poo poo running through its streets?
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Grand Fromage posted:
A). Korea is the best B) Koreans, very much.
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Apr 28, 2019 16:39
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:What was the first city to not have rivers of poo poo running through its streets? Skara Brae seems to have had some sort of indoor shitters with plumbing in 3000 BCE already. The Indus Valley Civilization was the first to have bigger cities with them a few centuries later.
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I've heard of studies trying to compare the information density of languages. At least one came to the conclusion that Turkish has noticeably higher inflation density than English, however they defined that. They had a low n but speculated from what data they did have that widely spoken languages often have lower information densities. This was a while ago so chances are it's been either debunked or followed up on by now
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Apr 28, 2019 18:17
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:What was the first city to not have rivers of poo poo running through its streets? Depends what you define as a city but the Indus Valley nerds probably had the first both largeish and cleanish cities.
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Hogge Wild posted:and they had good plumbing which is the most important part of civilization
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cheetah7071 posted:I've heard of studies trying to compare the information density of languages. At least one came to the conclusion that Turkish has noticeably higher inflation density than English, however they defined that. They had a low n but speculated from what data they did have that widely spoken languages often have lower information densities. This was a while ago so chances are it's been either debunked or followed up on by now Some of the followups have concluded that spoken information density is pretty consistent when evaluated as a factor of time rather than simply per syllable. If your language is more information dense per syllable it will tend to be spoken more slowly.  https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/16e6/43a9e39674c58acd7cdf56c0ff4478492f63.pdf
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Grand Fromage posted:The problem with comparing vocabularies is you have to define what a word is first, which is harder than you'd think. Run, runs, ran--is that one word, or three? Then you have to decide how to count those in other languages which may not be grammatically comparable, like Chinese which has no conjugations. Yes, and as you say the size of the vocabulary doesn't necessarily mean that much either depending on how the language works in terms of interpretation and context etc. It was just the only thing that I have personally encountered people saying. I have also had native arabic speakers claim that their language was the most beautiful for its capacity to describe things so intricately and flawlessly in poetry. So I'm pretty sure it's all just various forms romantic/nationalistic wank that comes from the biased personal knowledge and topical preference.
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Apr 28, 2019 20:50
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Does that then imply that places like the southern US where people's regional accents involve talking slower are then using inflection and slang to squeeze more information into syllables? While faster speakers may waste their time with extraneous participles and such?
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Apr 28, 2019 20:53
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SlothfulCobra posted:Does that then imply that places like the southern US where people's regional accents involve talking slower are then using inflection and slang to squeeze more information into syllables? While faster speakers may waste their time with extraneous participles and such? I grew up speaking with southern US English accent and with Alsatian french. Then I moved to Canada and got to enjoy all sorts of horrid accents in both languages. My takeaway is that we all spend 90% of our time bullshitting. Doesn’t matter if it’s unnecessary words or unnecessary syllables.
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Apr 28, 2019 21:00
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SlothfulCobra posted:Does that then imply that places like the southern US where people's regional accents involve talking slower are then using inflection and slang to squeeze more information into syllables? While faster speakers may waste their time with extraneous participles and such? there was some radio program that discussed this a long time ago, and one of their conclusions i remember is that dialects in which people talk relatively fast as in western Oregon (fastest speakers in the United States on average) tend to use a lot more ums, and ahs and 'like' space filling words. The faster you talk the larger the proportion of your speech that becomes extraneous.
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Apr 28, 2019 21:13
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Re: India accuracy of verbal transmission, I actually recall Wendy Doniger (a British academic who Hindutva partisans absolutely despise) citing some studies that found different versions of the Vedas to have greater consistency than other analogous techs within the Mediterranean. I can't remember the details though. Imo it's not that unusual, given the status of the Brahmins
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Apr 28, 2019 22:51
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It's believable to me that different writing systems could be more easily transcribed accurately than others
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Apr 28, 2019 23:41
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HEY GUNS posted:it has saved more lives than any ideology we argue about on here in undergrad engineering you learn that water flows downhill in graduate engineering you learn that water flows toward money (edit: or away from money, in flood fight efforts)
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Apr 28, 2019 23:46
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Grand Fromage posted:Indus Valley nerds Where do the various ancient civs fall on the jock/nerd spectrum, also the cool/lame spectrum? Here is my rough analysis: Sparta: Jocks/Lame Assyrians: Jocks/Neutral Rome: Jocks/Cool Egypt: Neutral/Cool Babylon: True Neutral Carthage: Neutral/Lame Athens: Nerds/Lame Indus Valley: Nerds/Neutral Persian Empire: Nerds/Cool
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I mean I'm not sure I would put maybe the single most bureaucratic civilization of all time as neutral instead of nerdy.
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Apr 29, 2019 03:52
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Anyone got that sublime jock/nerd goth/prep ancient civilization chart?
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Grand Prize Winner posted:Where do the various ancient civs fall on the jock/nerd spectrum, also the cool/lame spectrum? you are father of lies! egyptians are def nerds Tree Bucket posted:Anyone got that sublime jock/nerd goth/prep ancient civilization chart? 
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I’m angered by the eurocentrism of this tweet. They fit in Greenland ? But not Egypt etc. it’s a terrible map.
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euphronius posted:I’m angered by the eurocentrism of this tweet. Greenland isn't in Europe 
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I'm not actually sure what makes an entire civilization 'jock' or 'nerd', but if it's how much written material they left behind, I think Rome has to be on the nerd end of the spectrum. And I didn't even realize it was possible to be a goth jock, but then again I graduated from high school in the mid 80s before goths were really a thing, so what do I know.
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So far as I know, most high school sociological divisions are based on largely fictional information because people who write content based in high school copy off of other writers (and a little input from their flawed memories from long ago). Although it might be interesting if some anthropologists did actual studies on high school cliques.
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SlothfulCobra posted:So far as I know, most high school sociological divisions are based on largely fictional information because people who write content based in high school copy off of other writers (and a little input from their flawed memories from long ago). this has definitely been done (studying your local high school is much cheaper than going to New Guinea) 
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SlothfulCobra posted:So far as I know, most high school sociological divisions are based on largely fictional information because people who write content based in high school copy off of other writers (and a little input from their flawed memories from long ago). Well, some of them do have their own kids, who hang around with other kids in their houses, or indeed are actually teachers. Not that they'll see everything going on between the kids of course, but it would still give a slightly more up to date view of things.
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Squalid posted:this has definitely been done (studying your local high school is much cheaper than going to New Guinea) I’m the single dot with no connection.
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I love how on the one hand there's 63 monogamous relationships and then some other guys went and tried to recreate the structural model for hemoglobin or something by loving. Also that configuration on the top right intrigues me, it's self-contained and most members had a single partner, so those guys are not exactly players, but they are all connected by this one chick who went and had six partners in as many months but somehow didn't connect into the huge mainstream ball of gently caress. Is that a social clique, did they know it was going on, is it a club of some sorts, what is that? There's a similar fuckstar in the bottom left.
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The two (I think ) same sex encounters make me wonder about the whole thing. (As in that seems way too low)
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Apr 29, 2019 19:45
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If I had to guess I’d say nerd clique with one girl holding court over a bunch of dudes that think she’s amazing because she’s into anime/goth/Star Wars/whatever and are too socially awkward to get outside the group. I knew a few situations like that in HS and college. Nothing as big, but one lady sleeping around with a handful of pliable dorks.
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euphronius posted:The two (I think ) same sex encounters make me wonder about the whole thing. (As in that seems way too low) I forget the source but I think it’s over 10 years old, so I would expect some level of reporting bias on this subject. You just have to accept it as a known problem and try and do the best with the data you have.
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Also remember that there isn’t a temporal aspect to that chart. This is sexual encounters over (presumably) 4 years so it’s not like they’re necessarily swapping around over a weekend.
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Apr 29, 2019 20:03
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It’s 6 months.
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Cyrano4747 posted:If I had to guess I’d say nerd clique with one girl holding court over a bunch of dudes that think she’s amazing because she’s into anime/goth/Star Wars/whatever and are too socially awkward to get outside the group. Anime is probably the goo that binds.
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It says romantic relations too, not just sexual. So that makes it a lot easier to have people tied together by those 2 week "we're totally dating and gently caress YOU DIRK WE'RE BREAKING UP FOREVER" things that come up and then both people move on to someone else.
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Apr 29, 2019 21:06
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Family Values posted:And I didn't even realize it was possible to be a goth jock, but then again I graduated from high school in the mid 80s before goths were really a thing, so what do I know.
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Tunicate posted:anything that requires self-reporting by teenagers is gonna be super unreliable Self-reporting by anyone is unreliable to an extent, but there's research done that shows that teenagers can actually be more reliable than adults, particularly when being studied on issues that involve peer pressure. Teenage girls are less likely to lie about their weight than young adult women, for example.
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