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Hellsau posted:also Trevor Humphries was doing a far more blatant version of that, forcing opponents to mulligan multiple times by thumbing multiple cards to the top while keeping the top chunk of the deck stable. His rant after being banned about Underground Dojo Keyboard Cagefighters was excellent: lol
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ilmucche posted:Did he ever consider not cheating as a way to avoid a ban? Look, if you're not shootin all the angles, you honestly don't want to win.
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Why does cranial plating have BB, attach to creature and also 1, equip?
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ilmucche posted:Why does cranial plating have BB, attach to creature and also 1, equip? Instant speed vs sorcery speed
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Equip is sorcery speed, the other is instant efb
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ilmucche posted:Why does cranial plating have BB, attach to creature and also 1, equip? So you can equip at instant speed, say during combat.
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ilmucche posted:Why does cranial plating have BB, attach to creature and also 1, equip? It was part of a cycle with instant speed CC equip. It was the only one that was any good.
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TacoNight posted:Saheeli is great if you have cards to trigger her. Get servos, block, then make one of them copy something evasive to help close out the game. Saheeli has to be built around and needs to be in the blue/red spell matters archetype. The other planeswalkers are just flat auto includes admanb posted:Maybe if everything at uncommon and above is a bomb... they're not actually bombs and it's just a very powerful format. Except a lot uncommons and rares are pretty bad. So no? anglachel fucked around with this message at 20:50 on Apr 29, 2019 |
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poo poo is weak posted:So you can equip at instant speed, say during combat. In particular in response to blocks or removal to keep pressuring their life total or trading up.
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Kurieg posted:It was part of a cycle with instant speed CC equip. It was the only one that was any good. The White and Green ones are great limited cards.
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Hellsau posted:The White and Green ones are great limited cards. This was also back in the damage on the stack days, so you could do weird combat tricks with the instant speed part of them.
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lol a 4/4 Menace for 5 is not a bomb and Massacre Girl barely ever triggers in limited. There aren't very many X/1's and proliferate puts the board out of range very quickly.
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ChromiumCrush posted:lol a 4/4 Menace for 5 is not a bomb and Massacre Girl barely ever triggers in limited. There aren't very many X/1's and proliferate puts the board out of range very quickly. I mean, it's not always wrath of god attached to a 4/4, but it still is plenty of the time and it's definitely a bomb.
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Hellsau posted:also Trevor Humphries was doing a far more blatant version of that, forcing opponents to mulligan multiple times by thumbing multiple cards to the top while keeping the top chunk of the deck stable. His rant after being banned about Underground Dojo Keyboard Cagefighters was excellent: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0zYMAhp570 Just outright looking through his opponent's deck to stack the top.
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ChromiumCrush posted:lol a 4/4 Menace for 5 is not a bomb and Massacre Girl barely ever triggers in limited. There aren't very many X/1's and proliferate puts the board out of range very quickly. Except she can kill a whole lot more than 1/1s. You realize she triggers off your own dudes too right? And it's trivially easy to get a 1/1 of your own to make her go off.
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ChromiumCrush posted:lol a 4/4 Menace for 5 is not a bomb and Massacre Girl barely ever triggers in limited. There aren't very many X/1's and proliferate puts the board out of range very quickly. every time i drew massacre girl it was a board wipe and there were several times i was desperately hoping to draw it to get that board wipe but did not. you need only a single x/1 on the board, as soon as that dies it's basically guaranteed everything else is dying.
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I just watched Mike Sigrist streaming cast it on a board of 6 creatures after pivoting to take it in Pack 2 with 0 other black cards, and it was wrath of god attached to a 4/4. There were no 1/1s on the board and the opponent made a block that enabled it, but he could have triggered it himself with the 2/3 that sacrifices a creature or planeswalker to draw a card.
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gotta strenuously disagree about ashiok, he violates the rule about affecting the board state but absolutely demands answer in a way that something like the wanderer does not. Clog up the board on turns 2-3, resolve him turn 4 and start milling “It’s fine, there’s no guarantee it hits my threats” carries less weight when the card is going to mill 60% of your non-opening hand deck It’s way more of a problem in practice that it looks as written Squinky v2.0 fucked around with this message at 21:31 on Apr 29, 2019 |
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Squinky v2.0 posted:gotta strenuously disagree about ashiok, he violates the rule about affecting the board state but absolutely demands answer in a way that something like the wanderer does not. Clog up the board on turns 2-3, resolve him turn 4 and start milling I managed to copy one with the blue copy spell, and enchant it with the thing that makes it come back when it dies/send it back to my hand on 1 loyalty. Mill is fun in limited.
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Marketing New Brain posted:I just watched Mike Sigrist streaming cast it on a board of 6 creatures after pivoting to take it in Pack 2 with 0 other black cards, and it was wrath of god attached to a 4/4. There were no 1/1s on the board and the opponent made a block that enabled it, but he could have triggered it himself with the 2/3 that sacrifices a creature or planeswalker to draw a card. I used massacre girl to kill a god eternal oketra at the pre-release. Opponent was at 5 and had just cast oketra, I swung with a 5/5 menace creature. Opponent blocked with oketra and the 1/3 pump bird so I applied 5 damage to oketra and cast massacre girl, which killed oketra, then both my 1/2’s and my opponents 1/3 leaving me with the 1/5 lifelink and massacre girl.
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Squinky v2.0 posted:gotta strenuously disagree about ashiok, he violates the rule about affecting the board state but absolutely demands answer in a way that something like the wanderer does not. Clog up the board on turns 2-3, resolve him turn 4 and start milling Ashiok isn't bad if you can get something else to enable him that mills (or have enough proliferate). But a guy who doesnt impact the board isnt typically what you want in limited. It's not that he's bad, it's that he's not an auto include just cause you are playing black or blue.
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ChromiumCrush posted:lol a 4/4 Menace for 5 is not a bomb and Massacre Girl barely ever triggers in limited. There aren't very many X/1's and proliferate puts the board out of range very quickly. What the gently caress? Massacre Girl is a 4/4 Menace that you get to setup to wrath the board or better.
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anglachel posted:So you won when you got a bomb like Massacre Girl? Not sure I see your point that it's totally winnable when you dont have bombs, when your primary example is a pool that did in fact have at least 1 bomb, 4 good planeswalkers for limited, and a removal suite. That kind of backs up my point that it's a "grind till you get your bomb" format. Massacre Girl is a very strong card but it's not a bomb. Yeah, it can be a board wipe that leaves you ahead but it can also be a dud against a deck with a lot of x/x+1 creatures ( like azorius, selesnya, or Boros in this format). Plenty of the games where I had her I either had to just settle for the body or make a bad trade in order to get her rolling, to say nothing of times when my opponent had a combat trick (sac or bounce their weakest guy to keep her from going off). She's just a strong card in a stronger than average set. The PWs I had did synergize together well but none of them were as game swinging as something like Bolas, Ugin, Liliana, or Gideon. Those are bombs. Edit: Gotta agree that Ashiok is much better than it looks. If they can clog up the board long enough to activate it even twice you're in a really bad spot, unless they somehow hit mostly lands. Mat Cauthon fucked around with this message at 21:23 on Apr 29, 2019 |
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Massacre Girl not a bomb. Okay.
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Massacre Girl is better than all commons and uncommons, including Ob Nixilus's Cruelty.
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Hellsau posted:Massacre Girl is better than all commons and uncommons, including Ob Nixilus's Cruelty. Is massacre girl an elite quarterback in the nfl?
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anglachel posted:Ashiok isn't bad if you can get something else to enable him that mills (or have enough proliferate). But a guy who doesnt impact the board isnt typically what you want in limited. It's not that he's bad, it's that he's not an auto include just cause you are playing black or blue. I get what you’re saying and I would have said the same thing prior to this weekend — mill is basically always a huge trap in limited but that’s what I’m trying to get at, he has way more impact in practice than it looks on paper I played an embarrassing amount of sealed this weekend and dude won me more games than any single card. Aid the fallen to get back an ashiok was a snap-concede move a couple times. Not a card that jumped out to me at all but honestly may have been my personal all around MVP for the last 3 days Ironically, he pairs extremely well with Dovin, also on your list
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Time posted:Is massacre girl an elite quarterback in the nfl? Yes, that's her day job, but her true passion is pseudonymous mayhem.
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Squinky v2.0 posted:I get what you’re saying and I would have said the same thing prior to this weekend — mill is basically always a huge trap in limited I got stomped by him in a draft (with a Dovin combo with him to boot). My point is that he's a card that you need to make sure you have a couple of other things going to include. Sounds like we are mostly agreeing though.
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Squinky v2.0 posted:gotta strenuously disagree about ashiok, he violates the rule about affecting the board state but absolutely demands answer in a way that something like the wanderer does not. Clog up the board on turns 2-3, resolve him turn 4 and start milling basically your opponent needs to bet that the game isn't going to turn 14 (or less if they want to draw extra cards), you don't have a second one or a card to retrieve it from your graveyard, or they have to answer it
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anglachel posted:I got stomped by him in a draft (with a Dovin combo with him to boot). My point is that he's a card that you need to make sure you have a couple of other things going to include. Sounds like we are mostly agreeing though. you only need a single aid the fallen or kaya's ghostform to get enough mill power to win
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Time posted:Is massacre girl an elite quarterback in the nfl? Joe "Massacre Girl" Flacco Squinky v2.0 posted:gotta strenuously disagree about ashiok, he violates the rule about affecting the board state but absolutely demands answer in a way that something like the wanderer does not. Clog up the board on turns 2-3, resolve him turn 4 and start milling It's a great finisher in an absolute powerhouse control deck with 0 other wincons, or great to board in against a control deck, but it is a 3 mana do nothing/gain 4 vs aggro which will lose you the game. Beatdown is alive and well in this format. It's closer to the mill enchantment from M19 that was a win condition but didn't go in every deck. The uncommon one that triggered off draw not the bomb rare. evilweasel posted:basically your opponent needs to bet that the game isn't going to turn 14 (or less if they want to draw extra cards), you don't have a second one or a card to retrieve it from your graveyard, or they have to answer it I didn't bring it in for that purpose but I had a Teyo I was playing in sealed completely shut off Ashiok. Marketing New Brain fucked around with this message at 21:53 on Apr 29, 2019 |
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Marketing New Brain posted:Joe "Massacre Girl" Flacco What are you drafting for beatdown in this format?
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anglachel posted:I got stomped by him in a draft (with a Dovin combo with him to boot). My point is that he's a card that you need to make sure you have a couple of other things going to include. Sounds like we are mostly agreeing though. Yeah part of it is that in WAR it seems really easy to create situations where neither side can reasonably touch the other, especially if you set out to create that situation. I think it’s partially why there are so many high impact rares - everyone builds a pillow fort with their planeswalker friends until their opponent lands a god-eternal to break it up Lots of stray zombie tokens to chump with and few creature cards that can apply heavy pressure turns 1-4. Obviously there are some gross possibilities with proliferating counters or amassing something huge quickly but that feels like the exception here, not the rule So a card that wins you a game from behind your fortress of efficient commons is better than it might otherwise be, is my guess
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The Goon MTG discord link on the first page is expired. Is there still a discord up for this? I got a bunch of cards over the last few days and have no idea where to start for a build. The old Brewhaus thread is 2 years old and untouched.
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anglachel posted:What are you drafting for beatdown in this format? Green based, very readily GR or GW. Kronch Wrangler is the jumping off point for some pretty reliably fat bodies. T2 Wrangler, T3 Raging Kronch, T4 Bloom Hulk is T5 lethal, and the window for interacting with it without all but the best common removal closes quite quickly. Wrangler and Bloom Hulk are no joke.
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ChromiumCrush posted:lol a 4/4 Menace for 5 is not a bomb and Massacre Girl barely ever triggers in limited. There aren't very many X/1's and proliferate puts the board out of range very quickly. lol then don't be surprised when that card wrecks you in limited
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