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She dies when Arya throws a dagger at her from Winterfell's court yard, ricocheting it off Harrenhal, Casterly Rock, the giant stone dude in Braavos and finally, Jaime's golden hand as he's wiping his bum in the privy Tywin died in. Poetry.
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Arya takes out the entire golden company in a homage to Yondus arrow rampage in GotG 2 ( Arya is the arrow)
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Apr 29, 2019 21:06
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There's also a bit where she teams up with Rey in The Rise of Skywalker to fight Sheev Palpatine in episode 6, (They reuse the footage of NK dying)
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Apr 29, 2019 21:08
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clown shoes posted:Cersei dies giving birth to a dwarf. still counts as jaime in show
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Apr 29, 2019 21:08
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- Brenn digs up Tywin,s sperms and poisons Cercei with it, fulfilling the prophcy
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Apr 29, 2019 21:09
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still can't believe they made big bad Other look like Ice Joffrey.
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Apr 29, 2019 21:14
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Walder Frey achieved more and had a more devastating impact on the Starks than the Night King. And Walder Frey is only known for being a useless prick.
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Apr 29, 2019 21:20
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Just Chamber posted:This show started out as clearly being about major characters could die at any time, and the likelihood of happy endings was slim to none. Theon and Jorah got good deaths and were in the show from ep1, but yeah they're nowhere near as significant as any of the other leads. Hell Tormund dying probably would get a bigger reaction and he's a secondary character as well.
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Apr 29, 2019 21:22
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For a half a second I thought Brienne actually got murked in the initial charge and that was a real holy poo poo moment for how quickly it happened. That would have created some tension.
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Apr 29, 2019 21:23
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clown shoes posted:Cersei dies giving birth to a dwarf. Nah, Qyburn turns the baby into a white walker or she has to sacrifice it to do some other heinous magic bullshit. e: This would also be why Jaime kills her. That dude won't kill her for anything but sacrificing their last kid to hold onto power through weird hell-magic. Admiral Ray fucked around with this message at 21:39 on Apr 29, 2019 |
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Apr 29, 2019 21:24
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Crimpolioni posted:For a half a second I thought Brienne actually got murked in the initial charge and that was a real holy poo poo moment for how quickly it happened. That would have created some tension. I for sure thought Brienne and/or Gendry would die this episode, since they had such big scenes last week. Jaime and Tyrion have to survive to finish off the Lannister plot imho so they were always safe, as well as obvs Sansa, Jon and Dany. Anyone else I could have seen dying tho up to and including Varys, who will die for sure at some point b/c melly sanders said so e: arya is always safe too b/c gurmwife
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Apr 29, 2019 21:27
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One of Brienne, Arya and Jaime should have died that episode, but only Jaime of those has his own plot left so not him really. Arya for the big oh gently caress. Rhaegal should have also died as well, but in a way where he can't be used by the NK, so like Viserion bites his head clean off so he can't 2v1 Drogon. Theon and Jorah got fitting send offs overall.
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Crimpolioni posted:For a half a second I thought Brienne actually got murked in the initial charge and that was a real holy poo poo moment for how quickly it happened. That would have created some tension. Brienne spent the whole show getting little 1-2 minute scenes of her bellowing like an Ogre and hacking and whacking zombies. I will give Gwendoline Christie credit. She acts the hell out of her battle scenes.
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Apr 29, 2019 21:36
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Josuke Higashikata posted:One of Brienne, Arya and Jaime should have died that episode, but only Jaime of those has his own plot left so not him really. Arya for the big oh gently caress. this is game of thrones. people aren't meant to get fitting send-offs. they are supposed to be crushed horribly in what you think is going to be their hour of triumph. this has become a different, worse show. and don't you dare give me the whole 'subverting expectations by actually being rote fantasy instead of subverting expectations' excuse
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Apr 29, 2019 21:43
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This is all a fake "happy ending" before everyone dies and Cersei wins
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god i hope so. honestly she should. the most ruthless takes the crown.
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esperterra posted:Nah, NK is a show only thing and D&D have been hemmin and hawin over who gets to kill him since deciding a few seasons ago that Jon won't do it.
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Apr 29, 2019 22:01
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PostNouveau posted:Lots of things are heavily implied in the books, but GRRM isn't going to reveal big cosmic truths to his characters. Even Bran, who will know way more than anyone else, isn't gonna get a sit-down with god who then explains that the Faceless Men are correct in worshipping the Many-Faced God who is all other gods combined or anything like that. I was complaining about this to friends and they’re all like “duh what do you think the prequel is for” and I hate how right they are
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Small White Dragon posted:I'm willing to bet there's a similar character in TWOW, but with a different name. Great Other, perhaps? I'd imagine there's def some kind of big bad or ruler of The Others, for sure. But I expect the nonexistant books would have idk explained him and who they are a bit. They're p clearly just another race of otherworldly being ala the CotF, but  maybe the Children creating them is a book thing, too. If it is I expect it's got some reasoning behind it.e: didn't the prequel recently get canned or was that #fakenews
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Apr 29, 2019 22:25
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GRRM has no idea how to tie all of it together, that's why he hasn't done it and probably won't ever
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Chadzok posted:this is game of thrones. people aren't meant to get fitting send-offs. they are supposed to be crushed horribly in what you think is going to be their hour of triumph. this has become a different, worse show. The show (and the books) have that reputation but it's not really earned. How many times has a major character been killed suddenly and undramatically? Maybe the Red Wedding or Ned's execution but what else?
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Apr 29, 2019 22:30
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The others won't have a physical leader much like the children of the forest don't have, it's a disembodied hive mind centered within the corrupted weirwood at the heart of winter.
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Apr 29, 2019 22:32
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Josuke Higashikata posted:Walder Frey achieved more and had a more devastating impact on the Starks than the Night King. To be fair, Walder Frey had best guy Tywins backing.
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Apr 29, 2019 22:38
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WrightOfWay posted:The show (and the books) have that reputation but it's not really earned. How many times has a major character been killed suddenly and undramatically? Maybe the Red Wedding or Ned's execution but what else? Jaime getting his hand chopped off by some randos was pretty shocking.
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Apr 29, 2019 22:39
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WrightOfWay posted:The show (and the books) have that reputation but it's not really earned. How many times has a major character been killed suddenly and undramatically? Maybe the Red Wedding or Ned's execution but what else? eyeball gouge Tywin toilet all three Lannister children loving Renly Everyone that Cersei exploded Come on dude there is way more from the books and the early show I can’t be hosed The point is not to die suddenly and undramatically, but don’t write characters into situations that you’re not willing to follow through with. The lasting image from this episode for me is useless Tarly, crying and laying in a pile of weights that are trying to kill him, crying as he slays them by the hundreds, crying in fear as the pile of his enemies grows around him
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Small White Dragon posted:I'm willing to bet there's a similar character in TWOW, but with a different name. Great Other, perhaps? Nah, the Night King is a plot point Weiss and Benioff came up with on their own. They needed a way to resolve the white walker plot line decisively. Martin doesn't know how to do it without trivializing the whole thing. They were a metaphor for climate change, the inevitable doom resulting from past action beyond the control of those today, a sort of original sin. They form a good backdrop for the human struggles and stories, but make for a terrible direct conflict. E: emanresu tnuocca posted:The others won't have a physical leader much like the children of the forest don't have, it's a disembodied hive mind centered within the corrupted weirwood at the heart of winter. This would make the most sense to me. The First Men chopped down poo poo loads of weirwoods so having the Others be the physical manifestation of the harm to the world and seek to freeze everything and kill all humans would fit thematically. Admiral Ray fucked around with this message at 22:49 on Apr 29, 2019 |
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WrightOfWay posted:The show (and the books) have that reputation but it's not really earned. How many times has a major character been killed suddenly and undramatically? Maybe the Red Wedding or Ned's execution but what else? Karl Drogo comes to mind. He was supposed to mount the whole world. Also, Raeghar, who was the ~Prince that was Promised~. Tywin the mastermind. Also, Theon in Winterfell. Then Balon Greyjoy. Lysa Stark. Or Marcella. The show also killed Julien Bashier. THE AWESOME GHOST posted:I was complaining about this to friends and they’re all like “duh what do you think the prequel is for” and I hate how right they are This makes so much sense. IRC the spin-off is already in pre-production so they probably wanted to give their show runners a clean slate with the Night Kong( or didn't want to spoiler anything) GABA ghoul fucked around with this message at 22:51 on Apr 29, 2019 |
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Opferwurst posted:This makes so much sense. IRC the spin-off is already in pre-production so they probably wanted to give their show runners a clean slate with the Night Kong( or didn't want to spoiler anything) Ah, the Night Kong, the terrifying Ice Ape from the northern wastes. Turns out the Wights are brought in in barrels he throws over walls.
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Admiral Ray posted:They were a metaphor for climate change, the inevitable doom resulting from past action beyond the control of those today, a sort of original sin. People say that a lot, but has Grum ever commented on this interpretation? IRC the first books came out in the 90s when climate change was still a minor concern for most people. And the way the Others/White Walkers are portrayed is also not very consistent with the effects of climate change(more extreme weather, droughts, floods, food insecurity, social instability, accelerated animal and plant extinction, etc.) How are evil ice zombies a good metaphor for that? e: in the books, there are no signs of the Others being created by the children or hmans or being somehow unnatural in general. There is no "sins of our fathers" element to them there GABA ghoul fucked around with this message at 23:08 on Apr 29, 2019 |
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Opferwurst posted:People say that a lot, but has Grum ever commented on this interpretation? IRC the first books came out in the 90s when climate change was still a minor concern for most people. And the way the Others/White Walkers are portrayed is also not very consistent with the effects of climate change(more extreme weather, droughts, floods, food insecurity, social instability, accelerated animal and plant extinction, etc.) How are evil ice zombies a good metaphor for that? I mean, they're a force of nature that threatens to change the patterns of weather in a way that kills people, you can have metaphors or allegory without 100% unqualified parity between the things being compared. it's incredibly obvious
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Opferwurst posted:People say that a lot, but has Grum ever commented on this interpretation? IRC the first books came out in the 90s when climate change was still a minor concern for most people. And the way the Others/White Walkers are portrayed is also not very consistent with the effects of climate change(more extreme weather, droughts, floods, food insecurity, social instability, accelerated animal and plant extinction, etc.) How are evil ice zombies a good metaphor for that? He has! Not on their cause, specifically, though. quote:Manjoo: Many observers have pointed out that “Game of Thrones” offers a perfect metaphor for understanding climate change. What do you think of this interpretation?
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they arent, grrm didnt have some broad thematic idea behind any of this. game kf thrones is written as a tv script
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Frog Act posted:I mean, they're a force of nature that threatens to change the patterns of weather in a way that kills people, you can have metaphors or allegory without 100% unqualified parity between the things being compared. it's incredibly obvious If it's a metaphor or allegory, it's an incredibly lovely one. The solution to the White Walkers is a united military effort and battle to the last man. The solution to climate change is a huge diplomatic effort, peaceful cooperation and a introspective readjustment of our life styles. The White Walkers are an intelligent, scheming and hateful evil. Climate change is an indifferent, unguided process. And so on. They work much better as a metaphor for the rise of fascism in the 30s or modern day. Or the the Mongol invasion. Or a billion other things that are not climate change.
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Night King is immune to fire because reasons, fine, whatever, but is his armor made out of his skin or something? Why didn't it burn off? We should have gotten 15 minutes of him wandering Winterfell like an ice-donged Dr. Manhattan, I guess is what I'm trying to say.
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the metaphor works because, just like the night king, we can wait until the 11th hour to deal with climate change and the solution is actually simple and straightforward
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Apr 29, 2019 23:20
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Well if grrm sees parallels between the walkers and climate change, that's the one thing. Claiming that he built it as a specific metaphor another. The interview really points towards the former option and it's depending on interpretation, which is fair, I guess. Only that climate change is wildly harder to kill and won't fall into a boy sitting somewhere trap.
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if we can kill the first smoke stack.. we can kill them all..
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