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Ford must be hurting to sell trucks. I just got a 4K private cash offer in the mail from them. 4K off in addition to all other publicly available discounts and rebates. I've gotten private cash offers in the past before for 500 or 750 bucks, but never 4K. The 4K is only good on 2018/2019 F-150 trucks (excludes Raptor of course), and good for 750 off anything else that isn't a special type car (Focus RS, GT350, etc). You can pretty much always find an F-150 XLT "chrome and tow" for 13,500 off around here, another 4K off is a hell of a deal.
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Apr 29, 2019 20:03
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People might be realizing that while driving a truck is cool and fun, it's also pretty poo poo and annoying. I like my truck, but I'll likely be driving a compact car a year from now.
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Apr 29, 2019 20:05
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I was shopping for an F-150 but I just really enjoy my sedan more. I don't really need the utility of a truck, and didn't really care for the way they drove so I finally put that idea to bed. I was at the point where I needed to either decide to keep my SHO or get rid of it now, and I'm going to keep it. I still really like the car, and I just don't like the trucks I drove. I've driven fast sedans most of my life, and I'll probably keep doing so.
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Apr 29, 2019 20:22
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To be fair, sedans are becoming less of an option. Sedan buyers inexplicably went to trucks and trucks got crazy expensive because like 90% of truck buyers don't actually want a truck, they want a sedan that looks like a truck. The US vehicle market just seems all kinds of hosed up right now. Like, wagons morphed into SUVs which are now just clearly morphing back into wagons again. Nothing really wrong with sedans going away, though. Coupes will always look better and wagons or hatches will always be more practical. They don't really serve any purpose other than being a weird default.
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Apr 29, 2019 21:02
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One area sedans beat hatches/CUVs is cabin acoustics, I get why sedans remain popular for luxury cars
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Apr 29, 2019 21:09
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It drives (no pun intended) me nuts that the handful of vehicles I'm interested in buying are so low volume that trying to get to test drive or deal on one is an exercise in frustration meanwhile I see stories like this. https://jalopnik.com/unsold-new-cars-are-overflowing-into-empty-shopping-cen-1834377349 I'm starting to not buy the whole "everyone wants trucks, suvs, and cuvs" thing because clearly there's a supply side issue going on right now. My local mall has a sizable section of parking lot taken up by unsold Jeeps. The Ford and Subaru dealerships have them parked at an abandoned theater that's in a flood plain. Hundreds of vehicles. bull3964 fucked around with this message at 21:18 on Apr 29, 2019 |
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Apr 29, 2019 21:13
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bull3964 posted:It drives (no pun intended) me nuts that the handful of vehicles I'm interested in buying are so low volume that trying to get to test drive or deal on one is an exercise in frustration meanwhile I see stories like this. I think I made a post to this effect a few days ago, but everything with the vehicle market right now is an artifact of the way that dealerships purchase vehicles. I was recently in the market for a 5-6 year old F30 with a 6MT. I know two people who work in two separate BMW dealerships not too far from me, and I got the same story from both of them: neither dealership really likes having new MT cars on the lot because they sit for too long, but used cars with MTs? Gone so fast that neither one of them was even willing to give me a heads up when they had one on the lot. Dealerships want to stock the least offensively optioned vehicles possible so that they move, and it's creating a huge glut of cars that most people maybe kind of sort of want and basically nothing else. Also probably has a lot to do with the fact that we're clearly at or past the peak of the current credit cycle. Paradoxish fucked around with this message at 21:23 on Apr 29, 2019 |
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Apr 29, 2019 21:20
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Wheeee posted:People might be realizing that while driving a truck is cool and fun, it's also pretty poo poo and annoying.
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Apr 29, 2019 21:32
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You either have the money to get exactly what you want or you can settle for 85% of it in white/silver/black. It mirrors the death of the middle class and the market only really catering to one of the two groups left.
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Apr 29, 2019 21:34
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Just because you got something in the mail does not mean trends are changing. Absolutely nobody is buying small cars, everyone is buying trucks. Ford is having no trouble selling trucks. This trend has done nothing but accelerate for like 5 years. The truck is now the primary car, the secondary car, the backup secondary car, and what every kid is learning to drive in. for Jan-Mar: quote:Ford’s reported a 1.6% first-quarter drop in sales with passenger car sales down 23.7% in the quarter, while truck sales rose by 4.1% and sport utility vehicle sales rose 5%. The average selling price for the company’s F-150 pickups was $47,454.
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Apr 30, 2019 14:19
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The sad thing is that the cheapest basest econoboxes are finally decent cars, for the first time in history. The Mazda-built Toyota Yaris is excellent and I legitimately like the 2017+ Kia Rio. But nobody's buying either.
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Apr 30, 2019 15:14
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-04-08/new-pickups-come-with-bare-bones-interiors-at-sports-car-pricesquote:The cheapest version of Ford’s market-leading F-150 starts at around $28,000, though one in 10 F-150 buyers spent more than $60,000 
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Apr 30, 2019 15:16
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Just loving lol at spending that much on a truck
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Apr 30, 2019 15:21
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Proud Christian Mom posted:Just loving lol at spending that much on a truck *buys 60k f150* *wrings hands at the idea of getting it dirty*
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Apr 30, 2019 15:22
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dear god people stop spending like 80k on an F150 It can't be worth it; gently caress
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Apr 30, 2019 15:23
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Most trucks (including kitted out $80k F-150s) are still total poo poo in comparison to much, much cheaper cars. There's nothing wrong with trucks if you need one for specific reasons, but it's hilarious that the average American car buyer decided to gravitate towards like one of two options that's legitimately less practical for day-to-day use than a sedan. As a people, we are not bright.
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Apr 30, 2019 15:27
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LMFAO It seems even Ford wasn't ready for this moment.  https://shop.ford.ca/build/superduty/#/select/Config%5B%7CFord%7CSuperDuty%7C2019%7C1%7C1.%7C670A.W4C.176....450.CBC.CEC.YZKAA.DRW.XLL.%5D
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Apr 30, 2019 15:29
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Powershift posted:LMFAO gotta get the offroad package so people know you mean business in your 100k truck: 
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Apr 30, 2019 15:42
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guys, taxes are killing me loving lieberals  *spent $1400/mo leasing an F-150*
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Apr 30, 2019 15:46
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Broke: spending extra money for decal packages from your manufacturer. Woke: putting cheap aftermarket Porsche decals on non-German cars.
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Apr 30, 2019 15:47
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Zorak of Michigan posted:Broke: spending extra money for decal packages from your manufacturer. broke: we added a bunch of extra stuff so it costs more money woke: we took at that stuff out, so it costs even more
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Apr 30, 2019 15:48
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It's pretty mind-boggling that the response to the late-aughts 4-5$/g gas crisis was to accelerate into climate change oblivion with gigantic, gas-guzzling, 50k$ pickups.
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Apr 30, 2019 16:23
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LeeMajors posted:It's pretty mind-boggling that the response to the late-aughts 4-5$/g gas crisis was to accelerate into climate change oblivion with gigantic, gas-guzzling, 50k$ pickups. Gas is forever cheap again though. The great recession is over and we learned our lesson, so I'm basically obligated to over leverage myself with an $80k pickup when I'm already spending 60% of my stagnant income on inflated housing costs!
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Apr 30, 2019 16:28
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LeeMajors posted:It's pretty mind-boggling that the response to the late-aughts 4-5$/g gas crisis was to accelerate into climate change oblivion with gigantic, gas-guzzling, 50k$ pickups. Gas is already back over $4 in CA! 
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Apr 30, 2019 16:39
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LeeMajors posted:It's pretty mind-boggling that the response to the late-aughts 4-5$/g gas crisis was to accelerate into climate change oblivion with gigantic, gas-guzzling, 50k$ pickups. Boomers are collectively the dumbest, most entitled assholes to ever exist on this planet. It’s literally FYGM taken to the logical extreme, and as long as they can have what they want they literally don’t care about the consequences because they’ll all be dead in 20 years while the rest of us are left holding the bag. They’re a goddamn death cult that brought us Regan and Trump, and the sooner they are all worm food the better off we’ll all be.
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Apr 30, 2019 16:42
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I lived in one of the rustiest of rust belt cities in OH and seeing 60K Raptors and brand new lifted F-250s parked in trailer parks just became routine after a while. I’ll never understand it but the Keeping Up With The Jones’s syndrome is so loving strong when it came to pick ups
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Apr 30, 2019 16:44
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Huge_Midget posted:Boomers are collectively the dumbest, most entitled assholes to ever exist on this planet. It’s literally FYGM taken to the logical extreme, and as long as they can have what they want they literally don’t care about the consequences because they’ll all be dead in 20 years while the rest of us are left holding the bag. They’re a goddamn death cult that brought us Regan and Trump, and the sooner they are all worm food the better off we’ll all be. I work in public service. Every mid-20s firefighter has a lifted truck. Many are diesel. Few actually do any side work or towing. While I won't argue about Reagan and Trump and fuckyougotmine-ism, the rot is deeper than the Boomers. The future is bleak, my friend.
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Apr 30, 2019 16:50
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LeeMajors posted:I work in public service. Every mid-20s firefighter has a lifted truck. Many are diesel. Few actually do any side work or towing. My neighbor has a family of 8. Do they have a sensible minivan? Hell naw. Lifted Diesel Excursion Limited on 35" tires. That's the family car. They have a Jeep Renegade and a Prius Prime as their other cars.
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Apr 30, 2019 17:59
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LeeMajors posted:I work in public service. Every mid-20s firefighter has a lifted truck. Many are diesel. Few actually do any side work or towing. These people sincerely believe that the world is going to end anyways because God wants it to so why fight it? They also believe that God will let them into heaven after they've thoroughly hosed up the
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Apr 30, 2019 18:07
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skipdogg posted:My neighbor has a family of 8. Do they have a sensible minivan? Hell naw. Lifted Diesel Excursion Limited on 35" tires. That's the family car. They have a Jeep Renegade and a Prius Prime as their other cars. So they normally commute in the Prius Prime, and only take the Excursion when they absolutely need everyone and need a lot of cargo right?
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Apr 30, 2019 18:16
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skipdogg posted:My neighbor has a family of 8. Do they have a sensible minivan? Hell naw. Lifted Diesel Excursion Limited on 35" tires. That's the family car. They have a Jeep Renegade and a Prius Prime as their other cars. That's like 160 vehicle miles per person per gallon. If you only have 4 people in your 30mpg car, that's only 120 miles per person per gallon.
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Apr 30, 2019 18:19
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The real question is why these people have 6 children.
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Apr 30, 2019 18:19
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Something Offal posted:The real question is why these people have 6 children. In the US it's probably a religious thing. Quiverfull, Mormon, etc...
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Apr 30, 2019 18:22
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Something Offal posted:The real question is why these people have 6 children. It's a miracle, the father got a vasectomy 3 kids ago! For some reason, the kids keep coming out looking like skipdogg though.
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Apr 30, 2019 18:23
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skipdogg himself has like 4 kids already so thats pretty plausible.
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Apr 30, 2019 18:26
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skipdogg posted:My neighbor has a family of 8. Do they have a sensible minivan? Hell naw. Lifted Diesel Excursion Limited on 35" tires. That's the family car. They have a Jeep Renegade and a Prius Prime as their other cars. The diesel excursion should be cheaper to operate than the V10 gasser right? I also knew a family of 9 that put 300k miles on an excursion.
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Apr 30, 2019 18:37
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Maybe we need a progressive carbon tax for vehicles so yeah you can get a mid-size SUV if you have two kids but by the time you have 6 you've all got to ride bikes everywhere.
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Apr 30, 2019 18:38
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Twerk from Home posted:The diesel excursion should be cheaper to operate than the V10 gasser right? I also knew a family of 9 that put 300k miles on an excursion. Not if it's a 6 liter.
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Endymion FRS MK1 posted:So they normally commute in the Prius Prime, and only take the Excursion when they absolutely need everyone and need a lot of cargo right? For the most part. The Jeep is the wife's toy car, and they generally take the Prius unless the whole family is going. The guy is actually pretty green, he put 12 kW of Solar on his roof last summer too. Throatwarbler posted:skipdogg himself has like 4 kids already so thats pretty plausible. Ha, I stopped at 2. Kids are expensive. fknlo posted:In the US it's probably a religious thing. Quiverfull, Mormon, etc... Yeah, they're religious, but they admit the last 2 were unexpected and unplanned. They intended to stop at 4. My other neighbor has 5 kids. The vehicle actually makes sense for them, I was just ribbing on them. They have another house out in the country outside Yellowstone where they get a lot of snow and the vehicle is actually a pretty good match for their needs. skipdogg fucked around with this message at 19:00 on Apr 30, 2019 |
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