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Dias
Feb 20, 2011

by sebmojo

Gruckles posted:

the evolution of dunsparce is dunplentiful

the evolution of dunsparce is

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oddium
Feb 21, 2006

end of the 4.5 tatami age

they call it dunsparce because god made the perfect boy and knew he was "done". the sparce is supposed to be "spruce", god's favorite tree

Bongo Bill
Jan 17, 2012

Gruckles posted:

the evolution of dunsparce is dunplentiful

adundant

RatHat
Dec 31, 2007

A tiny behatted rat👒🐀!
Am I the only one who finds it weird that Sceptile has significantly more Sp. Attack than Attack despite its signature move, Leaf Blade, being physical?

EDIT: Oh, Gen 3 was before the Physical/Special split. Still kinda weird that they gave it Lightning Rod as its Mega Evo ability but whatever.

RatHat fucked around with this message at 01:55 on Apr 30, 2019

Kite Pride Worldwide
Apr 20, 2009



RatHat posted:

Am I the only one who finds it weird that Sceptile has significantly more Sp. Attack than Attack despite its signature move, Leaf Blade, being physical?

It wasn't in Gen 3! It also rapidly became not signature, anyway.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012
Inspired by recent talk in this thread about good vs. bad anime episodes, my top 10 favorite Kanto episodes, in no particular order:
  • Battle Aboard the St. Anne/Pokemon Shipwreck/Island of the Giant Pokemon: I like the way the episodes tie into each other instead of being one-off, as well as the relatively serious/intense tone; there should be more eps like these. These eps also show the advantages of deviating from the games: it allows for surprising developments like the Anne sinking. The subtitles in Island of the Giant Pokemon were a cool idea that I wish they'd used again; did 4Kids nix the idea because they felt it defeated the point of dubbing, or did the writers just never use subtitles again because they forgot about this episode?
  • Charmander – The Stray Pokémon: One of the darker Kanto episodes, but a visceral way (abandonment + threat of death) rather than a "deconstructive" Shudo way. There's a reason everybody remembers this one.
  • The Flame Pokemon-athon: There may be some nostalgia involved here (the first manga I ever read was the Electric Tale of Pikachu adaptation of this episode), but I also like episodes that focus on Pokemon competitions other than conventional fights. Even though it's technically a character-of-the-day episode, it doesn't feel like one.
  • Holy Matrimony!: The episodes that humanize the Team Rocket trio are generally pretty good, even if they tend to introduce contradictions (although that's more of a problem with Jessie-centric episodes than James-centric ones). This is a deeply weird episode full of dark humor, but it also establishes some fundamental points about James' backstory and characterization that the show actually sticks to fairly consistently.
  • The Ultimate Test: Rental Pokemon battles are cool, but I can understand why the anime doesn't show them more often (it would undercut the thematic focus on the bond between Ash and his Pokemon, plus it would take focus away from Pikachu). Like The School of Hard Knocks, this episode focuses on an alternative means of qualification to collecting badges, but here it comes across as a reasonable accommodation for people with health problems or day jobs, as opposed to the more cynical take in The School of Hard Knocks.
  • Volcanic Panic: One of only three times Ash actually earns a Kanto badge by beating the normal gym leader in a fair fight. The focus on exploiting the battlefield is a good example of anime characters using tactics that don't work in the games but still make sense (and follows an infamous bad example in the previous episode: "Pikachu! The horn!").
  • Go West Young Meowth: Another episode that humanizes the Rockets. Also another example of those episodes introducing contradictions (are Meowth normally bipedal or quadrupedal?), but who cares?
  • The Fourth Round Rumble: A tournament episode that features a Bellsprout, of all Pokemon, being totally awesome.

Honorable mentions for Who Gets to Keep Togepi?, Electric Shock Showdown (the one with Lt. Surge), The Ninja Poke-Showdown, and Showdown at Dark City (the Yojimbo one).

And my top 10 least favorite:
  • The School of Hard Knocks: Unlikable characters of the day, a weirdly anti-intellectual message, and cynical undertones that don't really go anywhere. Also Brock's creepiest moment.
  • Hypno's Naptime: There are episodes that revolve around Ash and his friends being idiots, there are episodes that revolve around everyone except Ash and his friends being idiots, and there are episodes like this one, that revolve around everyone including Ash and his friends being idiots.
  • Beauty and the Beach: In questionable taste and rather pointless.
  • The March of the Exeggutor Squad: Another unlikable character of the day.
  • So Near, Yet So Farfetch'd: Unlikable character of the day, weird plotholes.
  • Attack of the Prehistoric Pokemon: Rather pointless; as Dogasu points out, we don't really learn anything about the fossil Pokemon in this episode except that they never actually went extinct (which defeats the whole concept of fossil Pokemon). Also a good example of how underutilized Gary is (perhaps because many of the most significant moments involving Blue in the games are tied to the Rocket-centric plotlines the anime omits, so there's not much left for him to do).
  • The Ancient Puzzle of Pokémopolis: Dogasu views this as basically a less coherent first draft of the second movie, but it would be more accurate to say that they're both examples of one of the anime's standard stock plots, and the second movie just happens to be pretty much the only good version of it. (The Advanced Generation episode Me, Myself, and Time is another example, which combines this plot with elements of the fourth movie's plot and manages to be memorably weird, although I still wouldn't call it good.)
  • Dig Those Diglett!: One of the anime's weaker stock plots (humans are disrupting Pokemon's habitats, the adults change their minds after being lectured by Ash and friends). Also has a wonderfully absurd moment where Gary claims that Diglett move at the speed of light, and actually gives the speed of light (in metric units in the original, in imperial units in the dub) to make clear that this isn't even intended as hyperbole.
  • A Chansey Operation: The doctor's behavior towards Misty in this episode makes it feel even skeevier than Beauty and the Beach.
  • To Master the Onix-pected: Meh.

I actually had to stretch a bit to find 10 I really disliked, although there are a couple (like The Problem with Paras and Make Room for Gloom) that fall into the same "meh" category as To Master the Onix-pected. I guess Kanto was better than I remember.

Silver2195 fucked around with this message at 16:52 on Apr 30, 2019

Crosscontaminant
Jan 18, 2007

Cutting the Farfetch'd evolution was hands down the best decision made in the development of Gold and Silver.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

Crosscontaminant posted:

Cutting the Farfetch'd evolution was hands down the best decision made in the development of Gold and Silver.

Is your issue with the design (which is a bit overly suggestive - not that that stopped Game Freak from giving us Lopunny and Salazzle) or with the idea of Farfetch'd evolving (because you consider Farfetch'd being useless to be :thejoke:)?

Zuzie
Jun 30, 2005

I got this for a Ratatta on GTS.


Farfetch'd's is based on a Japanese idiom about a surprisingly convenient coincidence. In this case, a wild duck that comes with its own seasoning. Or it can be read as being easy to con.

Basically the whole point of its character is that it seems like a good deal, but in reality, it isn't. It's role in Red and Blue is that you're basically giving up a Spearow (which can evolve into a much stronger Fearow) for a weak Pokémon who'll remain weak.

Then there's the whole issue of Game Freak just increasing its stats in Gen 6 so that its attack stat is now 90 and changing how Critical Hits work so that Farfetch'd can abuse that. X and Y also turned the situation on its head where you can make a trade for a Farfetch'd like in Red and Blue... Only to find out that its actually at least useful against the first gym leader (who happens to be a Bug type specialist).

Zuzie fucked around with this message at 04:46 on Apr 30, 2019

Wyvernil
Mar 10, 2007

Meddle not in the affairs of dragons... for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.

Zuzie posted:

Farfetch'd's is based on a Japanese idiom about a surprisingly convenient coincidence. In this case, a wild duck that comes with its own seasoning. Or it can be read as being easy to con.

Basically the whole point of its character is that it seems like a good deal, but in reality, it isn't. It's role in Red and Blue is that you're basically giving up a Spearow (which can evolve into a much stronger Fearow) for a weak Pokémon who'll remain weak.

Then there's the whole issue of Game Freak just increasing its stats in Gen 6 so that its attack stat is now 90 and changing how Critical Hits work so that Farfetch'd can abuse that. X and Y also turned the situation on its head where you can make a trade for a Farfetch'd like in Red and Blue... Only to find out that its actually at least useful against the first gym leader (who happens to be a Bug type specialist).

So essentially the reverse of Magikarp - a pokemon that seems useless at first, but evolves into something awesome if you have the patience to build it up. Only this one actually is a bum deal.

Though it seems like there's too many pokemon that seem to be there for a silly gimmick and aren't actually useful (Unown, for example). Pokemon can have a gimmick and still be viable in play - like Eevee and its evolutions, most of which are pretty strong for their type.

thetoughestbean
Apr 27, 2013

Keep On Shroomin

Wyvernil posted:

Though it seems like there's too many pokemon that seem to be there for a silly gimmick and aren't actually useful (Unown, for example).

You take back what you said about my precious children, Delibird and Sudowoodo

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?
has anyone made a "Ayatollah Acerola" meme yet

Flopsy
Mar 4, 2013

Geostomp posted:

Agreed. You can make something for kids, even a glorified toy commercial, but still make it good. See Beast Wars for an example of that.

Oh dude absolutely, that show actually made me cry when Dinobot died.

RatHat
Dec 31, 2007

A tiny behatted rat👒🐀!
Hidden Pokémon in OR/AS is a really great mechanic but I wish you were immune to wild battles while sneaking so you didn’t have to use repels.

Super Training is also really cool but seems like it’d still be faster to just grind on wild Pokémon.

Amie is just as ridiculous as it is in S/M. I think I’ll just leave my Pokémon at level 2 for the boosted exp

RatHat fucked around with this message at 09:45 on Apr 30, 2019

BlazetheInferno
Jun 6, 2015

RatHat posted:

Hidden Pokémon in OR/AS is a really great mechanic but I wish you were immune to wild battles while sneaking so you didn’t have to use repels.

Super Training is also really cool but seems like it’d still be faster to just grind on wild Pokémon.

GOD I miss Super Training.

RatHat
Dec 31, 2007

A tiny behatted rat👒🐀!
Are Celebi in Crystal Virtual Console and Deoxys in OR/AS the only "legit" ways to get mythical Pokemon at the moment?

EDIT: Also if DexNav isn't in Sw/Sh Gamefreak is dumb

RatHat fucked around with this message at 10:26 on Apr 30, 2019

less laughter
May 7, 2012

Accelerock & Roll
You can also get Mew from the Pokéball Plus, Magearna from the QR code for SM/USUM, and Meltan for LGPE from Go.

RatHat
Dec 31, 2007

A tiny behatted rat👒🐀!
Ah right I forgot about Let's Go. Can you even transfer from Let's Go to the main games right now though?

less laughter
May 7, 2012

Accelerock & Roll
LGPE *are* mainline games.

But if your question is if you can transfer Meltan/Melmetal back to SM/USUM then no, they didn't exist in those yet.

It's similar to how the ORAS Megas and Hoopa Unbound can't be sent to XY, and Zeraora and the new UBs from USUM can't be sent to SM.

RatHat
Dec 31, 2007

A tiny behatted rat👒🐀!
Yeah but can you transfer the Mew?

Paul.Power
Feb 7, 2009

The three roles of APCs:
Transports.
Supply trucks.
Distractions.

Zuzie posted:

Then there's the whole issue of Game Freak just increasing its stats in Gen 6 so that its attack stat is now 90 and changing how Critical Hits work so that Farfetch'd can abuse that.
I've talked about him before, but my Farfetch'd Donald Dunn that I bred up specifically for my Ultra Moon run is a lot of fun:

  • Between the Stick and Pokemon Refresh, every hit's a crit.
  • Adamant nature, 31 attack IV and Defiant ability (always hilarious when I manage to get that to proc) to make the most out of that 90 base attack
  • Bred on First Impression (Farfetch'd getting First Impression via Smeargle egg move shenanigans in USUM was what drew me to going for this as an idea) as well as Quick Attack and Leaf Blade. First Impression and Quick Attack are especially useful because you can ignore speed and just minmax everything into Farfetch'd's one decent stat.

Sure, that's a lot of effort for breeding a mon that would still be useless in competitive, but he can go toe-to-toe with most things in the story and be a valuable member of the team.

Vinylshadow
Mar 20, 2017

Gruckles posted:

the evolution of dunsparce is dunplentiful

So Landorus is the evo of Dunsparce, as it lives at the Abundant Shrine

That explains so much

Countblanc
Apr 20, 2005

Help a hero out!

Wyvernil posted:

like Eevee and its evolutions, most of which are pretty strong for their type.

Not really

Zore
Sep 21, 2010
willfully illiterate, aggressively miserable sourpuss whose sole raison d’etre is to put other people down for liking the wrong things

Countblanc posted:

Not really

Espeon, Jolteon, Vaporeon and Sylveon are all pretty good.

50% ain't bad.

less laughter
May 7, 2012

Accelerock & Roll
Umbreon was OU in gens II and IV

Cipher Pol 9
Oct 9, 2006


Leafeon is strong.

she may not be good, but she is strong

Dehry
Aug 21, 2009

Grimey Drawer
https://twitter.com/nautilus494/status/1123307440395649025

Pokemon Pass

Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
LOWTAX'S SPINE FUND

Well, they can never say they ran out of cards anymore. And sending the QR code should be simple enough.

That still doesn't loving explain why they don't use the wi-fi delivery system they've had for several generations but I guess I shouldn't even think about it at this point.

Super No Vacancy
Jul 26, 2012

is shiny pikachu supposed to look different

Super No Vacancy
Jul 26, 2012

Blaze Dragon posted:

Well, they can never say they ran out of cards anymore. And sending the QR code should be simple enough.

That still doesn't loving explain why they don't use the wi-fi delivery system they've had for several generations but I guess I shouldn't even think about it at this point.

cant share your consumer information with their retail partner if youre connecting your switch to the wifi in the comfort of your home

Vinylshadow
Mar 20, 2017

Super No Vacancy posted:

is shiny pikachu supposed to look different

Should've had the shinies match the idea of Shiny Pichu

Shiny Pichu has Pikachu's colors
Shiny Pikachu has Raichu's colors
Shiny Raichu has Pichu's colors

As it stands, Shiny Raichu sorta uses the scrapped Gorochu colors

mastajake
Oct 3, 2005

My blade is unBENDING!


Just read the headline, so sorry if it's in the article, but what is the point of giving out shiny Pokemon in the game where getting one legitimately is the easiest it's ever been? I have 6 shiny Pikachu there.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012
Random anime thought: The Murkrow that gives you the password in GSC was a missed opportunity for the anime. They could have had a subplot where a snarky talking Murkrow hangs out with Butch and Cassidy, proclaiming himself Meowth's rival, and then Murkrow turns out to be a spy for Karen of the Elite Four and gives Lance the password. Murkrow could occasionally show up in future regions to give messages to Lance or Looker, and there would be a running gag of Meowth being hypocritically angry at Murkrow for being underhanded and obsessed with shiny things. Murkrow could even get his own boss fantasies involving the Elite Four instead of Giovanni.

...Actually, all that sounds so much like the sort of thing the anime writers would come up with I'm a little surprised they didn't.

Mraagvpeine
Nov 4, 2014

I won this avatar on a technicality this thick.
I didn't see this mentioned in the thread yet, but Murata, the artist of One-Punch Man, drew some Pokemon stuff.

Super No Vacancy
Jul 26, 2012

mastajake posted:

Just read the headline, so sorry if it's in the article, but what is the point of giving out shiny Pokemon in the game where getting one legitimately is the easiest it's ever been? I have 6 shiny Pikachu there.

do you think this is in the article. do you think normal people would prefer to chain like 100 catches

RatHat
Dec 31, 2007

A tiny behatted rat👒🐀!
Goddamn the Amie mini games get hard.

Pentaro
May 5, 2013


Mraagvpeine posted:

I didn't see this mentioned in the thread yet, but Murata, the artist of One-Punch Man, drew some Pokemon stuff.
Featuring the two best protagonists :krad:

Vinylshadow
Mar 20, 2017

RatHat posted:

Goddamn the Amie mini games get hard.

I tend to stop once I reach 999 on the yarn one, then go for a combo to make it an even 1234

You eventually reach a zen mode and it becomes automatic

Mraagvpeine
Nov 4, 2014

I won this avatar on a technicality this thick.

Pentaro posted:

Featuring the two best protagonists :krad:

I can understand Ruby, but Whitley? Really?

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RatHat
Dec 31, 2007

A tiny behatted rat👒🐀!
Is there a spreadsheet of goon ORAS friend codes? Having friends is nice for grinding O-powers.

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