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Apr 25, 2019 07:57
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The human first empire is allegedly named after the Imass First Empire, but nobody ever refers to the Imass First Empire. The Imass got bloody everywhere, but more as clans and tribes, not really the Imperial types. I do like the vague retcon/deliberate fuzzyness about the Four Founding Races, who a) have no reason to be grouped together, and b) didn't found poo poo.
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Apr 25, 2019 10:07
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Strom Cuzewon posted:The human first empire is allegedly named after the Imass First Empire, but nobody ever refers to the Imass First Empire. The Imass got bloody everywhere, but more as clans and tribes, not really the Imperial types. The four founding races of civilzation: 1. Jhaghut - basically eremites who gave up on civilization 2. Imass - hunter gatherer cavemen 3. K'Chain Che'Malle - Questionable whether a hive mind constitutes a civilization 4. Forkrul Assail - Actually forms a civilization and kills their god. Of these, only Imass can be considered to be somewhat forefathers to humans, even though Jhaghut and Forkrul can interbreed with humans. Best interbreeding K'Chain Che'Malle example is probably the Shake. But in neither case does they form a civilization that humans take over.
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Apr 25, 2019 10:37
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Cardiac posted:. Wait, what? I thought the Shake were descended from some Tiste Andii. it's been a while since I read the books, but that's what I remember.
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Apr 25, 2019 10:49
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Aranan posted:Wait, what? I thought the Shake were descended from some Tiste Andii. it's been a while since I read the books, but that's what I remember. It is not so much interbreeding, but rather contamination of the Shake by nanomachines that is hereditary.
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Apr 25, 2019 11:04
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User posted:The First Empire You mean Dessimbelackis' empire? They were humans.
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Apr 25, 2019 11:15
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Cardiac posted:It is not so much interbreeding, but rather contamination of the Shake by nanomachines that is hereditary. Presumably where the lizard-mice and catfish monsters come from too.
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Apr 25, 2019 11:47
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Memories of Ice, Prologue and Chapters 1-6 Erickson has spent most of the first two books dancing around the backstory and overreaching arc of his series, this all changes with book three. Alien gods get tricked and accidentally nuke continents and gods get cursed. A bunch of crazy new races show up including dino-wights and an entire culture of Mortal Kombat ninjas. Plus Paran is a demi-god now? Ok then. Lots of gods are involved to fight the Pannions. It sounds like they are connected to the Jaghuts who got stuck in the warren rift. I guess the crippled god is the big bad guy of the series. He got a bit hosed over TBQH.
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Apr 25, 2019 11:50
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quote:I guess the crippled god is the big bad guy of the series. He got a bit hosed over TBQH. He sure did and he's actually one of my favorite characters. LOLOL
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Apr 25, 2019 16:45
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Leospeare posted:You mean Dessimbelackis' empire? They were humans. It's been a while, but I'm virtually positive there was an Imass First Empire. We don't hear much about it, other than the occasional reference. The human First Empire not actually being first is a bit of a gag.
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Apr 25, 2019 18:34
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Yeah, the First Empire was human, but the imass have a throne that mind controls all of them for no reason that was ever really explained 
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Apr 25, 2019 18:38
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Clark Nova posted:Yeah, the First Empire was human, but the imass have a throne that mind controls all of them for no reason that was ever really explained If doesn't actually control them, and they do have their own first empire.
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Apr 25, 2019 19:03
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http://searchofthefallen.com Memories of Ice on the First Empires edit: Spoiler tags for NoNotTheMindProbe The Bonecaster sighed and continued to stare upward, seeking any evidence that the passage had gone awry. It seemed, however, that no wounds had reopened, no gush of wild power bled from the portal. Did it look different? She could not be sure. This was new land for her; she had nothing of the bone-bred sensitivity that she had known all her life among the lands of the Tarad clan, in the heart of the First Empire. ----------------- But a strong god could ignore the scavengers that trailed in his wake, and K'rul was a strong god. Temples had been raised in his name. Blood had for generations soaked countless altars in worship of him. The nascent cities were wreathed in the smoke of forges, pyres, the red glow of humanity's dawn. The First Empire had risen, on a continent half a world away from where K'rul now walked. An empire of humans, born from the legacy of the T'lan Imass, from whom it took its name. ---------------------- I am Treach – one of many names. Trake, the Tiger of Summer, the Talons of War. Silent Hunter. I was there at the end, one of the few survivors once the T'lan Imass were done with us. Brutal, merciful slaughter. They had no choice – I see that now, though none of us were prepared to forgive. Not then. The wounds were too fresh. Gods, we tore a warren to pieces on that distant continent. Turned the eastlands into molten stone that cooled and became something that defied sorcery. The T'lan Imass sacrificed thousands to cut away the cancer we had become. It was the end, the end of all that promise, all that bright glory. The end of the First Empire. Hubris, to have claimed a name that rightly belonged to the T'lan Imass Guyver fucked around with this message at 19:22 on Apr 25, 2019 |
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Apr 25, 2019 19:19
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Yeah, the First Throne doesn't literally control the Imass, it's just that the race of people who made themselves undead to wage an eternal genocide are pretty into their hierarchy and will generally do what the holder of the First Throne tells them to.
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Apr 25, 2019 19:22
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WrightOfWay posted:Yeah, the First Throne doesn't literally control the Imass, it's just that the race of people who made themselves undead to wage an eternal genocide are pretty into their hierarchy and will generally do what the holder of the First Throne tells them to. Well, KR kinda retcons that. Which btw makes me wonder why the massacre at Aren happened, since that was against Kellanveds wishes.
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Apr 25, 2019 21:20
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The author is making it intentionally confusing because he's an archaelogist and this is the stuff he does. Different cultures claim they were the First Empire and arguably they're all right, all wrong, or there was another empire not even mentioned even before that. It's all unreliable because it's oral histories and from disparate points of view. Kallor claims to have an empire before either of the First Empires, which are 90k(dissem) years and 300k(Imass) before the events of the books. It's in line with his theme that history becomes legends and the legends are often wrong and copied from other people.
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Apr 25, 2019 22:51
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NoNotTheMindProbe posted:Memories of Ice, Prologue and Chapters 1-6 Keep the updates coming! Love seeing an outsider's perspective. I also love how, in deference to a newbie in the thread, the other posts on this page are loving incomprehensible. "the first empire is before the other first empire with the nanobot black hole people"
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Apr 25, 2019 23:01
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89% into Reaper's Gale and all I can think is: Jesus Christ... Okay terrific! And, "yanno, there is such a thing as TMI, Erikson." Something tells me I'm going to be saying those things a lot at the home stretch. However, Good to see Clip get his! Thank you, Trull!
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Apr 26, 2019 03:39
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So I'm reading the first book now, and... Well I'm told it gets better. I like the story and the setting is great but good lord does he ever begin sitting characters who have normal loving conversations? Everything is like "Where do you want to eat," the man snarled, his lips a thin curl. Her breath caught in her throat, as she remembered an ancient poem. "Two all beef patties, special sauce, lettuce, cheese, pickles, onions on a sesame seed bun..." A tear welled up in her eye. "Hood's breath, woman!" The man gruffed, gruffly. "speak plainly!" "You know its name as well as I..." The woman said frowning in a way that was angry and sad at the same time. Her head pounded and she rubbed her temples. Like just have a simple conversation without it being so drat grimdark. Real talk though I am enjoying it
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May 1, 2019 10:54
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Uuuh yeah can I get a Big Ochre combo and extra potsherds?
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May 1, 2019 13:00
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Preternatural potsherds. A subcontinent of inequity and abnegation.
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May 1, 2019 14:06
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Too many wor'ds.
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May 1, 2019 16:15
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The series is plenty dark, but I wouldn't call it grimdark, with the exception of the start of House of Chains (but even that is for a good reason). Oh yeah, and those parts I skipped in Dust of Dreams on reread. And I guess a bunch of the Lether stuff. Hmm, maybe the series is grimdark.
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May 1, 2019 17:19
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Tokelau All Star posted:The series is plenty dark, but I wouldn't call it grimdark, with the exception of the start of House of Chains (but even that is for a good reason). Oh yeah, and those parts I skipped in Dust of Dreams on reread. And I guess a bunch of the Lether stuff. Hmm, maybe the series is grimdark. There are (very) grim parts and (very) dark parts, but I wouldn't describe it as inherently either.
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May 1, 2019 18:26
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Reading Fall of Light and struggling to get through the interminable inner monologues every loving page. (I'm about halfway at the moment). I understand it's a feature of the book (similarly to Toll the Hounds), given who the narrator is, but when the plot is spread as thin as it is it makes it really hard to not just skim read my way through. I'd have preferred Partially-Sighted but Mute Gallan.
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May 1, 2019 19:03
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kingturnip posted:Reading Fall of Light and struggling to get through the interminable inner monologues every loving page. (I'm about halfway at the moment). I enjoy Erikson but I found Fall of Light to be very hard to read, and just read a summary.
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May 1, 2019 19:15
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Jaxyon posted:I enjoy Erikson but I found Fall of Light to be very hard to read, and just read a summary. Fall of light was pretty bad, imo.
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May 1, 2019 19:53
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Jaxyon posted:I enjoy Erikson but I found Fall of Light to be very hard to read, and just read a summary.
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May 1, 2019 20:05
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Big Bad Beetleborg posted:Uuuh yeah can I get a Big Ochre combo and extra potsherds? I'll roll my shoulders to that.
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May 1, 2019 20:20
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i get what he was trying, but killing off most of the Hust Legion off-screen while the old Hust patriarch plays with warhammer models and rants was, uh, not the most interesting choice for me. I do love all the Jaghut and Jhelleck stuff in FoD and FoL though
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May 1, 2019 20:40
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kingturnip posted:Reading Fall of Light and struggling to get through the interminable inner monologues every loving page. (I'm about halfway at the moment). The best monologue is the start of Dust of Dreams. Narrator: Yedan Derryg was not a talkative man, but his thoughts ran for miles Yedan Derryg: *has a five page internal monologue * Also the in-universe narration of TtH was amazing, particularly the bit before the death vignettes ("plunge then, courage collected, into this welter of lives") and I frankly wish the whole series was done like that - switching between, say, Heboric, Duiker, Ormologan, Outrider Hurkochel etc etc
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May 1, 2019 22:12
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I thought all the Yedan Derryg stuff was excellent, easily my favorite part of the last two books.
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May 1, 2019 22:55
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1994 Toyota Celica posted:I do love all the Jaghut and Jhelleck stuff in FoD and FoL though Part of the problem, imo You have boring inner monologues from characters it's impossible to give a poo poo about and then the scene shifts and you've got Hood & Gothos shooting the poo poo and it's awesome and oh now we're back to the POV of some tedious oval office and my eyelids are closing
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May 1, 2019 23:33
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Strom Cuzewon posted:Also the in-universe narration of TtH was amazing, particularly the bit before the death vignettes ("plunge then, courage collected, into this welter of lives") and I frankly wish the whole series was done like that - switching between, say, Heboric, Duiker, Ormologan, Outrider Hurkochel etc etc given the ostensible in-universe author of the eponymous books, i got the impression that Kruppe dictated or ghostwrote those sections for Kaminsod. e: kingturnip posted:Part of the problem, imo just write the jaghut book erickson
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May 1, 2019 23:34
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Yeah pretty much. A few pages of interest, then a bad take on Rosencrantz and Guildenstern for 3 chapters.
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May 1, 2019 23:34
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COOL CORN posted:So I'm reading the first book now, and... Well I'm told it gets better. I like the story and the setting is great but good lord does he ever begin sitting characters who have normal loving conversations? Everything is like  Glad you're enjoying it, though! We love hearing first readers first thoughts so if you feel like posting yours go for it.
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May 2, 2019 08:21
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The series is grimdark but in the original sense of the term. I.e. All out Warhammer style sillyness. **SPOILER ALERT FOR NEW READERS** Memories of Ice Chapters 7 - 13 The Sickening and Heartbreaking Truths of the Pannion Domin. The Important Revelations come thick and fast as we move toward the big confrontation at Capustan. It still annoys me that Erikson uses Iranic forms for city names and then just has random fantasy nonsense for everything else btw. Toc joins up with the cannibal carnival as Lady Envy and friends Goku their way north. It turns out that the Barghast are descended from living Tlan and their ancestor spirits are trying to ascend to goodhood. also All the warrens are made from K'rul's flesh and blood and the crippled god is infecting him. We also get to learn the true nature of the Seer which was heavily hinted at at the start of the book. Poor Toc the Younger gets to suffer a lot in these books. I always get confused when the story focuses on the miscellaneous bridge burners. Those characters all seem to blend together and they never get any Important Revelations to distinguish them. Speaking of Goku I feel the power creep in this series is going to end up with characters obliterating entire planets by the end.
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May 2, 2019 09:40
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The power creep is contained to mostly character interactions so you get a lot of "you can't possibly be stronger than me!" and less of "I'm remaking the planet to suit my needs, deal with it"
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May 2, 2019 10:29
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Lmao at people not liking Fall of Light. That book was the tits and the ending has to be one of the best things ever written. #teamkarkhanas
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May 3, 2019 01:54
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turboraton posted:Lmao at people not liking Fall of Light. That book was the tits and the ending has to be one of the best things ever written. Imagine reading 11 Erikson books and not liking Fall of Light.
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