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At level 1 sleep is actually kinda OP. It does become terrible very quickly, but you can just switch it out then.
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Yeah, Sleep falls off a cliff by like level 5 at the absolute latest, but it's fun and good for the first few levels.
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May 1, 2019 15:29
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Why not just have your ghosts not be resistant/immune to mundane weapons. The D&D police aren't going to lock you up.
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May 1, 2019 15:31
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Infinity Gaia posted:At level 1 sleep is actually kinda OP. It does become terrible very quickly, but you can just switch it out then. I know it's good at low levels, just not fun to me even when it is good.
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May 1, 2019 15:32
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If you're not going to take the two best low level spells, why did you ask for advice? Just take whatever you think is fun?
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May 1, 2019 15:48
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Toshimo posted:Why not just have your ghosts not be resistant/immune to mundane weapons. The D&D police aren't going to lock you up. I'm already doing that. I'm looking for a different mechanic that feels "ghosty" to make them unique and interesting from all the other bags of HP in the MM. I like the moonlight moving around the battlefield idea.
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May 1, 2019 15:54
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Infinity Gaia posted:At level 1 sleep is actually kinda OP. It does become terrible very quickly, but you can just switch it out then. I run a DnD game for some of my students at the high school where I teach. The kid playing a bard has saved the party's asses multiple times using sleep to give everyone the chance to heal up and reposition.
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May 1, 2019 17:38
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Infinity Gaia posted:At level 1 sleep is actually kinda OP. It does become terrible very quickly, but you can just switch it out then. Be careful in AL. Things can get far too much HP if you're the lone level 1 in a party of level 4s.
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May 1, 2019 17:48
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I'm sure it can be found by digging around somewhere in the thread, but is there any decent guidelines for a Swashbuckler/Hexblade? Character is already made but I'm at a level where I can switch things around still. Variant Human, starting feat is adjustable and he's currently Level 4. My thought was to put him at 3 Swash/1 Hex for the time being and then continue on with Rogue.
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May 1, 2019 17:53
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mango sentinel posted:I'm gonna be a level 1 Bard in a party with Barbarian, a Monk, and a Warlock. Healing Word is an auto include but what should my other spell selection be for my first few level?. Cure Wounds doesn't seem worth it until later. Thunderwave is good AoE even if the rest of the party is OK at damage, Heroism could be quite cost effective to cast on the Barbarian, Faerie Fire is a decent debuff. Cure Wounds isn't ever worth it; never take it. Arthil posted:I'm sure it can be found by digging around somewhere in the thread, but is there any decent guidelines for a Swashbuckler/Hexblade? Character is already made but I'm at a level where I can switch things around still. Variant Human, starting feat is adjustable and he's currently Level 4. My thought was to put him at 3 Swash/1 Hex for the time being and then continue on with Rogue. Decide whether you want Hexblade 1 (CHA to melee, Booming Blade), Hexblade 3 (Darkness+Devil's Sight, Imp. Pact Weapon/Book of Ancient Secrets/Mask of Many Faces), or Hexblade 5 (Extra Attack) and take only that many Warlock levels, rest in Rogue. Personally, I'd get to Rogue 5 first before deciding since Uncanny Dodge is so nice.
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May 1, 2019 18:09
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Wouldn't Sleep actually be more viable at higher levels in this version? My reasoning is that the flatter maths makes it more viable to design encounters at advanced levels that are "a large quantity of weak enemies", giving Sleep an ability to reduce the action advantage that the party faces in those situations.
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May 1, 2019 18:39
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JustJeff88 posted:Wouldn't Sleep actually be more viable at higher levels in this version? My reasoning is that the flatter maths makes it more viable to design encounters at advanced levels that are "a large quantity of weak enemies", giving Sleep an ability to reduce the action advantage that the party faces in those situations. Maybe in a relative sense compared to other editions, but it still doesn't hold up well in relation with enemy hp scaling.
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May 1, 2019 18:45
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Conspiratiorist posted:
I'd thought about that. But the way I've got him set up, and this was from Level 1, is his stats are 10 14 14 10 10 16. Suppose sure, I could dump a couple of the other stats to get a 16 DEX early. Will need to think on it.
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May 1, 2019 18:48
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JustJeff88 posted:Wouldn't Sleep actually be more viable at higher levels in this version? My reasoning is that the flatter maths makes it more viable to design encounters at advanced levels that are "a large quantity of weak enemies", giving Sleep an ability to reduce the action advantage that the party faces in those situations. HP scaling may be relatively flat, but Sleep's scaling is even flatter. An additional 2d8 per spell level doesn't even come close to making it worth keeping around. I've only seen it get worse as the game progresses, and most players I've seen stop using it entirely by level 3.
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May 1, 2019 18:56
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Arthil posted:I'd thought about that. But the way I've got him set up, and this was from Level 1, is his stats are 10 14 14 10 10 16. Suppose sure, I could dump a couple of the other stats to get a 16 DEX early. Will need to think on it. Oh, you haven't actually taken any Warlock levels yet? Then just take the one, then Rogue 5, then any additional Warlock levels you decide upon before heading back to Rogue.
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May 1, 2019 18:57
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mango sentinel posted:I'm gonna be a level 1 Bard in a party with Barbarian, a Monk, and a Warlock. Healing Word is an auto include but what should my other spell selection be for my first few level?. Cure Wounds doesn't seem worth it until later. Dissonant Whispers. Use it to provoke opportunity attacks for the barb and monk. Warlock and yourself too if they melee. It can cause a simultaneous team beatdown on the fleeing monster.
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May 1, 2019 19:18
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Conspiratiorist posted:Why do you want DEX 16? Oh no no, I've got 3 levels of rogue and 1 of warlock. This guy has gotten to Level 4 already but we're able to rework before getting to Level 5. Stats had always been planned around a Warlock dip. This originally was a Fighter/Warlock and at the time I had Crossbow Expert for my Variant Human feat. Given I'm switching to Swashbuckler, I guess Lucky is a pretty obvious option unless I wanna go for something RP-focused.
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May 1, 2019 19:32
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Arthil posted:Oh no no, I've got 3 levels of rogue and 1 of warlock. This guy has gotten to Level 4 already but we're able to rework before getting to Level 5. Stats had always been planned around a Warlock dip. This originally was a Fighter/Warlock and at the time I had Crossbow Expert for my Variant Human feat. Given I'm switching to Swashbuckler, I guess Lucky is a pretty obvious option unless I wanna go for something RP-focused. The only other use of a feat I can think of is twisting your stats around a bit and using Resilient (CON) to bump your CON to 16. But Lucky probably ends up doing about the same thing and more, depending on how long your average adventuring day lasts, so it's hardly a clear-cut choice.
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May 1, 2019 20:14
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ritorix posted:Dissonant Whispers. Use it to provoke opportunity attacks for the barb and monk. Warlock and yourself too if they melee. It can cause a simultaneous team beatdown on the fleeing monster. 
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Doing a one shot that may end up not being just a one shot. Custom world, entire group is human. We will be level 10. I want to play a wizard that fucks around with poo poo so I decided Arcane Trickster Rogue 4/Illusion Wizard 6. I really like that I'll have a bunch of cantrips, the ability to do some extra sweet poo poo with my illusions plus having lots of skill proficiency from Rogue as well as able to wear some armour. Our DM is fair and our sessions are not combat heavy. In 18 hours of game time over 3 sessions we have drawn weapons two times and combat has lasted maybe 1hr total. Reading up on some guides apparently my build isn't the way to go due to my character essentially being not great in combat however I don't think that is too much of a concern for this. Was just wondering if anyone had some ideas or feedback on this. I was going to expertise Stealth and Sleight of Hand for the ability to deftly sneak around and steal poo poo as necessary with ease. That combined with illusion spells and invisibly and poo poo like that should make for some fun creative RP and planning. Was just wondering if anyone had done something similar and had some feedback. As far as combat I'd like to pick maybe a couple of spells and just be able to cast with higher level spell slots (so Fireball and maybe some single target spells?). I know my cantrips and my sneak attack damage will be sub par but with our group combat has never been the focus.
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May 1, 2019 21:57
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I think a Bard does your concept better. They have access to tons of illusions, are excellent skillmonkeys, and can be built to handle themselves well in combat. Bards rule.
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May 1, 2019 22:06
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Dungeons & Dragons 5th Edition - Just Roll a Bard Instead
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May 1, 2019 22:13
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Now triple class into Sorcerer for Subtle Spell.
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May 1, 2019 22:37
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plester1 posted:I think a Bard does your concept better. They have access to tons of illusions, are excellent skillmonkeys, and can be built to handle themselves well in combat. So thief into bard instead of wizard?
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May 1, 2019 22:52
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You don't need the Rogue levels if you're going Bard.
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Conspiratiorist posted:You don't need the Rogue levels if you're going Bard. Maybe I should highlight what I'm after the most: I am highly intrigued by the mage hand being able to sleight of hand and unlock locks and want to be able to pull that poo poo off. While also being able to throw around more spells and poo poo that just a rogue can. Essentially I am OK sacrificing combat optimization to be able to do a bunch of tricky jack-knife utility poo poo. But the core of that tricky poo poo is essentially a sneaky mage hand.
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May 1, 2019 22:59
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doctor 7 posted:Maybe I should highlight what I'm after the most: Like... this is just Arcane Trickster Rogue isn't it?
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thespaceinvader posted:Like... this is just Arcane Trickster Rogue isn't it? I would have significantly more spell slots and spells available to me by multiclassing into Wizard from Arcane Trickster Rogue. As well double the amount of cantrips.
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lightrook posted:The only other use of a feat I can think of is twisting your stats around a bit and using Resilient (CON) to bump your CON to 16. But Lucky probably ends up doing about the same thing and more, depending on how long your average adventuring day lasts, so it's hardly a clear-cut choice. Given each session you have is basically a Brand New Day in 70% of all games, yeah. It's honestly a no-brainer.
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I just hit L4 as a bard. My rolled stats are 10, 16, 14, 11, 12, 18. For setting reasons, I went v human and took resilient con. My group is BM Fighter, a Barbarian of some kind, they are swapping it in for their fighter they are replacing, a blaster wizard, and a non-bm ranger, can't remember which one they took. I can't decide if I should do an ASI to 20 cha, or grab another feat. Partly because I am still trying to figure out what I want. My goal with the character, as the most experienced with DnD player at the table is to just fill all the gaps and smooth the edges for the group. I feel like taking the temp hp feat would help shore up a lack of sustain magic which is me and the ranger. But also 20 cha would boost lots of things. What do you guys think? Dameius fucked around with this message at 01:51 on May 2, 2019 |
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May 2, 2019 01:45
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Control. CHA 20 gives a better mod. Instead of temp HP, prevent the damage
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Both CHA 20 and Inspiring Leader are good picks if you're getting 2-3 short rests per long one. You don't need 'sustain magic', though; the Ranger is going to get Healing Spirit next level (and nothing better to use their 2nd level slots on other than that), and you should be buying/crafting pots as you're able. There are no potions that recover spell slots, but a Potion of Healing is basically a hit die for 50 gold a pop.
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Pass Without Trace, Silence and Spike Growth are pretty good tho. They're no Healing Spirit, but Healing Spirit is straight up OP as hell so it's not a fair comparison to make.
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doctor 7 posted:Maybe I should highlight what I'm after the most: A pure bard can do all of this. Mage Hand is a bard cantrip. Compared to wizards, bards also don’t have to prepare their spells ahead of time. This makes them much better suited for utility stuff, especially since they have so much illusion magic. Bards also get Expertise at 3rd level, so they can potentially be just as good at sneakthievery as a rogue. Depending on your bard college choice, you can lean more towards sneaky stuff, combat stuff, or spellcasting. Bards are really loving good.
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By sustain I just meant healing. I've not burned slots in combat healing people and we've gotten by with pots, second wind, and between fight hit die. In combat I've been setting faerie fire and dissonant whisper traps mostly. I am lore, so I was thinking with inspiring leader, I could use my first secrets to get a group buff, like Crusader's Mantle, and maybe something like haste. But with the wizard in the group maybe go with poaching from the non wizard list? Revivify and possibly a second counter spell for the group? Either way, with inspiring leader, it opens up spells choices for other more fun stuff. But also, healing seems managed for now so ASI, yeah?
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plester1 posted:A pure bard can do all of this. Pure bard doesn't get the invisible improved mage hand Arcane Trickster does. You can also pickpocket/reverse pickpocket with it and do stuff like pick locks and such. If his entire concept is 'wants to do cool tricks with mage hand' then he definitely should go Arcane Trickster, who is entirely based around it. Bards aren't the answer to LITERALLY EVERYTHING, guys. Admittedly he could just take 3 levels to get Mage Hand Legerdemain and then multiclass to bard but the point stands.
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I mean at a certain point you gotta realize that 5e doesn't exactly have a ton of player facing options. What you described is an arcane trickster that multiclassed into wizard. Yep. If you're asking for more on top of that, uh, max out intelligence and maybe dexterity. That's about it. That's all the big player facing options you got.
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Infinity Gaia posted:Pure bard doesn't get the invisible improved mage hand Arcane Trickster does. You can also pickpocket/reverse pickpocket with it and do stuff like pick locks and such. If his entire concept is 'wants to do cool tricks with mage hand' then he definitely should go Arcane Trickster, who is entirely based around it. Bards aren't the answer to LITERALLY EVERYTHING, guys. For what it's worth I am seriously considering Rogue 4 / Bard 6 after looking through it. It seems neat for all the skills and whatnot for sure. Not sure I want to be that good at everything and dominate so many rolls though
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The basic problem is that there's very little connection or synergy (sorry) between arcane trickster and bard, and lots of overlap. You're mostly just throwing away 4 levels there, and that's a lot. "But Cirno I want to be an arcane trickster but with good charisma instead of intelligence!" Too bad, 5e doesn't really support it. Change characters or move on.
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So, a question about Kensei monks and their Kensei weapon AC buff. My player read online somewhere that he is suppose to do an unarmed attack before actually attacking with it before it'll count the +2 AC. Where is he possibly getting that from since the description of the abililty doesn't really bring that up at all? It reads like he just have +2 AC as long he's holding it.
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