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| Joe "the liberal who fights busing" Biden |
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27 | 1.40% |
| Bernie "please don't die" Sanders |
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1017 | 52.69% |
| Cory "charter schools" Booker |
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12 | 0.62% |
| Kirsten "wall street" Gillibrand |
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24 | 1.24% |
| Kamala "truancy queen" Harris |
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59 | 3.06% |
| Julian "who?" Castro |
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7 | 0.36% |
| Tulsi "gay panic" Gabbard |
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25 | 1.30% |
| Michael "crimes crimes crimes" Avenatti |
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22 | 1.14% |
| Sherrod "discount bernie" Brown |
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21 | 1.09% |
| Amy "horrible boss" Klobuchar |
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12 | 0.62% |
| Tammy "stands for america" Duckworth |
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48 | 2.49% |
| Beto "whataburger" O'Rourke |
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32 | 1.66% |
| Elizabeth "instagram beer" Warren |
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284 | 14.72% |
| Tom "impeach please" Steyer |
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4 | 0.21% |
| Michael "soda is the devil" Bloomberg |
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9 | 0.47% |
| Joseph Stalin |
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287 | 14.87% |
| Howard "coffee republican" Schultz |
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10 | 0.52% |
Jay "nobody cares about climate change  " Inslee |
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13 | 0.67% |
| Pete "gently caress the homeless" Butt Man |
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17 | 0.88% |
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Taintrunner posted:cash handout The fact that people don't actually even do any sort of homework on reparations before explaining why they aren't possible is indicative of just how much they give a gently caress about black people.
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Jaxyon posted:The fact that people don't actually even do any sort of homework on reparations before explaining why they aren't possible is indicative of just how much they give a gently caress about black people. Yeah it’s a lot of “homework” to understand any well to do white politician can throw out “I support reparations” the ideal, without actually detailing what the actual “reparations” would be. And then immediately forget about it when they take office. Yeah, for sure man. I’m the one that doesn’t give a gently caress.
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May 2, 2019 00:41
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Jaxyon posted:The fact that people don't actually even do any sort of homework on reparations before explaining why they aren't possible is indicative of just how much they give a gently caress about black people. Cool, tell us about it man. What property redistribution are you planning on doing for reparations, liberal?
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May 2, 2019 00:42
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Comey should be the lesson to every Democrat that even "good, establishment, non elected career" Republicans can't be trusted not to gently caress over your life if they think it will help their party. The fact we have several Democrats in this primary running on the idea that the GOP is full of good people is hysterical. There isn't a single decent person in that loathsome organization and that should be a tenant of any "serious" political party.
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May 2, 2019 00:43
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https://mobile.twitter.com/mviser/status/1123733680323792901 Way, way back
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May 2, 2019 00:44
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Taintrunner posted:Yeah it’s a lot of “homework” to understand any well to do white politician can throw out “I support reparations” the ideal, without actually detailing what the actual “reparations” would be. Cash handouts aren't part of most plans for reparations, big guy, either theoretically for blacks, or most examples of reparations globally. It usually consists of targetting programs and infrastructure at black areas and issues. Judakel posted:Cool, tell us about it man. What property redistribution are you planning on doing for reparations, liberal? You do realize whites don't get reparations, right, liberal?
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May 2, 2019 00:46
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Radish posted:Comey should be the lesson to every Democrat that even "good, establishment, non elected career" Republicans can't be trusted not to gently caress over your life if they think it will help their party. The fact we have several Democrats in this primary running on the idea that the GOP is full of good people is hysterical. The fact that we have "Democrats" proselytizing the holy word of Saint Ronnie Reagan in 2019 is just beyond disgusting. Not even republicans give a gently caress about him anymore.
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May 2, 2019 00:46
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Jaxyon posted:Cash handouts aren't part of most plans for reparations, big guy, either theoretically for blacks, or most examples of reparations globally. The “blacks,” you say, wokeishly
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May 2, 2019 00:47
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One thing that gives me a little hope is I don't see Biden doing well in caucuses. Caucuses are social events where the object is to create as much excitement about your candidate as possible. Even Biden's own supporters aren't excited about him. Hell I think Hillary's supporters were more enthusiastic than Biden's.
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May 2, 2019 00:48
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What was the 2004 primary like on the forums?
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May 2, 2019 00:48
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Good on those protestors. I think a lot of the population has gotten the "we have 11 years to really start fixing poo poo in a major way or we're totally hosed" message and a candidate who is centrist on climate change is not going to be offering real solutions to that problem.
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May 2, 2019 00:49
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Jaxyon posted:Cash handouts aren't part of most plans for reparations, big guy, either theoretically for blacks, or most examples of reparations globally. Hey man you didn't answer. Either answer or stick to USPol.
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May 2, 2019 00:50
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God, look at how loving old Biden's crowd is
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May 2, 2019 00:53
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Judakel posted:Cool, tell us about it man. What property redistribution are you planning on doing for reparations, liberal? What's your definition of liberal? I'm curious because in general I find a lot of the self proclaimed leftists who talk poo poo about liberals tend to use definitions that no one who would actually call themselves liberal would resemble. In fact I typically find that the ideology and principles that people try to paint liberals with is literally what self proclaimed conservatives use to define themselves? I mean I get that academia uses historical definitions that applied to liberals 200 years ago but poo poo's changed since then and we've gained a better understanding of reality and what being a liberal is has shifted and it's honestly just loving confusing when people don't recognize that language evolves and that identities shift over time. Liberals of 200 years ago didn't believe the same thing that liberals of today do. The reason that conservatives are attracted to ideas that were liberal 200 years ago is because they like old poo poo and aren't friendly to change. Because here's the reality, when most people use the term liberal they are talking about having progressive attitudes and being open to change and new ideas, When the Righties are talking about sticking it to the libs they aren't talking about neo-liberals or classical liberals they're talking about people like me. People who they view as race and gender traitors , you know us bleeding heart liberals who actually give a gently caress about other people whether they look like us or not.
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May 2, 2019 00:53
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Grammarchist posted:What was the 2004 primary like on the forums? I don't remember the primary but I do remember election night when El Pinto Grande was repeatedly posting "it's not over yet" as the states were coming in and Kerry was looking more and more done. I'm not sure this cycle's Kerry is going to be the same since I don't think anyone is going to be that sure of Biden's success if he stumbles into the general.
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May 2, 2019 00:55
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Taintrunner posted:The “blacks,” you say, wokeishly Maybe one day I'll be woke enough to be able to say that reparations are bad lol Judakel posted:Hey man you didn't answer. Either answer or stick to USPol. I did, but you were probably too busy disregarding minority issues to jerk off white people to notice, lib :-)
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May 2, 2019 00:55
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WampaLord posted:Good on those protestors. I think a lot of the population has gotten the "we have 11 years to really start fixing poo poo in a major way or we're totally hosed" message and a candidate who is centrist on climate change is not going to be offering real solutions to that problem. "I said climate change in 1987! 31 years ago! What more do you want from me?!"
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May 2, 2019 00:57
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theblackw0lf posted:One thing that gives me a little hope is I don't see Biden doing well in caucuses. Caucuses are social events where the object is to create as much excitement about your candidate as possible. Even Biden's own supporters aren't excited about him. A lot fewer caucuses this year, so I don't know that it matters. Iowa, Nevada, Kansas, North Dakota, and Wyoming are all that's left (Maine also, but that's likely to change), and even then the parties are going to give alternative ways to participate. ND and probably WY at holding "firehouse" caucuses (where people can just drop by and cast a vote", Iowa will have remote participation, idk about NV and KS.
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May 2, 2019 00:58
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Jaxyon posted:Maybe one day I'll be woke enough to be able to say that reparations are bad lol You didn't. That was not an answer.
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May 2, 2019 01:01
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This idea that all the racists are already voting Republican is bullshit driven by a desire to not be on the same side as bad people. Broadly people the people voting Democrat are LESS racist than the people Republican but that's not the same as not racist. Not saying its necessarily right that it'd lose more electorally than it'd gain, but if you think its not possible that would happen at all that speak to delusional views about White Democrats.
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May 2, 2019 01:02
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Judakel posted:You didn't. That was not an answer. Oh wait you were the one asking the question about how much do I care about black people after you spent pages saying to ignore them electorally in favor of whites. I guess I didn't answer that, liberal.
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May 2, 2019 01:06
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Anyways, 2016 was a 20 year record low for voter turnout, and Bernie has a good team of people around him to tackle these issues in a way that can win, so I trust his judgement a little more than the guy who drops “the blacks!” in his meltdown.
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May 2, 2019 01:08
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Jaxyon posted:Oh wait you were the one asking the question about how much do I care about black people after you spent pages saying to ignore them electorally in favor of whites. Answer the question, since you love reparations so much.
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May 2, 2019 01:10
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https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/1123603985645088768 I heard this on Hear the Bern the other day but it's a great call to action. Jaxson and Judakel need to gently caress already and get it over with
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May 2, 2019 01:10
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Taintrunner posted:Anyways, 2016 was a 20 year record low for voter turnout, and Bernie has a good team of people around him to tackle these issues in a way that can win, so I trust his judgement a little more than the guy who drops “the blacks!” in his meltdown. ? 2016 had higher turnout than 2012, 2000, and 1996.
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May 2, 2019 01:10
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I think jaxson concedes.
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May 2, 2019 01:13
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Pinterest Mom posted:? No? https://www.cnn.com/2016/11/11/politics/popular-vote-turnout-2016/index.html
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May 2, 2019 01:19
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reignonyourparade posted:This idea that all the racists are already voting Republican is bullshit driven by a desire to not be on the same side as bad people. Broadly people the people voting Democrat are LESS racist than the people Republican but that's not the same as not racist. Yeah, I don't think "more or less racist" is necessarily the right way to look at it, because of course many many people who vote D are racist as hell; like my grandma is a lifelong democrat and just incredibly racist (and also a Biden supporter sigh). I think the framing is how motivating race is as a voting priority for that group. It's not that the suburbs are less racist than rural areas, it's that white rural areas see themselves as much more at threat by racial diversity and as such racial cultural issues are a much larger voting priority
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May 2, 2019 01:23
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Judakel posted:Answer the question, since you love reparations so much. I love reparations so much, I will marry them. Judakel posted:I think jaxson concedes. LOL you are literally trying to play "who's more woke" by focusing on whites, ignoring minorities,and making GBS threads on the idea of reparations. You suck at this. Get on my level, liberal.
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May 2, 2019 01:27
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Z. Autobahn posted:Yeah, I don't think "more or less racist" is necessarily the right way to look at it, because of course many many people who vote D are racist as hell; like my grandma is a lifelong democrat and just incredibly racist (and also a Biden supporter sigh). I think the framing is how motivating race is as a voting priority for that group. It's not that the suburbs are less racist than rural areas, it's that white rural areas see themselves as much more at threat by racial diversity and as such racial cultural issues are a much larger voting priority I was speaking more in a sense it averages as far as more or less.
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May 2, 2019 01:27
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May 2, 2019 01:29
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Taintrunner posted:No? https://www.cnn.com/2016/11/11/politics/popular-vote-turnout-2016/index.html Vote counts are a lot slower now than they were in the past because of vote by mail and absentee ballots in big states, especially California. The actual vote counts didn't finalize until ~late November, and that article is from November 11th. 
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May 2, 2019 01:34
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Jaxyon posted:I love reparations so much, I will marry them. You already conceded, lanyard. Chill out.
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May 2, 2019 01:39
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Judakel posted:You'd lose Asians. You'd lose Hispanics. You'd lose white professionals. You'd just lose. They wouldn't vote Republican. They'd probably just not vote. No one wants to pay for that, regardless of how just it may be. You'd think people would understand by now: universal = popular. Not universal = don't care. At least as far as social programs. People would happily cut SSI if it saved them a few bucks. Taintrunner posted:For the serious political discussion board, it seems like nobody arguing for the vague ideal of reparations, which is a complicated issue and process nobody actually agrees on how to implement, has considered the political consequences that would easily wipe out any progress made by implementing such a policy. Both true. Social policies have to be universal or else they splinter coalitions. Anyone who is seriously proposing targeted race-based reparations as a policy platform in 2020 is insane. I don't think any of the Democratic candidates have actually endorsed that idea yet, they have just broadly endorsed economic policies that would benefit minority populations around "the discussion about reparations" which are not in any way the same as reparations. Reparations in the traditional "cash for grievance" sense wouldn't work and wouldn't gain a single vote, since 90% of African Americans already vote Democrat and the 10% who don't surely don't need reparations. A package of universal social policies focused on M4A and student loan debt forgiveness (i.e. the top two bullet points of Sanders' platform) are the best way to go, because barring a recession, it's going to be hard to go against Trump on the economy with record low black unemployment. That item will assuredly be Trump's main talking point when the debates come around to this topic. But it's easy to frame the problems within the economy around the crippling debt and insecurity people have from the high costs of healthcare and education that the job market is doing absolutely nothing to assuage, and hopefully the eventual candidate makes that a prominent point of focus.
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May 2, 2019 01:48
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Libertine posted:Both true. Social policies have to be universal or else they splinter coalitions. Anyone who is seriously proposing targeted race-based reparations as a policy platform in 2020 is insane. I don't think any of the Democratic candidates have actually endorsed that idea yet, they have just broadly endorsed economic policies that would benefit minority populations around "the discussion about reparations" which are not in any way the same as reparations. Reparations in the traditional "cash for grievance" sense wouldn't work and wouldn't gain a single vote, since 90% of African Americans already vote Democrat and the 10% who don't surely don't need reparations. Please do not ever say this in public because it makes you sound like an rear end in a top hat Also several candidates (can't remember which) have endorsed an existing bill to set up a reparations study commission.
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May 2, 2019 01:53
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Goddammit And Bailey Warren is right there https://twitter.com/FirstDogBailey/status/1120859998907764736 don't make me dislike Beto's dog, Beto's team
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May 2, 2019 01:53
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Sorry if I'm not 'hip' and the woman in the photo is famous (could then google it myself), but does anyone have a good source confirming this photo is what this anti-biden jeff bloke is saying? google image search got me nowhere.
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May 2, 2019 01:54
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Libertine posted:90% of African Americans already vote Democrat and the 10% who don't surely don't need reparations. 90% of African American VOTERS vote democrat. Very very different.
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May 2, 2019 01:58
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kidkissinger posted:People always acted like Clinton was some super tough debater but I never got that and she always seemed pretty bad at public speaking in general, especially when forced to improvise. Which is definitely a good skill to have but not one that applies to Presidential campaigns or debates. Perhaps if she had been able to get the debates to take place over the course of 12 hours with questions asked in the form of riddles, she would have won the Presidency.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Goddammit The Virgin Artemis O'Rourke vs the Chad Bailey Warren
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