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I think the other countries with exemptions also shouldn't have those exemptions, but currently the UK is far and away the biggest offender on that field. In fact, you could say that the Brexit referendum means we dodged a bullet since there was an agreement to grant the UK even more exemptions if Remain had won.
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Pissflaps posted:I think you’re overstating the impact of the UK’s opt-outs on the wellbeing of citizens of other member states - especially as there are several other countries who also opt out of the Euro, which id consider the most significant. The UK lent Ireland €4bn as part of an €85bn EU bailout. It was a tiny percentage of the overall bailout, the rest of the EU put far more money up. The UK has done massive damage to the 450 million other EU citizens over the years by not just opting out of things, but by doing their best to delay/obstruct further integration, and by pushing the neo-liberal economic agenda. The EU will be a better place without them.
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May 2, 2019 14:01
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Blut posted:The UK lent Ireland €4bn as part of an €85bn EU bailout. It was a tiny percentage of the overall bailout, the rest of the EU put far more money up. 
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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honestly this seems like a weird mirror of the attitude towards the eu in the uk the eu is really bad on its own, no need to blame the brits
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May 2, 2019 14:26
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Blut posted:The UK lent Ireland €4bn as part of an €85bn EU bailout. It was a tiny percentage of the overall bailout, the rest of the EU put far more money up. Unlike all the other major countries who definitely are not pushing the neo-liberal economic agenda
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May 2, 2019 14:32
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V. Illych L. posted:honestly this seems like a weird mirror of the attitude towards the eu in the uk Well, we have to make a start purging reactionary elements somewhere ...
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May 2, 2019 14:51
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national politics, much like generational politics, are foolish and misguided, though except for the danes, gently caress those people
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suck my woke dick posted:Well, we have to make a start purging reactionary elements somewhere ... You might want to start with: The entirety of eastern Europe, Italy and Denmark then. It's laughable that you think the Tories are comparable to the out and out neo-nazi's rising up on the mainland. This is why irrational bigotry towards a single nation, like that shown by Blut, is so dangerous. He blames all ill's on the UK because well... he doesn't like the UK. It's so obviously circular. And while he's doing that the EU continues to rot from within because guess what? Mainland Europeans are also able to be bad people. You all got high off your own farts. You thought Brexit, a plan made by rich people for the benefit of rich people, was going to result in something good. You hosed up so bad. You STOP rich peoples plans. You don't try to help them along. loving dipshits.
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brexit is going to hurt the rich as a class a subset of the rich are going to be the only ones to actually benefit, but for the most part commerce and finance are taking the big hits and those are the main class interests of the rich it's politics of spite, but the people who are already poor and at the periphery have very little else left
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May 2, 2019 16:22
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suck my woke dick posted:Well, we have to make a start purging reactionary elements somewhere ... Once every member state has been removed from the Union, they EU will no longer have any obstacle on the path to socialism!
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I quite like the UK actually. I lived there for a number of years and still have plenty of British friends. I don't at all blame "all ills" within the EU on the UK. There are far more ills in the EU than than the UK can exclusively take credit for. I'm just firmly of the belief, as more and more Europeans are becoming, that the EU is better off without the UK until more of the 45 odd percent of the UK who still irrationally dislike it learn the error of their ways. Ideally they'd come around to a more Europhile viewpoint naturally, but I fear at this stage if the last 3 years of Brexit melodrama have taught them nothing then a more forceful economic treatment may be required.
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The one good thing to happen to the EU as a consequence of Brexit is the loss of passporting rights for all the UK offshore tax havens. Not that it, in itself, will be sufficient to get rid of tax evasion but it'll be a tiny step in the right direction.
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Cat Mattress posted:The one good thing to happen to the EU as a consequence of Brexit is the loss of passporting rights for all the UK offshore tax havens. Not that it, in itself, will be sufficient to get rid of tax evasion but it'll be a tiny step in the right direction. Are you sure? The bankers by and large seem to have protected themselves quite nicely from all this
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Blut posted:I'm just firmly of the belief, as more and more Europeans are becoming, that the EU is better off without the UK until more of the 45 odd percent of the UK who still irrationally dislike it learn the error of their ways. Ideally they'd come around to a more Europhile viewpoint naturally, but I fear at this stage if the last 3 years of Brexit melodrama have taught them nothing then a more forceful economic treatment may be required. Current events by and large don't 'teach' people anything. If you want people to 'learn', i.e. change their minds, you need to give them a good story on how things could be better than what they're currently living through. But nobody important is doing that to convince the Brits to stay in, because the EU is protecting its own interests, the Remain faction in the UK is loving useless, and who the hell knows what Labour is doing. This is also why the whole Farage-style no-deal Brexit fantasy will always keep a strong baseline of support - it's a really simple story which is asserting British strength, so of course it's going to sound attractive. Pluskut Tukker fucked around with this message at 17:22 on May 2, 2019 |
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May 2, 2019 17:18
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V. Illych L. posted:except for the danes, gently caress those people Church. 
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It’s going to be very disappointing for xenophobes in the UK, the EU and this thread when the eventual deal - if one is ever required - is some massive fudge that leaves the UK with most of the benefits and responsibilities of EU membership and little economic shock as a consequence.
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Pissflaps posted:It’s going to be very disappointing for xenophobes in the UK, the EU and this thread when the eventual deal - if one is ever required - is some massive fudge that leaves the UK with most of the benefits and responsibilities of EU membership and little economic shock as a consequence. As long as that fudge leaves the UK with zero veto powers and representation within the EU, I think Blut and dirty lousy tramp will be quite happy, if I'm reading their shitposts correctly.
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Blut posted:I quite like the UK actually. I lived there for a number of years and still have plenty of British friends. I don't at all blame "all ills" within the EU on the UK. There are far more ills in the EU than than the UK can exclusively take credit for. Echoes of Reverse Versailles here. It's not going to stay as low as 45 percent if rational people begin to find they have to flee.
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NihilCredo posted:As long as that fudge leaves the UK with zero veto powers and representation within the EU, I think Blut and dirty lousy tramp will be quite happy, if I'm reading their shitposts correctly. dirty lousy tramp wants us drowned in blood
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Marxist-Jezzinist posted:dirty lousy tramp wants us drowned in blood you are a complete loving moron
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NihilCredo posted:As long as that fudge leaves the UK with zero veto powers and representation within the EU, I think Blut and dirty lousy tramp will be quite happy, if I'm reading their shitposts correctly. Yeah thats a good enough outcome for the EU/the rest of Europe in my books. Ideally I'd prefer a hard Brexit, followed a decade later by a UK rejoining with a now realistic populace that actually fully believes in the concept of the EU. I think it'd be better for everyone to have the UK out short term, but in fully long term, than an indeterminate half-in fudge. But a fudge that removes all UK veto power/representation in the EU is good enough to protect the EU from the worst of Rees-Mogg, BoJo etc going forwards at least. I would worry about the UK's domestic politics medium/long term though after any sort of fudge. Will some sort of Brexit Dolchstoss myth gain supporters for Farage et al, as we're currently seeing with the Brexit Party's surge? That could continue and get worse. Or else the old people who support Brexit could all die off gradually over a decade or two and UK public opinion could come around naturally. Could go either way.
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dirty lousy tramp posted:you are a complete loving moron could you repost this in meme form?
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Marxist-Jezzinist posted:could you repost this in meme form? just clicking on the little question mark next to your post is enough to see your meltdown over a completely normal shitpost
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dirty lousy tramp posted:just clicking on the little question mark next to your post is enough to see your meltdown over a completely normal shitpost I respond when people post the bad lies
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feedmegin posted:Are you sure? The bankers by and large seem to have protected themselves quite nicely from all this I don't mean London itself but, you know, Jersey, Man, BVI, Cayman, and so on. The crown dependencies and OCTs that get full access to the single market through the UK's membership, but don't have to follow any regulation. It's a very minor tiny step, but it's one.
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V. Illych L. posted:brexit is going to hurt the rich as a class It'll hurt the rich but also hurt the poor. Same way stubbing your toe hurts but also having your kneecaps blown off hurts.
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Marxist-Jezzinist posted:I respond when people post the bad lies a part of those "real people" did it to themselves. you happy now? have your logic tendrils stopped trembling?
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dirty lousy tramp posted:a part of those "real people" did it to themselves. Thanks for being so not mad about this, cool and calm poster.
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Marxist-Jezzinist posted:Thanks for being so not mad about this, cool and calm poster. you're literally the second guy in this 
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dirty lousy tramp posted:you're literally the second guy in this Am I melting down or affecting exaggerated calmness?
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Marxist-Jezzinist posted:Am I melting down or affecting exaggerated calmness? Por quo no los... I don't know any Spanish at all but you know what I mean.
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Marxist-Jezzinist posted:Am I melting down or affecting exaggerated calmness? somehow you're doing both at the same time
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Regarde Aduck posted:You might want to start with: The entirety of eastern Europe, Italy and Denmark then. I'd say it's more like half of eastern Europe, not everywhere is fash over there. Also you're missing Austria but depending on how you look at it that might be eastern Europe too.
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As someone who lives in Vienna, I think they are inscrutable orientals. [/jest]
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I'm not sure if either of those would make the Austrian irredentists angry or not. Possibly both.
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Blut posted:I quite like the UK actually. I lived there for a number of years and still have plenty of British friends. I don't at all blame "all ills" within the EU on the UK. There are far more ills in the EU than than the UK can exclusively take credit for. If there's any hint that a hard Brexit is 'a forceful economic treatment', i.e. something that can be framed as desired and deliberately applied by people like you, the end result of that is not going to be a whole bunch of economically devastated people 'learning the error of their ways', it's going to be literal fascism and Chancellor Farage, hth. Do your 'British friends' know you think it's a good idea for them to starve?
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feedmegin posted:If there's any hint that a hard Brexit is 'a forceful economic treatment', i.e. something that can be framed as desired and deliberately applied by people like you, the end result of that is not going to be a whole bunch of economically devastated people 'learning the error of their ways', it's going to be literal fascism and Chancellor Farage, hth. Do your 'British friends' know you think it's a good idea for them to starve? The shitfest that is Brexit Actually Happening mostly served to delegitimise UKIP and Farage honestly, and the only reason they are making a comeback is because of the looming threat that Article 50 might be revoked after the extension. I know this feels a bit weird to say after we've just spent the last couple pages talking about how there's still a sizeable chunk of Britons that are in favour of (hard) Brexit, but the main reason behind this is that brexit has yet to happen. It looked like UKIP was likely to dissolve after Brexit since they'd lose their raison d'etre, and the same rings true for the Brexit true believers, because these are movements based entirely on promising that the grass is greener on the other side. And that's the problem, that is a state of mind that is only sustainable so long as you never cross to the other side. Farage needs Brexit to not happen to remain relevant. Supporters of Brexit need Brexit to not happen in order for their worldview to remain consistent with their observed reality. These aren't people that would necessarily "learn the error of their ways" after Brexit. But Britain right now is faced with two potential national humiliations; one of them is doing Brexit and the economic and geopolitical decline it would entail. But backing down from Brexit is a much great national humiliation, because it would be self-imposed, rather than imposed by reality itself. If you want a more certain path to Chancellor Farage, then backing down from Brexit is the one.
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YF-23 posted:The shitfest that is Brexit Actually Happening mostly served to delegitimise UKIP and Farage honestly, and the only reason they are making a comeback is because of the looming threat that Article 50 might be revoked after the extension. I know this feels a bit weird to say after we've just spent the last couple pages talking about how there's still a sizeable chunk of Britons that are in favour of (hard) Brexit, but the main reason behind this is that brexit has yet to happen. It looked like UKIP was likely to dissolve after Brexit since they'd lose their raison d'etre, and the same rings true for the Brexit true believers, because these are movements based entirely on promising that the grass is greener on the other side. And that's the problem, that is a state of mind that is only sustainable so long as you never cross to the other side. Farage needs Brexit to not happen to remain relevant. Supporters of Brexit need Brexit to not happen in order for their worldview to remain consistent with their observed reality. Viceroy Farage is a not-impossible option once we do a no-deal crash-out and a bunch of empires start squabbling over our corpse, though.
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YF-23 posted:The shitfest that is Brexit Actually Happening mostly served to delegitimise UKIP and Farage honestly, and the only reason they are making a comeback is because of the looming threat that Article 50 might be revoked after the extension. I know this feels a bit weird to say after we've just spent the last couple pages talking about how there's still a sizeable chunk of Britons that are in favour of (hard) Brexit, but the main reason behind this is that brexit has yet to happen. It looked like UKIP was likely to dissolve after Brexit since they'd lose their raison d'etre, and the same rings true for the Brexit true believers, because these are movements based entirely on promising that the grass is greener on the other side. And that's the problem, that is a state of mind that is only sustainable so long as you never cross to the other side. Farage needs Brexit to not happen to remain relevant. Supporters of Brexit need Brexit to not happen in order for their worldview to remain consistent with their observed reality. Na, Farage and their ilk will happily just blame any and all problems on either the Tories being incompetent and not assertive enough or the EU being out to get us. 'Britain's economy will collapse and therefore the far right will lose support and everyone will become more reasonable and realise the error of their ways like naughty schoolchildren' is just not how actual politics or people work. I don't disagree backing down from Brexit is going to empower him too, mind you; it's kind of lovely but he wins both ways, just differently.
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