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Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014



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Modest Mao
Feb 11, 2011

by Cyrano4747
It's not really that weird. Being a member brings some more benefits and more restrictions to life.

It's kinda dumb that to get in you basically gotta decide when you're 8 that you want to join but it's a pretty free choice unless you got ambition for the few career paths that require party membership.

caberham
Mar 18, 2009

by Smythe
Grimey Drawer

Modest Mao posted:

It's not really that weird. Being a member brings some more benefits and more restrictions to life.

What exactly are the benefits nowadays? 40 years ago, yeah sure you pretty much need CCP membership for any sort of decent job or having requests like housing/car approved/expedited. Or trying to get a job at a State owned company. One of my friend is a hydraulic engineer working for a state owned research institute. He's one of the few non party members and ends up doing extra workload for his party affiliated colleagues because of numerous party meetings all the time.

He could probably join the party as well but his wife is a party member and it's so not worth joining.

quote:

It's kinda dumb that to get in you basically gotta decide when you're 8 that you want to join but it's a pretty free choice unless you got ambition for the few career paths that require party membership.

8 is the young pioneers which leads to extra points for the youth league, but on average people join the CCP during university. Unless you want to be a civil servant and move up, the current environment is not worth joining the party.

I do think the people I meet are biased because they are disillusioned folks working in the bigger cities and can't even quit. The happier civil servant local village chiefs or in smaller towns love their extra perks and live bizzaro alternative China lives (comfortable)

caberham
Mar 18, 2009

by Smythe
Grimey Drawer
Just curious, I just want to ask, who here actually lives and works in China or deals with party members/civil servants on a constant basis?

I know one other goon but that's about it.

sincx
Jul 13, 2012

furiously masturbating to anime titties
.

sincx has issued a correction as of 05:28 on Mar 23, 2021

Darkest Auer
Dec 30, 2006

They're silly

Ramrod XTreme

caberham posted:

Just curious, I just want to ask, who here actually lives and works in China or deals with party members/civil servants on a constant basis?

I know one other goon but that's about it.

You want the GBS thread for that

Modest Mao
Feb 11, 2011

by Cyrano4747

caberham posted:

What exactly are the benefits nowadays? 40 years ago, yeah sure you pretty much need CCP membership for any sort of decent job or having requests like housing/car approved/expedited. Or trying to get a job at a State owned company. One of my friend is a hydraulic engineer working for a state owned research institute. He's one of the few non party members and ends up doing extra workload for his party affiliated colleagues because of numerous party meetings all the time.

He could probably join the party as well but his wife is a party member and it's so not worth joining.


8 is the young pioneers which leads to extra points for the youth league, but on average people join the CCP during university. Unless you want to be a civil servant and move up, the current environment is not worth joining the party.

I do think the people I meet are biased because they are disillusioned folks working in the bigger cities and can't even quit. The happier civil servant local village chiefs or in smaller towns love their extra perks and live bizzaro alternative China lives (comfortable)

I have friends whose family are managers at state enterprises but beyond that and government jobs idk.

Young pioneers leads to leadership roles in school, which in turn leads to etc etc. There are parents who want their kids in the party and do push their kids to do all that bullshit so they have a slight edge when they apply during college.

Most young people I know who's parents are party members didn't even apply unless they want to replace their dad as manager of a regional gas enterprise or w/e. Seems like they know it's worthless. Then again I hang out with a lot of foreign educated people and artists so there's nothing in it for them

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost

Darkest Auer posted:

You want the GBS thread for that

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Hello posters. Please give details of your interactions with Chinese party and government figures. Speak loudly and clearly.

Qtotonibudinibudet
Nov 7, 2011



Omich poluyobok, skazhi ty narkoman? ya prosto tozhe gde to tam zhivu, mogli by vmeste uyobyvat' narkotiki

R. Guyovich posted:

Hello posters. Please give details of your interactions with Chinese party and government figures. Speak loudly and clearly.

does quoting your and typos posts count

Modest Mao
Feb 11, 2011

by Cyrano4747
they bought me, the silly foreigner, a 漢堡 in exchange for precious state secrets.

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

R. Guyovich posted:

Hello posters. Please give details of your interactions with Chinese party and government figures. Speak loudly and clearly.

I pwned Xi in DOTA Auto Chess last night. he had it coming

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007

R. Guyovich posted:

Hello posters. Please give details of your interactions with Chinese party and government figures. Speak loudly and clearly.

Noted CIA agent R Guy looking for tasty new spies to recruit ;)

I actually don't think I've run into any party members, now that I think about it, but I might be wrong. I never asked, and I doubt there are many in the US anyway.

caberham
Mar 18, 2009

by Smythe
Grimey Drawer

R. Guyovich posted:

Hello posters. Please give details of your interactions with Chinese party and government figures. Speak loudly and clearly.

check my post history!

caberham
Mar 18, 2009

by Smythe
Grimey Drawer

Darkest Auer posted:

You want the GBS thread for that

those guys and their stories aren’t so relevant anymore.

I can post stories about China during the 90s and all sorts of crazy smuggling and bribery and stuff but it’s the past

sincx
Jul 13, 2012

furiously masturbating to anime titties
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tino
Jun 4, 2018

by Smythe
If you want a managerial career in the state beaucracy you better join the party.

Lightning Knight
Feb 24, 2012

Pray for Answer

caberham posted:

those guys and their stories aren’t so relevant anymore.

I can post stories about China during the 90s and all sorts of crazy smuggling and bribery and stuff but it’s the past

I desire to hear more about your ‘80s action movie past in China.

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

China Is Wasting Less Solar and Wind Power

quote:

The drop in wasted electricity, which industry-types call “curtailment,” suggests that the government is coming to grips with an issue that has kept cleaner energy off the grid even as policymakers try to make renewable power a greater part of the country’s energy mix. According to its latest five-year plan, the government aims to increase the mix of nonfossil power consumption to 15% by the end of the decade.

While China leads the world in solar and wind capacity, much of the power generated has gone to waste as a lack of coordinated construction led to an overabundance of capacity in regions far from centers of power demand without adequate transmission infrastructure. Around 17.1% of total wind generated power was going to waste as of 2017, according to government statistics.

Yet the rotor may have turned. In the first quarter of 2019 China wasted 2.7%, or 1.24 billion kilowatt hours (kWh), of the solar power it generated, and 4%, or 4.35 billion kWh, of wind-generated power, the National Energy Administration (NEA) said in a press conference Thursday. This marks major progress, with curtailment down 1.7 percentage points and 4.5 percentage points from the same figures a year earlier.

caberham
Mar 18, 2009

by Smythe
Grimey Drawer
was just reading the same article!

Typo
Aug 19, 2009

Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes

tino posted:

ASOIAF is clearly based on Chinese warring period. They just make the dragon fatter. Dany is Qin chi huang Arya is Jing Ke.

and 3 kingdoms: tywin is clearly cao cao

Lightning Knight
Feb 24, 2012

Pray for Answer

This is paywalled so sorry if it answers this question, but how did that happen in the first place? The building of infrastructure in places where it isn’t working that is. Is that a common problem with solar and wind?

Typo
Aug 19, 2009

Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes

tbf this is a good if you are trying to communicate to a western audience about the intricacies of geopolitics, the closest average westerns have come to reading a polisci book is watching game of thrones. So you gotta "speak their language"

I like that in China many historical dramas are very popular and thus educate the population about history and geopolitics in an entertaining fashion. Thus the average Chinese can probably name all 7 warring states. Average westerner doesn't know what the treaty of westphalia is.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Lightning Knight posted:

This is paywalled so sorry if it answers this question, but how did that happen in the first place? The building of infrastructure in places where it isn’t working that is. Is that a common problem with solar and wind?

Wasn't there a big thing with huge bitcoin rigs being built in parts of China where power was super cheap because they overbuilt power sources, including hydro? Much like with the 'ghost cities' stuff, a lot of China's development has been to throw down as much infrastructure as possible either for bragging rights or just for future development, and sometimes the development hasn't or doesn't happen. And also tends to run into problems in the long run because of graft, laziness and general half-assedness, especially when you're slapping down stuff in bumfuck nowhere and you'll be long gone by the time someone comes around to inspect it.

Jon Pod Van Damm
Apr 6, 2009

THE POSSESSION OF WEALTH IS IN AND OF ITSELF A SIGN OF POOR VIRTUE. AS SUCH:
1 NEVER TRUST ANY RICH PERSON.
2 NEVER HIRE ANY RICH PERSON.
BY RULE 1, IT IS APPROPRIATE TO PRESUME THAT ALL DEGREES AND CREDENTIALS HELD BY A WEALTHY PERSON ARE FRAUDULENT. THIS JUSTIFIES RULE 2--RULE 1 NEEDS NO JUSTIFIC



https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-02/chinese-surveillance-app-reverse-engineered-by-rights-group/11062670

Among the features revealed in the app used was a list of 36 different behaviours considered problematic that police could filter through the IJOP for.

These included — among many other things — people who had returned from abroad, were recently released from detention, shared or engaged in Islamic activities, stopped using smartphones, failed to "socialise with neighbours",


Uh oh

Lightning Knight
Feb 24, 2012

Pray for Answer

Ghost Leviathan posted:

Wasn't there a big thing with huge bitcoin rigs being built in parts of China where power was super cheap because they overbuilt power sources, including hydro? Much like with the 'ghost cities' stuff, a lot of China's development has been to throw down as much infrastructure as possible either for bragging rights or just for future development, and sometimes the development hasn't or doesn't happen. And also tends to run into problems in the long run because of graft, laziness and general half-assedness, especially when you're slapping down stuff in bumfuck nowhere and you'll be long gone by the time someone comes around to inspect it.

Ah. Of course it’s the Bitcoiners. Well at least it’s being fixed now.

Unrelated:

https://twitter.com/xhnews/status/1123834855673012224?s=21

:3:

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.
https://mobile.twitter.com/YouCantWinPod/status/1123998777155751939

tHE rHizzonE bEtrayEd

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

Lightning Knight posted:

This is paywalled so sorry if it answers this question, but how did that happen in the first place? The building of infrastructure in places where it isn’t working that is. Is that a common problem with solar and wind?

Curtailment just means that the wind is blowing or the sun is shining and you don't need or can't use the electricity that the renewable is producing.

Looks like a big part of the issue in China is that they've been building the powerplants faster than the grid infrastructure, leading to some renewables standing idle because the required grid connection cannot be made.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-solarpower/china-blocks-new-solar-in-3-nw-regions-amid-overcapacity-fears-idUSKCN1Q404G

CAPS LOCK BROKEN
Feb 1, 2006

by Fluffdaddy

Lightning Knight posted:

This is paywalled so sorry if it answers this question, but how did that happen in the first place? The building of infrastructure in places where it isn’t working that is. Is that a common problem with solar and wind?

from what I’ve read the big issue isn’t generation but transmission from places like gansu all the way out east to the bigger coastal cities.

Modest Mao
Feb 11, 2011

by Cyrano4747

It's kinda weird that in the western world white men aren't considered subjects of authentic experiences, "I know I'm a man, but I think the way that woman spoke to me was rude." "Ugh bro please don't mansplain how woman should act"

but suddenly in China we need to hear a white guy talking about What It's Really Like as real evidence of what's going on

Modest Mao
Feb 11, 2011

by Cyrano4747
Maybe that's a Healthy Suspicion that the privileged group shouldn't be trusted to hold itself accountable

Lightning Knight
Feb 24, 2012

Pray for Answer

CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:

from what I’ve read the big issue isn’t generation but transmission from places like gansu all the way out east to the bigger coastal cities.

Trabisnikof posted:

Curtailment just means that the wind is blowing or the sun is shining and you don't need or can't use the electricity that the renewable is producing.

Looks like a big part of the issue in China is that they've been building the powerplants faster than the grid infrastructure, leading to some renewables standing idle because the required grid connection cannot be made.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-solarpower/china-blocks-new-solar-in-3-nw-regions-amid-overcapacity-fears-idUSKCN1Q404G

thank you for your responses!

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007

CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:

from what I’ve read the big issue isn’t generation but transmission from places like gansu all the way out east to the bigger coastal cities.

Yeah it's a problem with most if not all renewables, where transmission and storage is the big problem, since everything can fluctuate pretty heavily. I'm really interested to see if we're going to manage to figure out the next level of battery technology and where that will take us. Having a battery that can store energy without losing charge for, say, 3x as long as a li-ion battery would be enormous, doubly so if it doesn't have the risk of loving exploding or melting through the ground.

Kassad
Nov 12, 2005

It's about time.
China will build string of military bases around world, says Pentagon

quote:

But target locations for military basing could include the Middle East, Southeast Asia, and the western Pacific.

:ironicat:

I wonder how the people putting out these reports can resist cursing George W. Bush and Dick Cheney every other page.

Darkest Auer
Dec 30, 2006

They're silly

Ramrod XTreme

I think they're actually called strategic milk powder smuggling stations

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991


the guy who was there for three months in 2005 can definitely act as an authority on the subject

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/CarlZha/status/1124226505565822976

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

R. Guyovich posted:

the guy who was there for three months in 2005 can definitely act as an authority on the subject
he doesn't say that he is though. anyways it's an alright podcast. basically college radio

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

he doesn't say that he is though. anyways it's an alright podcast. basically college radio

he wrote his master's thesis on the chinese constitution without speaking or reading chinese and went on to say his time there over ten years ago gave him a strong bullshit detector.

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BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
fair enough but that still means he's leagues ahead of most westerners who comment about china online

now i want a huawei

https://twitter.com/jessefelder/status/1123978193860472833

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