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FMguru posted:in my experience (as an interviewer and an interviewee) 90% of the people doing the interview just found out they were doing it 15 minutes beforehand (when their outlook calendar pinged a reminder at them), and the first time they've looked at your resume was when they picked it up from the laser printer while walking towards the interview room yeah that's me for sure. except it's from someone "hey <whoever> is going to be here in 10 minutes I need you to sit in on this, here's the resume" and it's go-time. with a little luck i can see they don't have anything good on the resume before they get there and say "yeah this person isn't worth my time" and skip out on it completely
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FMguru posted:in my experience (as an interviewer and an interviewee) 90% of the people doing the interview just found out they were doing it 15 minutes beforehand (when their outlook calendar pinged a reminder at them), and the first time they've looked at your resume was when they picked it up from the laser printer while walking towards the interview room you mean “when the interviewee hands over a copy from their padfolio because the interviewer used the wrong printer and is running late”
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May 2, 2019 18:10
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hobbesmaster posted:you mean “when the interviewee hands over a copy from their padfolio because the interviewer used the wrong printer and is running late” you could replace the bottom half of most resumes with lorem ipsum text and it would probably have no effect on the interviewing or hiring process
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May 2, 2019 18:15
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i have probably done more interviews without the candidate's resume than with
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May 2, 2019 18:38
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Bloody posted:the plainest, blandest formatting possible. the goals are, in order: machine readability as a pdf, machine readability as a docx, and human skimmability. page count doesn't matter, font doesn't matter, objective statements don't matter Rip anyone who is optimizing their resume for the poo poo rear end jobs that keyword machine read them
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May 2, 2019 19:13
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i only bother with resumes from people named "Jared" who played lacrosse
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May 2, 2019 20:03
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Had an on-site with a startup the other day and tripped over my big ol’ dick pretty hard on a relatively simple problem, finding all substrings of a string I described the algo at a high level just fine but spent nearly the whole hour with them hand holding me over finding my bugs and off by one gently caress ups, finding more and more as I debugged. I’ve been whiteboarding for weeks doing this same kinda problems and I do just fine on my own, the solution matches the ctci solutions, etc. the more practical coding exercises I did at the onsite were EZ . But I need to get my poo poo together because I have a phone+coderpad with a unicorn style company and then an on-site with a big4 in the next couple weeks... gently caress me
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Bloody posted:the plainest, blandest formatting possible. the goals are, in order: machine readability as a pdf, machine readability as a docx, and human skimmability. page count doesn't matter, font doesn't matter, objective statements don't matter i just had an idea for my next resume. 2 pages. first page is just my normal resume. at the top is a tiny header that says ‘human resume’. second page is small text that’s an entire block of keywords titled ‘robot resume’
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Rex-Goliath posted:i just had an idea for my next resume. 2 pages. first page is just my normal resume. at the top is a tiny header that says ‘human resume’. second page is small text that’s an entire block of keywords titled ‘robot resume’ lol nice
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May 2, 2019 21:06
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Mao Zedong Thot posted:Rip anyone who is optimizing their resume for the poo poo rear end jobs that keyword machine read them if you're worried that much about resume formatting odds are you're already dealing with keyword machines
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one technique ive seen suggested is to put a wall of buzzwords (in a flyspeck one-point font, and having the same text color as the background) at the bottom of your resume invisible to the human eye, but readable by hr machines looking for keywords e: vvv i didnt say it was an original idea... FMguru fucked around with this message at 22:07 on May 2, 2019 |
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FMguru posted:one technique ive seen suggested is to put a wall of buzzwords (in a flyspeck one-point font, and having the same text color as the background) at the bottom of your resume “I see here you’re an expert in search engine optimization”
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May 2, 2019 22:04
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Rex-Goliath posted:i just had an idea for my next resume. 2 pages. first page is just my normal resume. at the top is a tiny header that says ‘human resume’. second page is small text that’s an entire block of keywords titled ‘robot resume’ drop the human part
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May 2, 2019 22:26
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there is a section of my resume that says "skills, technologies and buzzwords" or something and that’s where i put all that poo poo. then my actual work experience focuses more on the big picture of what i accomplished and is less about mentioning every tool ive used. this probably gets my resume binned some places but whatever
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May 2, 2019 23:24
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it's good to get your resume binned places there are a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooot of bad jobs
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May 2, 2019 23:33
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I once had an interview where the guy sat there reading my resume then got up and walked out of the room. 15 minutes later the HR Girl came in and walked me out. It was the most honest feedback I’ve ever gotten in a hiring process, ever.  E: Including processes where I ended up getting the job!
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today i had a person tell me that giving the recruiter feedback on what resumes are and aren’t good so that they can do a better job of screening future resumes was like training a ML agent
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Plorkyeran posted:today i had a person tell me that giving the recruiter feedback on what resumes are and aren’t good so that they can do a better job of screening future resumes was like training a ML agent Ok, this is true. But it also might lead to the extirpation of recruiters as a class, so it’s impossible to say if it’s a bad thing or not?
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May 3, 2019 02:16
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Schadenboner posted:I once had an interview where the guy sat there reading my resume then got up and walked out of the room. 15 minutes later the HR Girl came in and walked me out. goddamn dude. I hope it was at least a job post says we need X, engineer who actually knows what the job is says it needs Y situation
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May 3, 2019 04:44
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faang was supposed to email me today about onsite results but didn’t. sent a follow up and she wants to talk on the phone tomorrow. should i just assume I failed? ack. oh well.
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Acer Pilot posted:faang was supposed to email me today about onsite results but didn’t. sent a follow up and she wants to talk on the phone tomorrow. should i just assume I failed? ack. Did they give any indication at all that it went well? If not then yeah it might not be good. Then again usually they tell you straight up if you failed and ask if you'd like to talk about it, so you still might be okay. Or they might want to delay (maybe because they are in negotiation with someone else and it might not work out). Who knows. Just sit tight and see what happens.
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qhat posted:Did they give any indication at all that it went well? If not then yeah it might not be good. Then again usually they tell you straight up if you failed and ask if you'd like to talk about it, so you still might be okay. Or they might want to delay (maybe because they are in negotiation with someone else and it might not work out). Who knows. Just sit tight and see what happens. basically said she’d probably have an update in the morning and offered 2 times to talk. seems like a very neutral sounding email except she thanked me for my nice emails and meeting with the team. the latter sounded conciliatory so I’ll let my pessimism assume that they’re going to reject me nicely. anyway, thank you all for your advice and coming along for the ride. I still have that nice offer from my backup in any case and I still have a job so not the end of the world. just need to get better at interviewing I guess.
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Acer Pilot posted:basically said she’d probably have an update in the morning and offered 2 times to talk. seems like a very neutral sounding email except she thanked me for my nice emails and meeting with the team. the latter sounded conciliatory so I’ll let my pessimism assume that they’re going to reject me nicely. Offered two times to talk when exactly? What you've said honestly doesn't sound bad, saying she will have an update in the morning implies she can't give you an answer right now because the jury is still out. Don't get too pessimistic right now, they might not have even had their interview feedback meeting with her yet.
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qhat posted:Offered two times to talk when exactly? What you've said honestly doesn't sound bad, saying she will have an update in the morning implies she can't give you an answer right now because the jury is still out. Don't get too pessimistic right now, they might not have even had their interview feedback meeting with her yet. true, hoping for the best. I meant she offered me two different time slots for when she wants to call me.
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Acer Pilot posted:true, hoping for the best. I meant she offered me two different time slots for when she wants to call me. just sounds to me like they're busy
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today i interviewed a college hire with a section on their resume titled "skills and interests" followed by an unorganized list of words are you skilled in machine learning or is it just an interest? nobody knows but it obviously worked on the recruiter
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Acer Pilot posted:faang was supposed to email me today about onsite results but didn’t. sent a follow up and she wants to talk on the phone tomorrow. should i just assume I failed? ack. this honestly sounds like she just forgot to send a “let’s schedule a call” email. some places have a policy of only giving yes/no over the phone, which requires an almost pathological neutrality in written correspondence.
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supabump posted:today i interviewed a college hire with a section on their resume titled "skills and interests" followed by an unorganized list of words Sounds like he/she will go quite far.
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Schadenboner posted:I once had an interview where the guy sat there reading my resume then got up and walked out of the room. 15 minutes later the HR Girl came in and walked me out. was your resume a copy of your post history
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supabump posted:today i interviewed a college hire with a section on their resume titled "skills and interests" followed by an unorganized list of words Nice. Gonna add "Experience and Aspirations" to mine. Lots of callbacks headed my way next round
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Schadenboner posted:I once had an interview where the guy sat there reading my resume then got up and walked out of the room. 15 minutes later the HR Girl came in and walked me out. This is a pro as hell move and I think I'm going to use it.
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CRIP EATIN BREAD posted:This is a pro as hell move and I think I'm going to use it. I figured they were trying to do the thing from Liar’s Poker where the interviewee has to take control of the meeting by starting the conversation with the interviewer (which I would very much consider doing if I were interviewing someone) but this guy didn’t respond to verbal prompts. It was weird, I dunno. 
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Schadenboner posted:I figured they were trying to do the thing from Liar’s Poker where the interviewee has to take control of the meeting by starting the conversation with the interviewer (which I would very much consider doing if I were interviewing someone) but this guy didn’t respond to verbal prompts. its probably something stupider, like that guy was a mechanical engineer and HR mixed up job requisitions
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that's what i thought as well i mean, still awkward as all hell but in seemingly no way your fault, and makes a hell of a story 
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Schadenboner posted:I figured they were trying to do the thing from Liar’s Poker where the interviewee has to take control of the meeting by starting the conversation with the interviewer (which I would very much consider doing if I were interviewing someone) but this guy didn’t respond to verbal prompts. Sounds like some weird puzzle game, like if you had gotten up and written some specific math equation on the board he would have stopped talking. Did you find any weird notes or clues in the lobby?
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daily reminder that while it is cheap to live in the midwest, salaries are depressed to the extent that the lowball number a FAANG will give you as an anchor point can triple your salary
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hobbesmaster posted:daily reminder that while it is cheap to live in the midwest, salaries are depressed to the extent that the lowball number a FAANG will give you as an anchor point can triple your salary did you get an offer from Amazon?
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faang called me 17 mins late to say they have no decision yet. hiring manager wanted to screen more candidates... ugh. at this point I think I'll have to accept that other job and just leave if the faang makes me an offer.
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