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Prester Jane posted:So I'm not even sure how I wound up following him, but I've unfollowed him now. I had no real idea who he actually was, thanks for looking out. there's the woebegotten fake krassenstein brother, ken klippenstein, who is actually a decent reporter who you might have confused them with https://twitter.com/kenklippenstein/status/1091586228917538816
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Party Plane Jones posted:there's the woebegotten fake krassenstein brother, ken klippenstein, who is actually a decent reporter who you might have confused them with Ah I thought it was a parody account, definitely good though
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Feb 2, 2019 23:27
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Prester Jane posted:Anyone willing to make a series of very simple images to represent the compaction cycle for me? (I have absolutely no artistic capacity whatsoever or I do it myself). But I think a simple series of stick figure type Graphics telling the story of the snowball metaphor could really do well as a Twitter thread for the compaction cycle. It'll be a weapon that could be whipped out by anyone anytime to behavior appears in social media*. You're asking for money on patreon so I really hope you're planning to compensate anyone who does work for you. You're selling it as a "weapon" but it's also building your personal brand which you are actively attempting to monetize and you need to be upfront about that.
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Feb 2, 2019 23:56
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Helsing posted:You're asking for money on patreon so I really hope you're planning to compensate anyone who does work for you. Good point- one which I am a little embarrassed for not having though of ahead of time. So I will absolutely compensate anyone who would be willing to make those images.
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Hey y'all, wanna watch me troll the guy who plays Lucifer in Supernatural? https://mobile.twitter.com/MarkRPellegrino/status/1092137952501583872
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why do so many actors who have so demonstrably won the lottery turn into bootstrap chuds when they get a little money? yeah sure you got regular work by working hard and achieving, but you also got your first good job through astronomical luck. for every one actor that gets a recurring TV role in a single season of a show, there are a million others willing to do that same job for less money. don't pretend you're an example of the beauty of the free market, because you're extremely not. also: actors have one of the most powerful unions in the country.
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Feb 3, 2019 23:05
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ScrubLeague posted:but you also got your first good job through astronomical luck. I’ve picked out the things they’d disagree with you about. People who become chuddy after success have gotten high on their own farts and are sure that their success is proof that they are better than others. This is not helped by the fact that being super rich leads you to being surrounded by sycophants who will agree with anything you say.
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drat like just reply with that and call it a day
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Feb 4, 2019 02:14
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According to his Twitter profile he co-founded the "American Capitalism" party. In any case this is how it ended: https://mobile.twitter.com/Prester_Jane/status/1092151355714678785
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I'm speaking to someone now about making an image series to represent the compaction cycle, but for the time being I've created this tweet to start help promoting the concept. https://mobile.twitter.com/Prester_Jane/status/1092985275796488192 Its getting pretty easy to spot them these days. https://mobile.twitter.com/RightWingWatch/status/1092499634780545024 Prester Jane has issued a correction as of 04:16 on Feb 6, 2019 |
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Feb 6, 2019 03:50
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Could you make one that's much shorter, with bigger text, written with more accessible language? People have really low attention spans on twitter, and often, small screens as well. More importantly than that, though... The first sentence of the explanation should get straight to the point in a jargon-free way (don't mention "Narrativist" or make any citations in the first sentence). Otherwise people will see it as containing jargon they're not "in" on or ready for and will stop reading, or worse, dismiss it as some random person's pet philosophy which no one wants to hear about. There shouldn't be too many sentences after that first one, nor any with big formal words. It's twitter, people shitpost here. Rewrite it for that format as small as it can go without it missing the point. Just say what the concept is, including the nice efficient opener. Leave all the disclaimers for another post. Confidently assert that compaction is a real concept, this is its real definition, and leave the word's origin and your defense of it for later replies when actually called on it. The presentation should demand the reader accept the definition as the universal, unequivocal meaning of the word if you really want to go through with inserting it into the world's lexicon. edit: Also, crop the images better to remove the extra web browser poo poo and cut it off at nice paragraphs so you're not splitting paragraphs between images. If you want this to be the one tweet about this that spreads and makes a big impact then invest perfectionism into it Happy Thread has issued a correction as of 05:18 on Feb 6, 2019 |
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Also, isn't the most easily-understood demonstration of compaction possble found in stories of failed prophecies from doomsday cults? The doomsday date comes and goes, and many members leave (the soft ones, the "water"). The ones who are left (the increasingly compact "ice") are the ones who will likely never leave, and increasingly radicalized after pushing the softies out. That visual seems essential when comparing to your other visual, the slush ball. I don't really make that mental pairing as well reading what you compared the slushball to (something more vague) in the current post.
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Feb 6, 2019 05:31
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All excellent critiques. Ill need to do an improved update on the Compaction Cycle article.
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Feb 6, 2019 07:08
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Expectation and demand and the socialist principle. You're onto something with gamers and capitalism Prester.
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Feb 13, 2019 19:23
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two things on my mind this morning: 1) while living in Iowa, I had a Fox News watching dad type tell me that he felt Nixon was misrepresented by history. one wonders if Reagan is the outer narrative and Nixon the inner, and/or how widespread Nixon apologia really is 2) hey here's one of those compaction cycles starting in Portland. btw if you live in Portland maybe stay off the street for a bit: https://twitter.com/Samirite1/status/1095923432867295232
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LordSaturn posted:1) while living in Iowa, I had a Fox News watching dad type tell me that he felt Nixon was misrepresented by history. one wonders if Reagan is the outer narrative and Nixon the inner, and/or how widespread Nixon apologia really is The first season of Slate's Slow Burn podcast is about Nixon. It should be considered required listening. There are amazing parallels between Nixon supporters and the Trump personality cult. Some have wondered out loud if Nixon would have survived if he had Fox News, and I firmly believe he could have. It doesn't have to be apologetics, it just needs to be believable enough for those that want to believe (or do I repeat myself?) The second season is about Clinton, and it also helps explain a whole lot about modern Republican conspiratorial thinking.
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So several people have noticed that I was a bit more combative lately and are looking to pick fights on Twitter, and reached out to me to see if everything was okay. I greatly appreciate the concern, and I gave some half true answers because I was working on something that I wasn't sure yet whether or not I was actually going to publish. I've known that I've needed to get this off my chest in order to move forward with my transition and my recovery for a long time, but even touching the subject used to upset me so greatly that I didn't think it wise to even do this. But I don't know, I can't go on living in silence either and feeling like an enabler by not speaking up about what I know is happening to children in this place. So come hell or high water I put this out there, it doesn't really matter if this gains any traction or not. I'm doing what I can for the kids still trapped under this monsters supposed "care". I've done what I can, for now that'll have to be enough. Any signal boosting is appreciated. Also big CW: Frank and vivid depiction of severe child abuse. https://mobile.twitter.com/Prester_Jane/status/1096526696096817153 Prester Jane has issued a correction as of 05:21 on Feb 16, 2019 |
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I got confused because I'm seeing the phrase "learn to code" a lot during a programming job search, used a benign way, yet I remembered you had made a big deal about it on Twitter earlier this year so I finally went back and tried to find why. Holy poo poo you were onto something. There's alt-right people going around on twitter and spamming the poo poo out of this, but not at all in the benign way that is normally seen. They're hiding behind the usual innocuousness of the phrase, and not even bothering to hide well. They're using it to discourage any left-wing writers and in several cases have paired it with threats. gently caress them. For anyone who can stomach it look at the replies to one of her tweets about it: https://twitter.com/prester_jane/status/1091506472058478592?lang=en There you can see that by pointing out the narrative, Prester quickly absorbed the full focused cruelty of that group. Context: https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1090068240125054981 https://twitter.com/Prester_Jane/status/1090081462085287936
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What do we call useful idiots who embrace the outernarrative whole heartedly ?
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Nevvy Z posted:What do we call useful idiots who embrace the outernarrative whole heartedly ? Wasn't it ditto-heads once?
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Nevvy Z posted:What do we call useful idiots who embrace the outernarrative whole heartedly ? glitches
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Nevvy Z posted:What do we call useful idiots who embrace the outernarrative whole heartedly ? suppressive persons
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Nevvy Z posted:What do we call useful idiots who embrace the outernarrative whole heartedly ? Liberals / centrists That's who it's meant for too. The types of people who have no real ability (or enough of a spine) to categorize someone as willfully abusive or negotiating in bad faith, who fundamentally misunderstand the nature of power in politics, are the folks believing the outer narratives at their face value and easily falling for tricks like concern trolling. Happy Thread has issued a correction as of 22:12 on Apr 11, 2019 |
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Nevvy Z posted:What do we call useful idiots who embrace the outernarrative whole heartedly ? Cooperators have a very shallow grasp of their own beliefs and (quite naturally) presume everyone else operates the same as them. As a result they default to taking people at face value and rely on designated authority figures to identify and remove bad-faith actors. They further have a strong tendency to regard it as greatly innapropriate for themselves to identify bad-faith actors. Dumb Lowtax posted:I got confused because I'm seeing the phrase "learn to code" a lot during a programming job search, used a benign way, yet I remembered you had made a big deal about it on Twitter earlier this year so I finally went back and tried to find why. This post deserves a much longer response than I can be arsed to write while phoneposting- but the long and the short of it is that #learntocode appears to be a successful weaponization of the exact techniques that were refined during project Chanology. (As Uglycut recently summed it up "the IRA stole our tech*") *Uglycat was using the scientologist meaning of the word "tech". To boil this tech down to its essence: small cells of anons would collaborate in private and determine targets+create a variety of memes supportive of the project. These memes would then be deployed on various 'chans in conjunction with a coordinated campaign to manipulate the hive mind by posting supportive messages to make it appear that a significant number of anons were already participating in the project/attack. Edit: when #Learntocode was launched on 4chan the Russian botnet was massively signal-boosting the harassment campaign. Prester Jane has issued a correction as of 14:39 on Apr 12, 2019 |
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Prester Jane posted:Cooperators have a very shallow grasp of their own beliefs and (quite naturally) presume everyone else operates the same as them. As a result they default to taking people at face value and rely on designated authority figures to identify and remove bad-faith actors. They further have a strong tendency to regard it as greatly innapropriate for themselves to identify bad-faith actors. That reflects my experience exactly, good summary Prester Jane posted:Edit: when #Learntocode was launched on 4chan the Russian botnet was massively signal-boosting the harassment campaign. Oooo about that, a lot of opinions have changed around here on russiagate. Not that there were not of botnets operating from russian IPs or that the mafia wasn't big in the botnet industry, but that other nations (Israel, Saudi Arabia, etc) and organizations (and individuals) were operating them too and interfering too, and it's probably best to just call it "the botnet". As Uglycat points out a lot of it isn't even "bots" per se but individuals running tons of accounts via persona management software. But the point is, it's just "the botnet" now, and sticking "russian" on something is starting to be seen as synonymous with centrist media narratives that essentially became indistinguishable from Q-Anon, which doubled down when their prophecy (that Trump's arrest was eminent) failed upon the Mueller investigation's end. These are narratives that say there can be no way to fix things besides following the Russia story, finding something, and somehow the big Armageddon comes and reverses the 2016 election, all the appointments, puts Hillary back in charge, etc. while expecting the establishment to suddenly come around on the idea of prosecuting members of its own ruling class. The narratives are now seen as very harmful because they've successfully distracted the left from much easier ways to attack Trump. And have simultaneously provided a very easy target for chuds to point to for how easily the liberal media gets played by one thing. One poster suggests that the media was intentionally put on this wild goose chase by the CIA/FBI as a way of attacking both the media and Trump, by leaking just enough information to get them convinced that something big was happening behind the scenes legally and to expect a soft coup, or as they put it, the best way to grow mushrooms is to feed them poo poo and then keep them in the dark.
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The impression I've gotten is that everybody is doing it (the botnet thing) now. The USB stick stuff came up in US Pol. I know various foreign government sites are being targeted to infect USB sticks that will get onto ships. I can't be more specfic about that. But it's scaring the hell out of me.
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BrandorKP posted:The impression I've gotten is that everybody is doing it (the botnet thing) now. Yeah, I think that you're going to find that social media manipulation is just going to be the rule of the day. It's not just the Russians that do it anymore. They were just the ones who catapulted it into the national mindset by being obvious. Social media manipulation is just going to be a thing from now on because it's an attack that the US is legitimately weak against.
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Ice Phisherman posted:Yeah, I think that you're going to find that social media manipulation is just going to be the rule of the day. It's not just the Russians that do it anymore. They were just the ones who catapulted it into the national mindset by being obvious. Social media manipulation is just going to be a thing from now on because it's an attack that the US is legitimately weak against. We aren't just weak against it, our ruling classes deliberately nurtured this weakness to make the society easier to control and are now shocked! Just absolutely flabbergasted! to have someone else competently reach in and tug on the strings. I try to point that out whenever this comes up anywhere.
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Dumb Lowtax posted:Liberals / centrists What do you call people who always assume the other participants are acting in bad faith? Edit: LonsomeSon posted:We aren't just weak against it, our ruling classes deliberately nurtured this weakness to make the society easier to control and are now shocked! Just absolutely flabbergasted! to have someone else competently reach in and tug on the strings. And this is why I think that way. Aleph Null has issued a correction as of 22:24 on Apr 15, 2019 |
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I'd be interested to see some examples of how the ruling classes deliberately and willfully nurture these weaknesses that western societies have against social media manipulation. I'm asking in good faith. Why would people at the top of a society strive to weaken the very society that enables them to live a privileged life at the top of it? Aleph Null, what are you driving at?
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Cactus posted:I'd be interested to see some examples of how the ruling classes deliberately and willfully nurture these weaknesses that western societies have against social media manipulation. I'm asking in good faith. Why would people at the top of a society strive to weaken the very society that enables them to live a privileged life at the top of it? https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/05/03/the-billionaires-behind-the-far-right/
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Cactus posted:I'm asking in good faith. Why would people at the top of a society strive to weaken the very society that enables them to live a privileged life at the top of it? so that they can rule over it with feeble lies instead of anything that requires more effort
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They'll push it too far one day and actually get the result they're so diligently working towards and it wont end well for anyone, including them.
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Cactus posted:Why would people at the top of a society strive to weaken the very society that enables them to live a privileged life at the top of it? Because they think it gets in the way of them exercising ever more absolute authority. Which might not seem to make a hell of a lot of sense at first blush but you have to understand that these people aren't particularly smart and have been cosseted by yes men and bootlicks for their entire lives so their sense of reality is warped.
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Cactus posted:They'll push it too far one day and actually get the result they're so diligently working towards and it wont end well for anyone, including them. In fact this happens often. How long do you imagine social orders last without a good crisis or straight collapse?
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