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mycot
Oct 23, 2014

"It's okay. There are other Terminators! Just give us this one!"
Hell Gem
I'm expecting a Justice League situation where you can identify the cut scenes of gremlin Sonic by measuring the lengths of Jim Carrey's mustache

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MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




I'm guessing they'll change details in a manner that allows them to use them same skeletal and facial rig and render the existing animations onto the new model, which will limit the overall degree to which they can change things. Should still let them stylise it a bit and take out some of the horror.

Pants Donkey
Nov 13, 2011

Yeah, it seems way too late in the game for a wholly new model. I imagine they’ll adjust the face to make it more appealing, but outside of some small tweaks the whole Kid-In-Sanic-Suit aesthetic is going to be there to some degree.

Unless they’re brave enough to delay even further.

Flint_Paper
Jun 7, 2004

This isn't cool at all Looshkin! These are dark forces you're titting about with!

I have encouraged people to submit their redesigns to me on Twitter. https://twitter.com/Brainmage/status/1124249949489827840

The replies to this are very, very much worth looking at:


https://twitter.com/ben_cameron/status/1124252759933554688

https://twitter.com/Thiefree/status/1124255976239054850

https://twitter.com/DocHackenbush/status/1124259803218444288

https://twitter.com/ZomDa/status/1124256225800216576


etc

SeANMcBAY
Jun 28, 2006

Look on the bright side.




Not mine. How long do we have to wait before we get an actual romhack that replaces Sonic and Eggman with the movie versions?

kirbysuperstar
Nov 11, 2012

Let the fools who stand before us be destroyed by the power you and I possess.

SeANMcBAY posted:


Not mine. How long do we have to wait before we get an actual romhack that replaces Sonic and Eggman with the movie versions?

https://twitter.com/Daemon_Anderson/status/1124219534615826432

breadshaped
Apr 1, 2010


Soiled Meat
The special stages in Sonia Mania are really loving hard as someone who can do the S1-S3&K with my eyes closed. Even the Sonic CD ones are fairly easy but I just jump the barrier and beeline straight to each of the UFOs.

I can only get 2 chaos emeralds in Mania though. In my first playthrough I got the first 2 on the first try and then like 10 failed attempts to get the third :(

beep by grandpa
May 5, 2004

Bedshaped posted:

The special stages in Sonia Mania are really loving hard as someone who can do the S1-S3&K with my eyes closed. Even the Sonic CD ones are fairly easy but I just jump the barrier and beeline straight to each of the UFOs.

I can only get 2 chaos emeralds in Mania though. In my first playthrough I got the first 2 on the first try and then like 10 failed attempts to get the third :(

Were you always good at S1-S3&K+CD special stages or did it take years and years of practice? That's where I'm at with Mania. They were very challenging at first but then got super easy around my 3rd or 4th playthrough. Except for emerald #5 I think, that one is a huge difficulty spike for me for whatever reason.

That said I think Mania's are definitely the most fun out of all of the classic games by far. The only one I liked near this was Sonic 3D Blast on the sega saturn, which was a whole lotta fun and u chilled out to swing jazz as you played :cool:

Maybe it's not a real sonic game if you don't suck dick at the special stages your first bunch of times through lol so congrats sonic mania

breadshaped
Apr 1, 2010


Soiled Meat
I thought Sonic 3d is generally considered not good.

azurite
Jul 25, 2010

Strange, isn't it?!


Bedshaped posted:

I thought Sonic 3d is generally considered not good.

Not good as Sonic's flagship game on the Saturn for sure. Outside of that, I think it's merely okay.

Soundtrack is real good though, and I still listen from time to time.

Frankston
Jul 27, 2010


Bedshaped posted:

I thought Sonic 3d is generally considered not good.

It was the beginning of the end.

Also it came out the same year as Super Mario 64 which is a perfect example of how wildly different those two franchises became, quality-wise.

Elentor
Dec 14, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Volcano Valley is reused/remixed from time to time and its motiff makes into assorted modern sonic music.

Other than that Sonic 3D is pretty much a very interesting project to learn about on GameHut but it's effectively a licensed indie game compared, yeah, to Mario 64.

kirbysuperstar
Nov 11, 2012

Let the fools who stand before us be destroyed by the power you and I possess.

azurite posted:

Soundtrack is real good though, and I still listen from time to time.

Absolutely.

beep by grandpa
May 5, 2004

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKYXOobaceQ

i cry every tiem...

Party Boat
Nov 1, 2007

where did that other dog come from

who is he


Well done everyone, we laughed at the bad hedgehog too much and now a bunch of CG artists don't get to see their families for six months

azurite
Jul 25, 2010

Strange, isn't it?!


Elentor posted:

Volcano Valley is reused/remixed from time to time and its motiff makes into assorted modern sonic music.

If you have a modern example of this I'd love to hear it.

E: Found one via Youtube comments, never made it that far into Heroes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUsx1DbRCvU

azurite fucked around with this message at 17:11 on May 4, 2019

ArfJason
Sep 5, 2011
Genesis ost >>>> saturn ost

azurite
Jul 25, 2010

Strange, isn't it?!


Elentor
Dec 14, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

azurite posted:

If you have a modern example of this I'd love to hear it.

E: Found one via Youtube comments, never made it that far into Heroes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUsx1DbRCvU

I don't recall by heart, I just know that I hear it constantly in modern sonic games. I never even played Heroes!

Hitlersaurus Christ
Oct 14, 2005

I dunno man, I think you're imagining it.

Hikaki
Oct 11, 2005
Motherfucking Fujitsu Heavy Industries
I have a feeling that the "redesign" was planned all along. They know they can't compete with Pokemon, the other CG live action video game movie that actually looks decent, so they just plug in a terrible looking Sonic for the trailer and that drums up interest.

I realize that this is kind of tinfoilhat but consider two things.

One, the rest of the movie doesn't look bad. It's still a rolleyes video game movie but it's not terrible and it's got Jim Carrey. The CG model of Sonic is the single exception and conveniently requires no reshooting to change.

Two, PR for Sonic has historically engaged in meme culture. See the official Sonic twitter. Then remember that "badly drawn Sonic" is literally a meme itself.

I think this whole thing was a clever way to get people talking about an otherwise mediocre video game movie. And it worked.

SeANMcBAY
Jun 28, 2006

Look on the bright side.



Bedshaped posted:

I thought Sonic 3d is generally considered not good.

It’s a decent game. The original programmer for it actually made a romhack a year or two ago that fixes a lot of issues and adds new stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nBeppQgFGw

Robotnik Nudes
Jul 8, 2013

Trailer is so bad people have to invent conspiracy theories that Sonic was an inside job to cope with it lol.

Pants Donkey
Nov 13, 2011

Party Boat posted:

Well done everyone, we laughed at the bad hedgehog too much and now a bunch of CG artists don't get to see their families for six months
honestly I won’t see the drat thing if they put people through hell crunch. Not like the sonic design is going to compensate for what is likely terrible writing.

MJeff
Jun 2, 2011

THE LIAR

Hikaki posted:

I have a feeling that the "redesign" was planned all along. They know they can't compete with Pokemon, the other CG live action video game movie that actually looks decent, so they just plug in a terrible looking Sonic for the trailer and that drums up interest.

I realize that this is kind of tinfoilhat but consider two things.

One, the rest of the movie doesn't look bad. It's still a rolleyes video game movie but it's not terrible and it's got Jim Carrey. The CG model of Sonic is the single exception and conveniently requires no reshooting to change.

Two, PR for Sonic has historically engaged in meme culture. See the official Sonic twitter. Then remember that "badly drawn Sonic" is literally a meme itself.

I think this whole thing was a clever way to get people talking about an otherwise mediocre video game movie. And it worked.

I think it's possible that they knew Sonic would be poorly received because every sneak preview and leak of him so far has been dumped on. They might've already been in the process of re-designing him but decided to just release this trailer as is while they work on it? Maybe? I dunno.

lol but
Feb 24, 2007

body is a dinosaur
Slippery Tilde

Bedshaped posted:

I thought Sonic 3d is generally considered not good.

main game sucked but the special stages were real chill

Mr Phillby
Apr 8, 2009

~TRAVIS~

SeANMcBAY posted:

It’s a decent game. The original programmer for it actually made a romhack a year or two ago that fixes a lot of issues and adds new stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nBeppQgFGw
Gamehut is a fun channel because its genuinely cool seeing the influence of the British Demo scene on liscenced japanese properties and all the insane coding workarounds they used to produce visual effect that would have been otherwise imposible on early consoles.

Then somtimes he'll put up a video about all the bible passages he hid in Sonic R and thats just makes an already insane game just a little bit weirder.

Paul.Power
Feb 7, 2009

The three roles of APCs:
Transports.
Supply trucks.
Distractions.

ArfJason posted:

Genesis ost >>>> saturn ost
I do prefer the Mega Drive OST, but I'll also concede depends on what you're looking for in a soundtrack. If you like fun tunes (for me, Rusty Ruins and Diamond Dust in particular are amazing) and you like that Yamaha YM2612 sound chip then the Mega Drive soundtrack delivers in spades, but the Saturn soundtrack has a lot of fun with real instruments and a more ambient mood so I can certainly see many preferring that.

Hikaki
Oct 11, 2005
Motherfucking Fujitsu Heavy Industries

Robotnik Nudes posted:

Trailer is so bad people have to invent conspiracy theories that Sonic was an inside job to cope with it lol.

Yeah this is probably closer to the truth. You would think I would be used to Sonic being bad by now.

Robotnik Nudes
Jul 8, 2013

Hikaki posted:

Yeah this is probably closer to the truth. You would think I would be used to Sonic being bad by now.

I totally understand why someone would like gunk it’s got to be a trick but yeah, you gotta remember this is Sonic we’re talking about.

Macaluso
Sep 23, 2005

I HATE THAT HEDGEHOG, BROTHER!
https://twitter.com/evan__online/status/1124778423921065990

PaletteSwappedNinja
Jun 3, 2008

One Nation, Under God.
There's a dollar-store 3D Sonic clone coming to Steam in a couple weeks, it even has dollar-store Crush 40:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1sIGMnV4_o

ArfJason
Sep 5, 2011
Oh thag thing is finally coming out. Wasnt the dev of spark electric jester a bit of a whiny rear end in a top hat? Might be misremembering

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

PaletteSwappedNinja posted:

There's a dollar-store 3D Sonic clone coming to Steam in a couple weeks, it even has dollar-store Crush 40:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1sIGMnV4_o

I sort of respect them for at least getting that lovely Buttrock was a part of the definitive Sonic 3D experience.

Skeletome
Feb 4, 2011

Tell them about the tournament!

It also looks pretty fun tbh

The Bee
Nov 25, 2012

Making his way to the ring . . .
from Deep in the Jungle . . .

The Big Monkey!
Spark's design always felt weirdly close to Sonic's to me. I know it's a really shallow reason for not being able to get behind something, but it always just felt too on the nose, y'know?

Like, imagine if Hat Kid was basically just the Mario 64 skeleton awkwardly cobbled into an original design, or if Yooka was just a green Banjo. That's basically how Spark feels.

PaletteSwappedNinja
Jun 3, 2008

One Nation, Under God.
The 2D sprite looked like a bad Sonic/Dynamite Headdy mashup.

Freedom Planet just barely skirts looking like a sprite edit but Spark didn't even try.

ArfJason
Sep 5, 2011
Im just glad somoene at least is finally trying to do indie Daytime Unleashed. (If thats the game im thinking of)

Captain France
Aug 3, 2013

PaletteSwappedNinja posted:

There's a dollar-store 3D Sonic clone coming to Steam in a couple weeks, it even has dollar-store Crush 40:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1sIGMnV4_o

gently caress I hope this is good. It looks good.
You know, I think this is the first 3D Sonic Clone I've ever actually seen?

And I could really go for one.

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SeANMcBAY
Jun 28, 2006

Look on the bright side.



PaletteSwappedNinja posted:

There's a dollar-store 3D Sonic clone coming to Steam in a couple weeks, it even has dollar-store Crush 40:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1sIGMnV4_o

I don’t think I’d ever play it but it’s cool to see indies make Dreamcast throwback games rather than more 8/16bit ones.

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