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nine-gear crow posted:Yeah BSG goes off the rails hard after the second season and skids across the finish line a flaming wreck with Ron Moore standing atop it and screaming “I AM A GENIUS!” as it burns down around him. I lover this mental image so much I want it rendered in a Reboot-style goofy animation. That said, I don't think GoT will reach quite -that- level of implosion. LOST was fiddled with from all sides, had all the troubles of a rotating cast, and also no real endgame because nobody expected it to get as big as it did. BSG had its feet cut out from under it and basically got tossed onto the laps of the only loons in the room who said they could finish it in the timeframe they had. GoT has been a success from chapter one, had a goodly input from the author, and established narrative arcs. Those can all fail in their own ways (and have!), but even all added up don't quite make for the fuckery of those two other series ending. We'll see, though, won't we?
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Sephyr posted:BSG had its feet cut out from under it and basically got tossed onto the laps of the only loons in the room who said they could finish it in the timeframe they had. Wait what happened?
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Kavak posted:Wait what happened? Battlestar Galactica's core narrative conceit was "There are twelve Cylons, and they have a plan." With the narrative being a slow burn reveal of each new model of Cylon and the lingering mystery of which of these characters we've known from the start is/is not a Cylon or is this new character who just appeared out of nowhere a Cylon. At the end of Season 2, the BSG writers room had the brilliant* idea of having the fleet population settle on a planet after they said gently caress it and elected their own version of Donald Trump president because they're all dumb. It cuts to One Year Later (again, picture Ron Moore atop flaming wreckage screaming I AM A GENIUS!), and the Cylons descend from the sky and go "lol, we're taking over, you're all under occupation now." Now, this would be a great twist... if we knew who all 12 Cylons were at the time. Unfortunately, the show had only revealed 7 up to that point. So this is the moment where the show slams bow first into the iceburg. The writers either have to pull five new Cylons out of their rear end immediately, or come up with a backwards-working retcon to explain why these Final Five Cylons didn't bother showing up to the party. So the show then spends the rest of its remaining two seasons and several movies contorting itself into horrific bone-splintering shapes to try and crawl out of the corner it had painted itself into and emerged dripping wet for its trouble anyway and screaming "I DUNNO, loving GOD DID IT!" E: Also the Writers Strike of 2009 happened when the show was in its final season, so that didn't help either. nine-gear crow fucked around with this message at 04:21 on May 5, 2019 |
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May 5, 2019 04:17
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jit bull transpile posted:God the magicians is so loving good. The season finale made me sob like a baby I really loved the set up - the Faux Narnia and whatnot. However every character seems like a piece of poo poo that needs to be slapped around. TV Elliot might be an exception, in that I didn't just hate him outright, but I read the books after S1, where he is just another limp character and his gayngst just made me weary. It felt like "less than zero" meets 90210 with some hogwarts wrapped around it. It was pretty addictive, but once I had to wait for s4, I stopped caring, and mostly hoping Quentin would die, His dead chick friend would stay dead & Julie would move to a new dimension and find some better friends. I guess Elliot and Margo I wish ok things for, especially since their arcs made them a bit better people as they moved forward. gently caress Penny, that dude is annoying too. Where does the tv show end up compared to the books? Does it go past it into new territory? Why were you crying? Do they finally kill off someone? poo poo now I probably have to watch this crap drat you for bringing it up and re-waking that part of my brain. nine-gear crow posted:
Why was the cylons remaining hidden a problem? honestly, I don't remember the cylons overall plot, but I could see why some might remain hidden.
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May 5, 2019 05:17
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kcroy posted:Why was the cylons remaining hidden a problem? honestly, I don't remember the cylons overall plot, but I could see why some might remain hidden. On its head, no this was not a problem. And they could have slipped out of it very easily if they took the route you mentioned, but instead this was the genesis of the Final Five plot line where it turns out that, no there aren't actually 12 Cylons, there's only seven and the other five were actually a different type of Cylon who created the other seven and a bunch of other stuff that broke the mythology of the show into a bloody mess while it was also in the process of putting up episodes like Hero, Dirty Hands, and The Woman King. Aka "oops, Adama's a secret war criminal", "Tyrol starts a union and this is painted as a bad thing for 90% of the episode" and "The Gang Gets Racist In Space."
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May 5, 2019 05:43
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Anyone play the GoT mod for CK2? It good?
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May 5, 2019 05:55
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chaosapiant posted:Anyone play the GoT mod for CK2? It good? I think there's been a Let's Play of it here and there. It's good from what I've seen. It also lets you take the base setting of the show and do real loopy poo poo with it, so yeah give it a shot.
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I started with Season 3 so I've always had a weird perspective on things. You could tell things were really going to pot when they suddenly remembered "Oh poo poo, we have to make Tyrol's kid a bastard, we can't have another half Cylon". Also Season 2 had Black Market, lovely one-offs weren't new.
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May 5, 2019 06:01
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nine-gear crow posted:I think there's been a Let's Play of it here and there. It's good from what I've seen. It also lets you take the base setting of the show and do real loopy poo poo with it, so yeah give it a shot. yeah the fun thing to do with it is use it as essentially a fanfic scenario simulator load up either the Robert's Rebellion era or the book era, gently caress around with all of the most decisive political marriages to produce the funniest possible combos. Marry stannis to cersei after winning the rebellion, etc. they were way behind on implementing features from CK2's numerous expansions last time i played (about 2 years ago), maybe more work has been done on that front since then. There's also certain iconic series events that can't be reproduced in CK2 mechanics - I don't think there's a way to set up a Red Wedding-type mass betrayal for instance
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May 5, 2019 06:26
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nine-gear crow posted:On its head, no this was not a problem. And they could have slipped out of it very easily if they took the route you mentioned, but instead this was the genesis of the Final Five plot line where it turns out that, no there aren't actually 12 Cylons, there's only seven and the other five were actually a different type of Cylon who created the other seven and a bunch of other stuff that broke the mythology of the show into a bloody mess while it was also in the process of putting up episodes like Hero, Dirty Hands, and The Woman King. Aka "oops, Adama's a secret war criminal", "Tyrol starts a union and this is painted as a bad thing for 90% of the episode" and "The Gang Gets Racist In Space." Yeah I see what you mean about the over arching plan spiraling out of control. Were changes made to it along the way? I would assume something like that would have been written well in advance. Although, I've definitely seen it where a show has to either stretch things out because it is successful, or close it all down in one season. Those episodes you mention were kinda cheesy, but I don't remember them being absolutely terrible or anything. Just the sort of poo poo that shows up in a long running series as filler.
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May 5, 2019 06:35
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Game of Thrones is testament to the magic of what having too much money can do. That's the only legacy of this show. If you have so much money you can build a CGI army of zombies and then post process it so you can barely see anything, you have too much money.
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kcroy posted:Yeah I see what you mean about the over arching plan spiraling out of control. Were changes made to it along the way? I would assume something like that would have been written well in advance. Although, I've definitely seen it where a show has to either stretch things out because it is successful, or close it all down in one season. Those episodes you mention were kinda cheesy, but I don't remember them being absolutely terrible or anything. Just the sort of poo poo that shows up in a long running series as filler. No. They were making poo poo up on the fly. Ron Moore wanted to end the first season with Baltar walking into a pyramid on Kobol, hearing Purple Haze by Jimmy Hendrix playing over a radio and then Dirk Benedict shows up out of nowhere and says "Hello Gaius, I'm God." and then slam cut to credits. And he had to be talked off the ledge by the whole rest of the writers room because he had no idea where that cliffhanger went from there (also Dirk Benedict turned out to be an rear end in a top hat chud, but that's beside the point). Anyway, no. There was no plan, they were flying by the seat of their pants and it caught up to them in the end, badly.
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kcroy posted:Yeah I see what you mean about the over arching plan spiraling out of control. Were changes made to it along the way? I would assume something like that would have been written well in advance. Although, I've definitely seen it where a show has to either stretch things out because it is successful, or close it all down in one season. Those episodes you mention were kinda cheesy, but I don't remember them being absolutely terrible or anything. Just the sort of poo poo that shows up in a long running series as filler. Well, it arose out of a discussion about whether GoT is "really good television" and it seems like the consensus is GoT belongs with Battlestar Galactica and Lost, in the realm of no overarching conclusion, just a strong first couple/few seasons then a slow fade.
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May 5, 2019 06:41
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This guy's rewrite of s8e3 made it ten times better and he only changed a few things. https://youtu.be/k7m6HP95EDM
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May 5, 2019 06:47
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kcroy posted:That is a painful thought. I've come to terms with never reading the ending. But it would suck even more if he really had no idea where some of this stuff was going. Which now that I say it outloud, is clearly 100% true. Why do you think it's taking him so long to finish the books? He's the Chris Claremont of Fantasy authors. He's great planting the seeds for new plots and mysteries but terrible at tying them up.
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PupsOfWar posted:in the show this is correct, yes Also Rickon is still alive in the books.
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Battlestar Galactica gets worse and worse the more you watch and with how it ended up I can't even recommend the parts I liked. I'd tell people to just watch the miniseries but I can't trust them not to enjoy it, remember that there's technically more, and throw on episode 1.
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May 5, 2019 07:33
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nine-gear crow posted:No. They were making poo poo up on the fly. Ron Moore wanted to end the first season with Baltar walking into a pyramid on Kobol, hearing Purple Haze by Jimmy Hendrix playing over a radio and then Dirk Benedict shows up out of nowhere and says "Hello Gaius, I'm God." and then slam cut to credits. And he had to be talked off the ledge by the whole rest of the writers room because he had no idea where that cliffhanger went from there (also Dirk Benedict turned out to be an rear end in a top hat chud, but that's beside the point). That's too bad. I got pretty invested in the story arc, and wasn't really happy with how it ended up. Wish they had put more thought into it. pseudanonymous posted:Well, it arose out of a discussion about whether GoT is "really good television" and it seems like the consensus is GoT belongs with Battlestar Galactica and Lost, in the realm of no overarching conclusion, just a strong first couple/few seasons then a slow fade. BSG and Lost were way loving better imo. But I'll admit I cant be at all unbiased here. It's like trying to objectively critique a porn clip once you realize it's your mom from the 90s. Gianthogweed posted:Why do you think it's taking him so long to finish the books? He's the Chris Claremont of Fantasy authors. He's great planting the seeds for new plots and mysteries but terrible at tying them up. He's a slow loving writer without an editor. I'm not sure he's terrible in "theory" at tying up the plot lines, just that this one is way loving out of control. I mean I'm sure he has scrawled on a pizza box somewhere poo poo like "Dany and Jon gently caress and make babby, then die. The clever and underappreciated Tyrion ( who is in no way how I see myself ) will act as regent. Others killed by dragon glass. Drawn by 3rd eye raven once he moved south of the wall. Raven takes over Bran, but is killed by Arya. Why is magic getting stronger? Don't know not important. Are Gods real? No. Where does power come from? ??? Remember to screen videos of actresses to play part. NB write in a sexy prostitute who tells Theon off!"
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kcroy posted:BSG and Lost were way loving better imo. But I'll admit I cant be at all unbiased here. It's like trying to objectively critique a porn clip once you realize it's your mom from the 90s. I think this is it. I've spoken to a lot of people who didn't read the books and the consistent message was that the show was always good, but season 6 is when it started to get great. I think the show has merit all the way through, it's just not made for the people who actually love this story anymore.
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Gianthogweed posted:Also Rickon is still alive in the books. Rickon last appeared (in person) in a Clash of Kings. In 1998.
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It's really just remarkable how the writing just plummets in quality as soon as the books end. You'd think after so long adapting they'd be somewhat adept at staying on message and writing somewhat similar to the prior four series. But they aren't even close so it must be on purpose.
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Josuke Higashikata posted:It's really just remarkable how the writing just plummets in quality as soon as the books end. I heard from “a guy” that George RR begged them to take a hiatus so he could finish writing his novel and they said that they had no reason to believe if he had not already finished his book that another year would make any difference... Also that George is a complete nightmare to work with and that he deliberately gave them virtually nothing to work with for the final season as revenge for them not taking a hiatus ... pretty much what we already knew.
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Taxenema posted:I heard from “a guy” that George RR begged them to take a hiatus so he could finish writing his novel and they said that they had no reason to believe if he had not already finished his book that another year would make any difference... Well they weren't wrong... I would say all the child actors would've made a long hiatus impossible but they're all in their 20s now anyway.
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I absolutely believe that in every way, but that only really explains how the show's end objectives have swerved off their path, it doesn't explain how basic elements like how the dialogue is written has just gone down the drain entirely. I'd legitimately be shocked if The Winds of Winter is past the half way point with its writing. There's so much poo poo he needs to wrap up and I don't think he'd be satisfied doing it in a way that handwaves it all. Good thing we got that fictionalised history of the Targaryens (part 1) though!!!!
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May 5, 2019 13:55
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Well GRRM sure showed them by releasing the 6th book before season 5 came out.
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Episode 4 is starting to leak. Jaime and Brienne gently caress, Rhaegal gets popped by Euron (video clip of this online), Missandei beheaded by The Mountain, the leaks also seem to substantiate mad queen Dany And there must always be a Lich King
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Josuke Higashikata posted:Episode 4 is starting to leak. Reminder, this thread is a spoiler-tag-free zone. This is the way of the Bad Thread, now and forever.
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All the spoilers that get this episode right indicate that Dany's going to get killed by Jon in the King's Landing throne room and Drogon flies off with her body. eh, I tag in here but not in the spoiler free tv thread but sure, if you want. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSQjz3aYbtY Josuke Higashikata fucked around with this message at 15:44 on May 5, 2019 |
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Josuke Higashikata posted:All the spoilers that get this episode right indicate that Dany's going to get killed by Jon 
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A man does not hide spoilers in the bad thread.
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https://streamable.com/y66q8 Missandei getting a hair cut
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May 5, 2019 15:54
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Some of the people that do the subtitling for other languages are supposedly leaking things. Not all leaks have been correct so
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It's a Thai FB group who haven't leaked the whole thing and they're claiming they also have episode 5 now, with no proof of it yet.
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Josuke Higashikata posted:
beniof and weiss always come off as...not the brightest guys, in all their interviews and behind-the-scenes sections i think they're just dumb remember, these guys were shitposters before somehow lucking into the showrunner job
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anyway missandei getting got before grey worm is a good swerve, didn't see that coming. The past few seasons have been really soft on noncombatant characters. Mad Queen Dany in general would be a good swerve, and it looks like they're doing a good job of setting it up. Emilia Clarke is acting, even! PupsOfWar fucked around with this message at 17:06 on May 5, 2019 |
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May 5, 2019 16:43
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Longclaw uses heart stab. It's super effective. Longclaw is evolving. Congratulations! Longclaw has evolved into Lightbringer!
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PupsOfWar posted:anyway Again this is the Bad Thread FFS. Where was the post with the now-probably-accurate spoilers?
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i wonder how missandei gets captured though??? maybe something to do with alleged jaime betrayal also i wonder what happens to Heartsbane now sam just wandering around giving it to anyone who needs a sword yo gray worm, they got ya girl, hold this sword
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