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lol dude on SCG stream is making his OP on nexus play out the game and just left the table and has the judge sitting in for him while the nexus player continues to play.
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Nexus is fine guys. Not aggravating at all.
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May 5, 2019 16:37
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I can't hate Nexus that much because it isn't Eggs *that* was a loving obnoxious deck
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May 5, 2019 16:41
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Nexus is fine Wilderness Reclamation just needs to be banned
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May 5, 2019 16:52
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Still surprised they didn't just ban it overall instead of just bo1.
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May 5, 2019 17:06
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Tainen posted:lol dude on SCG stream is making his OP on nexus play out the game and just left the table and has the judge sitting in for him while the nexus player continues to play. Great way to get cards banned is to let them ruin coverage.
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May 5, 2019 17:08
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moush posted:Still surprised they didn't just ban it overall instead of just bo1. they only banned in in bo1 because they didn't want it showing up in coverage for the invitational
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May 5, 2019 17:09
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80s James Hetfield posted:Nexus is fine Nope it’s Nexus of Fate, the card that’s not interactable and doesn’t shuffle back in enabling endless turns. Marketing New Brain fucked around with this message at 17:17 on May 5, 2019 |
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May 5, 2019 17:12
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little munchkin posted:they only banned in in bo1 because they didn't want it showing up in coverage for the invitational Yeah, the disconnect required to only ban it in best of 1 is insane. "Well this card completely ruins this format's playability and viewability but somehow not the other format with the same cards and deck construction rules,
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May 5, 2019 17:27
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:What I'm getting from this is that Naya Lightsaber is actually incredibly good and it just revolutionized deck construction paradigms so much that a decade later people still can't handle it. I sincerely do not understand why Naya Lightsaber was a bad deck. Is it because it just wasn't Jund?
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May 5, 2019 17:29
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suicidesteve posted:Yeah, the disconnect required to only ban it in best of 1 is insane. "Well this card completely ruins this format's playability and viewability but somehow not the other format with the same cards and deck construction rules, Eh, in Bo3 at least you can sideboard in combo hate or whatever. Lawnie posted:Great way to get cards banned is to let them ruin coverage. *watches Esper Control mirror match* ban teferi pls
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May 5, 2019 17:49
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Star Man posted:I sincerely do not understand why Naya Lightsaber was a bad deck. Is it because it just wasn't Jund? It played 4 Forests, 4 Sunpetal Grove, 4 Rootbound Crag and a Oran-Rief, the Vastwood, so four untapped turn 1 Green mana sources. It played 4 Wild Nacatl, 4 Noble Hierarch, 1 Scute Mob, so 9 Green 1-drops, plus 4 Bolt 4 Path. It played zero 2-drops, 4 Woolly Thoctar as the only 3 mana cards, eleven 4-drops and four 5 drops. It had a poo poo mana curve made worse by a horrendous manabase.
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May 5, 2019 18:09
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he was also playing a red deck that couldn’t run bituminous blast, blightning, broodmate dragon or terminate. just absolute clownshow of a deck
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May 5, 2019 18:16
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Maybe it's because I've been playing Magic since 1995 and my inner child is freaking out about a four mana 4/5 flier with tremendous benefits but I can't tell if people are ironically over-doing it with insulting Kefnet or what.
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May 5, 2019 18:31
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LifeLynx posted:Maybe it's because I've been playing Magic since 1995 and my inner child is freaking out about a four mana 4/5 flier with tremendous benefits but I can't tell if people are ironically over-doing it with insulting Kefnet or what. Kefnet should not be played in most of the decks playing Kefnet. There may be a shell where Kefnet is good, but it hasn't been found yet.
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May 5, 2019 18:32
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Statement by watanabe's team: http://team-cygames.com/2019/05/05/5897/
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May 5, 2019 18:36
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Hellsau posted:Kefnet should not be played in most of the decks playing Kefnet. There may be a shell where Kefnet is good, but it hasn't been found yet. how do you feel about kefnet as an esper control sideboard card?
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May 5, 2019 18:37
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A big flaming stink posted:how do you feel about kefnet as an esper control sideboard card? If there were a matchup where you wanted God-Eternal just for the recursion clause, then it'd be fine. I don't know what matchup that would be.
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May 5, 2019 18:39
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Hellsau posted:If there were a matchup where you wanted God-Eternal just for the recursion clause, then it'd be fine. I don't know what matchup that would be. Probably the mirror match, right?
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May 5, 2019 18:44
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The only thing Kefnet has going for it is there is almost no 2 mana removal spells that deal with it, because it dodges cast down, lava coil and justice strike. So you don’t get owned by the most played cheap removal. I think Despark and collision are it. What exactly does this do when your opponent plays a small Teferi or big Teferi in response? How about Vivien Reid? Do reclamation decks care about it? I mean yeah sure it’s a good blocker vs mono red but I struggle to find another deck that cares about it, and it is a big tempo negative swing vs the best planes walkers and best removal spell, mortify. It also doesn’t go over the top of Krasis or provide enough power vs reclamation.
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May 5, 2019 18:48
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A Moose posted:Probably the mirror match, right? No. If you tap out for a Kefnet, and the opponent taps out for either Teferi, you now have to spend mana on your turn answering that Teferi. Kefnet is absolutely terrible against Esper. Also, lands are good in the mirror, so if your opponent just kills the Kefnet, your average draw quality actually decreases if you use the recursion ability. ilmucche posted:Statement by watanabe's team: http://team-cygames.com/2019/05/05/5897/ Turns out Yuuya's defense is "the judges are framing me" without actually stating that. Given Yuuya was deck checked in round 14, lost in round 15 and still IDed in, that's the strongest case for his innocence, but man those are some uncomfortable implications for the judging staff. Maybe WotC have high quality recorded footage of Yuuya's feature matches where they can see the closeups of Yuuya's hand/deck to see if there are the markings on those sleeves. Hellsau fucked around with this message at 18:52 on May 5, 2019 |
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May 5, 2019 18:48
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Hellsau posted:No. If you tap out for a Kefnet, and the opponent taps out for either Teferi, you now have to spend mana on your turn answering that Teferi. Kefnet is absolutely terrible against Esper. Also, lands are good in the mirror, so if your opponent just kills the Kefnet, your average draw quality actually decreases if you use the recursion ability. I don't think you'd ever play it on curve, but its a sweet topdeck on turns 10-45 because their removal can't hit your wincon and means they'll deck before you or get beaten to death by it.
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May 5, 2019 18:58
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A Moose posted:I don't think you'd ever play it on curve, but its a sweet topdeck on turns 10-45 because their removal can't hit your wincon and means they'll deck before you or get beaten to death by it. that cool and all but how are you building a deck that is favored in a long game against esper + reclamation decks while still having a critical mass of good cards to hit with kefnet?
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May 5, 2019 19:06
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Hellsau posted:If there were a matchup where you wanted God-Eternal just for the recursion clause, then it'd be fine. I don't know what matchup that would be. you don't like it as an anti-aggro card? Or do you just mean that it should be Enter the God-Eternals instead?
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May 5, 2019 19:12
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A Moose posted:I don't think you'd ever play it on curve, but its a sweet topdeck on turns 10-45 because their removal can't hit your wincon and means they'll deck before you or get beaten to death by it. A single Nexus of Fate would be a better win condition than Kefnet if you're only siding in a win condition for the mirror. End of Turn Nexus, untap cast stuff, untap cast stuff is WAY better than "play a 4/5 and get it killed or just countered forever."
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May 5, 2019 19:16
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LifeLynx posted:Maybe it's because I've been playing Magic since 1995 and my inner child is freaking out about a four mana 4/5 flier with tremendous benefits but I can't tell if people are ironically over-doing it with insulting Kefnet or what. I super feel this. But think of it like this: if it had been printed back then, it'd still get chumped by Terror. Same thing here, except the whole rest of the format is Terror.
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May 5, 2019 20:56
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The gently caress is Arboreal Grazer doing in standard matches
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May 5, 2019 21:03
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:The gently caress is Arboreal Grazer doing in standard matches Not stopping thief of sanity from beating nexus players with their own nexuses (nexii?) that's for sure.
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May 5, 2019 21:11
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:The gently caress is Arboreal Grazer doing in standard matches Blocks thief of sanity and hero from esper midrange and lot of the creatures in rdw/ww. In the matchups light on interaction where you are racing it does it’s job.
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May 5, 2019 21:13
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80s James Hetfield posted:Nexus is fine Nexus of Fate was making garbage infinite loops before RNA.
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May 5, 2019 22:07
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did wotc think the broken part of prophet of kruphix was the p/t?
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May 5, 2019 22:21
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None of the nexus decks made it to the top 8 3x mono red 2x Esper Control 2x Bant Mid 1x Selesnya Tokens
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May 5, 2019 22:26
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Dungeon Ecology posted:did wotc think the broken part of prophet of kruphix was the p/t? Huh? Prophet of Kruphix was never broken...
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May 5, 2019 22:27
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The Shortest Path posted:Huh? Then why is it banned in EDH? Check and mate, nerd! 
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May 5, 2019 22:49
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Hellsau posted:Kefnet should not be played in most of the decks playing Kefnet. There may be a shell where Kefnet is good, but it hasn't been found yet. I mean, this isn't really true. The shell where Kefnet is good (the UB Control/Midrange deck) has already been found. It might also be good in other decks, but it's legitimately really good in that deck. Saying it's bad against Esper is also kinda dumb because having pressure against Esper is extremely important for the UB deck and in the face of Dovin's Veto there really isn't a ton of options. Kefnet dodging a non zero number of removal spells against Esper while also being pretty great against the rest of the format is a good place to be.
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May 5, 2019 23:34
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Kefnet might be cool in a Drakes-style list. Drakes can have issues with running out of threats, which the recursion helps with. And you have lots of spells (like Lightning Strike) where flipping them with Kefnet actually advances your gameplan.
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May 5, 2019 23:35
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Jabor posted:Kefnet might be cool in a Drakes-style list. There's a UB deck with Pteramander, Auger, and Kefnet floating around that's pretty interesting.
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May 5, 2019 23:41
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SCG Day 2 going from all nexus all day to a top 4 with 3 mono red aggro is really satisfying to see
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May 5, 2019 23:45
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People get pretty loving tilted in the meta game challenge when they windmill slam a liliana and then you hit them with a role reversal and a copy of the role reversal. Didn’t even have a chance to wipe their board with her before they conceded. izzet saheeli may not be the best but it’s super fun
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Sampatrick posted:There's a UB deck with Pteramander, Auger, and Kefnet floating around that's pretty interesting. I played against that and it looked fun. Could use more thief, just like every UBx deck.
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